Most Christians accept evolution

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You are trying to read too much into this. It's very simple no religion has met the burden of proof for the existence of any deity.

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No and no
You are trying to read too much into this. It's very simple no religion has met the burden of proof for the existence of any deity.

I wouldn't expect a spiritual being to meet the burden of limited scientific physical proof...c'mon.

Besides, It doesn't matter...I don't have to struggle with the vanity of the deity question anymore. I found something that works for me...the personal evidence is in my life and it's all I need to sustain my faith. I have no reason to deny it. What works for you, doesn't necessarily work for me...and I get the impression that people like you for whatever egotistical reason have the need to feel superior to us for how we cope with life, as if you're doing it "ALL BY MYSELF!"

Nobody does life by their self...

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Christian faith is a scam.

Sure, some people use it to scam others...that's the world we live in. That's human nature for you...I strive for something beyond that. We all know the world shouldn't be what it is today, and it doesn't have to be.

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There is no evidence to support any of the super natural claims and everything it claims to do can be done with out religion or faith in deity.

How would you know what can or cannot be done through faith?

Personally, I don't think I would've seen a reason to change without scripture. Just about everything it teaches about spirituality is in conflict with what I find natural in my carnality. To the natural man scripture is foolishness...one day it just wasn't foolish to me anymore. I saw it from a perspective I've never had before and from then on I've desired spiritual life and haven't turned back since, no way.

People can change with out the Christian faith.

Why shouldn't the world be the way it is?

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No and no
You are trying to read too much into this. It's very simple no religion has met the burden of proof for the existence of any deity.

I wouldn't expect a spiritual being to meet the burden of limited scientific physical proof...c'mon.

Besides, It doesn't matter...I don't have to struggle with the vanity of the deity question anymore. I found something that works for me...the personal evidence is in my life and it's all I need to sustain my faith. I have no reason to deny it. What works for you, doesn't necessarily work for me...and I get the impression that people like you for whatever egotistical reason have the need to feel superior to us for how we cope with life, as if you're doing it "ALL BY MYSELF!"

Nobody does life by their self...

How do you know there is any such thing as spiritualism or spirits?

I don't see any evidence to support any of your claims.

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You are trying to read too much into this. It's very simple no religion has met the burden of proof for the existence of any deity.

OK. What are the actual losses you have experienced as a result of the Christian scam?

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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People can change with out the Christian faith.

Of course...but with christianity, I believe the change is a byproduct of faith, it's not the reason for faith...well, maybe initially, but as one matures in the faith they have a tendency to realize that's it not "all about me."

Evangelicals today seem to embrace the idea of a "man centered" theology where God is viewed as some type of utilitarian genie there to fulfill all of our whims...but I think the healthy approach is a "God centered" theology where it starts with a realization of our own depravity and a true desire to appreciate and establish a spiritual connection/relationship with God who we feel is self evident within us. Now, the repentance and obedience that is necessary to have this connection is what leads to a changed life - sometimes the change is unexpected and nothing as anticipated.

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

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What does it matter? It's still a scam.

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People can change with out the Christian faith.

Of course...but with christianity, I believe the change is a byproduct of faith, it's not the reason for faith...well, maybe initially, but as one matures in the faith they have a tendency to realize that's it not "all about me."

Evangelicals today seem to embrace the idea of a "man centered" theology, but I think the healthy approach is a "God centered" theology where it starts with a realization of our own depravity and a true desire to appreciate and establish a spiritual connection/relationship with God who we feel is self evident within us. Now, the repentance and obedience that is necessary to have this connection is what leads to a changed life, sometimes the change is unexpected and nothing as anticipated.

All I read is blah blah blah.

Give me an example of something that can only be accomplished with the Christian faith and can't be done any other way.

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It's still a scam.

Prove it...is it like some type of secret society conspiracy,? - lol.

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Give me an example of something that can only be accomplished with the Christian faith and can't be done any other way.

Um, heaven...eternal, spiritual life...that's what this is all about, isn't it? It's not so much about "our best life now." I know many christians that have a much more challenging and difficult life after becoming a christian...but hey, it builds character.

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Um, heaven...eternal, spiritual life...that's what this is all about, isn't it?

All imaginary things.

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It's still a scam.

Prove it...is it like some type of secret society conspiracy,? - lol.

There is no evidence to support the supernatural claims of Christianity or any religion. So it is only reasonable to conclude it's a scam.

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What does it matter? It's still a scam.

Has this scam cost you personally?

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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Why would that matter?

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Why would that matter?

It appears you fear a loss of something personal. Has the loss already occurred? Or, do you anticipate a future loss?

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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Why would that matter?

It appears you fear a loss of something personal. Has the loss already occurred? Or, do you anticipate a future loss?

Like I said you are reading way too much into this. It's very simple.

No evidence to support the supernatural claims so I don't believe it.

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Why would that matter?

It appears you fear a loss of something personal. Has the loss already occurred? Or, do you anticipate a future loss?

Like I said you are reading way too much into this. It's very simple.

No evidence to support the supernatural claims so I don't believe it.

OK. I am trying to understand you as a person.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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Um, heaven...eternal, spiritual life...that's what this is all about, isn't it?

All imaginary things.

It's real...there is a God. You will either reject him and spend an eternity in Hell absent from Him (which is what you want, apparently) or you will accept Him and live spiritual life everlasting...it's up to you. That's all I can say...sorry. It is what it is...

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Why would that matter?

It appears you fear a loss of something personal. Has the loss already occurred? Or, do you anticipate a future loss?

Like I said you are reading way too much into this. It's very simple.

No evidence to support the supernatural claims so I don't believe it.

OK. I am trying to understand you as a person.

You already know...I don't like it anymore than you do...

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What is your point? I am not going to get into specifics of what I like or dislike.

OK. The cybernetic message I am perceiving is that you are dealing with power and control issues.

Y'know, of all the obnoxious, asshole like behaviour on this site, pretending to use you counselling experience to diagnose people over the internet just comes across as being the most obnoxious from the biggest asshole.

JMO.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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It's real...there is a God.

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You want to claim that said belief system holds up to rational evaluation? Don't hold your breath.


BSBD,


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And that is the main point, those of us interested in a spiritual life do not use rationality to get there. We are sensitive to the awareness of it. After living a committed spiritual life, we acquire empirical evidence which provides the data for a spiritual rationality.

All any of us spiritual types can do is share. If the recipient is not sensitive to spiritual understanding it cannot be helped.

By engaging in these forums we strengthen our understanding, comfort and peace of mind.

Thank you for your assistance.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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You will either reject him and spend an eternity in Hell absent from Him (which is what you want, apparently) or you will accept Him and live spiritual life everlasting...it's up to you.

I think life eternal would always turn out to be Hell, where ever one would spend it, but if I would have a choice in the matter, I wouldn't spend it with a being that condemns other beings to eternal torture for thought crimes. If you read the bible, Satan is clearly the better, more reasonable guy anyway.

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And that is the main point, those of us interested in a spiritual life do not use rationality to get there. We are sensitive to the awareness of it. After living a committed spiritual life, we acquire empirical evidence which provides the data for a spiritual rationality.

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Considering the bible states that heaven will consist of people singing praises to the Lord 24/7 for the rest of eternity, I will also say that I am not keen hey. Having to deal with it for 3 hours every Sunday was bad enough. I think a lot of people assuming that heaven is going to be a place where they can do things they want and have fun and just be like life version 2. According to the bible they will just be praising, forever and ever and ever. No talking or communicating with anyone/thing else. Just praise...

Sounds pretty similar to eternal torture.