Coreece 190 #776 June 23, 2012 QuoteI do know that the Christian God is a nonsensical figment of the imagination. Nah...you just want to believe that, otherwise you wouldn't spend so much time convincing yourself.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #777 June 23, 2012 QuoteIf there is a God, he/she/it doesn't seem to care about us, or at least not in a way we can understand. Exactly, how can you understand spirituality when it is contrary to flesh? QuoteIt's btw extremely unlikely that the hypothetical God and human beings could understand one another Yes it is, but the good news says that it is possible...That is our hope. Quoteit would be comparable to ants understanding humans, and visa versa. I can understand an ant to a certain extent but a personal relationship won't happen. I see an ant, I observe and see all his effort and hard work. I want him to understand me and my marvel over him. I want him to see things as I do...I want him to acknowledge me as I do him, but he doesn't give a shit, he hardly notices, he just continues on in his vanity. I want him to know that there is more to life - that I actually care...but he can't. He either runs away or continues his work without notice. I must do something supernatural, I must offer him my mind...will he accept or continue to be a pest and steal my picnic basket until I finally crush him?Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #778 June 23, 2012 QuoteNah...you just want to believe that, otherwise you wouldn't spend so much time convincing yourself. It's the other way around, darling. Christianity is so weak, that I started to doubt it when I was 7 years old. I put a lot of time and energy into it to convince myself it was true, but apparently to no avail. SC is entertainment, and religion is fascinating, but in the end I don't really care about the answers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #779 June 23, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteNah...you just want to believe that, otherwise you wouldn't spend so much time convincing yourself. It's the other way around, darling. Not really, maybe it's true for both of us...perhaps that's the difference between good and evil? QuoteChristianity is so weak, that I started to doubt it when I was 7 years old. Maybe that's the problem...adolescence seems to think it knows it all. Quotein the end I don't really care about the answers. sounds like defeat...Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Marinus 0 #780 June 23, 2012 Quoteperhaps that's the difference between good and evil? There's no real correlation between moral behaviour and how religious one is. QuoteMaybe that's the problem...adolescence seems to think it knows it all. Since when is doubting knowing? Between first doubt till complete non-belief, lies a period of two decades, including 15 years in which I was a self-identified Christian. Quotesounds like defeat... But it isn't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,032 #781 June 23, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteHe started as a believer, I think. No full circle here, just what he thinks of as progression. Many intelligent people who were raised by intolerant religious types seem to turn far more forcefully against religion than those who are either not as smart, or who don't have it used as a club in their upbringing. A club is a rotten tool to use on a kid, whether it's physical, emotional or religious. Wendy P. Please note that "intolerant" is the key word here. Intolerance breeds rejection in all walks of life, I would think. Just as the non-believers are demonstrating their severe intolerance of others, so comes the rejection of their POV...regardless of religious beliefs. Right, Catholic bishops should ... All Christians should.... All Christians should... ... If you want to go off in that direction. let's have fun with it.... All professors should be tolerate students failing. Do you do that? Absolutely. If students choose to fail, I accommodate them and give a failing grade.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Shotgun 1 #782 June 23, 2012 Quote Quote I'm a fan of don't know, doesn't matter, don't care Quote So just say this. No need to label yourself in regard to something that you don't care about. There's a label for that too: it's apatheism. Someone else would have to do the labelling there. The truly apathetic person would be too apathetic to label himself. And yes, it seems impossible to have a good classification system. If someone wants to know about my religious/spiritual beliefs, I'd rather discuss specific topics than say, "I'm an atheist," and let them read into that whatever particular generalization they've formed. (At least, this is how I feel now, after years of calling myself an atheist.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Marinus 0 #783 June 23, 2012 Quote Someone else would have to do the labelling there. The truly apathetic person would be too apathetic to label himself. I refer to myself as an agnostic or atheist because it's close enough and it spares me the bother of explaining what apatheism is. I think I sort of fit the profile. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Marinus 0 #784 June 23, 2012 QuoteTrue. Didn't say tolerance = agreement. But you seem to equate it to respect. I'm tolerant of Christianity, but I also recognize the fact that it's a disgusting monstrosity that has strangely diverted from it's usual modus operandi of spreading bigotry, promoting hatred and glorifying violence. This anomaly doesn't make me feel at ease with Christianity, because the religion mutates worse than the HIV-virus and it could easily evolve into something that resembles its usual state, in which "love thy neighbour" doesn't mean that you can't burn old ladies at the stake for frivolous reasons. And since I belong to one of the groups that were traditionally treated in the most depraved ways by Christians, I'm more than happy that the religion is on it's way out where I'm from. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RonD1120 62 #785 June 23, 2012 Quote Right, Catholic bishops should tolerate the coverage of birth control for their employees, All Christians should tolerate gay marriage, and not try to get it banned. All Christians should tolerate abortion on demand, and not try to get it banned. ... I am starting to lean in that direction. My rationale being that only Liberal Secular Humanists will make choices reinforcing those beliefs. Therefore, the Liberals will be reduced by natural attrition. Conservative Christians will not follow those sinful paths and will therefore grow in strength. Evolution in a righteous direction.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RonD1120 62 #786 June 23, 2012 Quote Grace is any good thing we receive that we don't earn or deserve. ... One of my favorites, God is not fair, be grateful.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites stevebabin 0 #787 June 23, 2012 Quote Quote Right, Catholic bishops should tolerate the coverage of birth control for their employees, All Christians should tolerate gay marriage, and not try to get it banned. All Christians should tolerate abortion on demand, and not try to get it banned. ... I am starting to lean in that direction. My rationale being that only Liberal Secular Humanists will make choices reinforcing those beliefs. Therefore, the Liberals will be reduced by natural attrition. Conservative Christians will not follow those sinful paths and will therefore grow in strength. Evolution in a righteous direction. ...beacuse everybody knows that conservative christian girls never have unwanted pregnancies. "Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings." "Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Coreece 190 #788 June 24, 2012 QuoteQuoteperhaps that's the difference between good and evil? There's no real correlation between moral behaviour and how religious one is. Given that my statement was referring to one's intrnal thought process rather than subjective moral behavior, I don't see the relevance here. The art of evil is deceit - Angel of light, white washed tombs and all that jazz...Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #789 June 24, 2012 QuoteThe art of evil is deceit.... I dunno, some pretty evil people have been pretty upfront with it. I can think of one guy who wrote a book all about how he was going to kill 6 million people and folks said, "Ok, that sounds like a plan. Let's go for it." Evil is reading the plan to be an asshole toward your fellow man and going along with it.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Coreece 190 #790 June 24, 2012 QuoteQuoteThe art of evil is deceit.... I dunno, some pretty evil people have been pretty upfront with it. I can think of one guy who wrote a book all about how he was going to kill 6 million people and folks said, "Ok, that sounds like a plan. Let's go for it." Evil is reading the plan to be an asshole toward your fellow man and going along with it. Sure, but what about those who aren't so easy to get to?Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #791 June 24, 2012 This is something I've discussed with a few people before and it made for some interesting conversations, so here goes; We value deception. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but the human race does value deception. Every woman who has put on make-up or had a boob job, every man who has ever responded to it. Every star in Hollywood or product on a shelf. Ever item being advertised . . . All of it. Every person who ever sold a house and didn't disclose the plumbing was bad. Every person who stole a pen from the office supply closet. Every person who ever answered the question, "do these jeans make me look fat?" We all value deception. Every hunter who ever dressed in cammo, baited or used decoys. NATURE values deception. I'm not saying it's right or wrong. I'm just saying the way things are.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites oldwomanc6 54 #792 June 24, 2012 And Satan's best lies were are those that held hold just enough truth to be acceptable. eta for claritylisa WSCR 594 FB 1023 CBDB 9 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Coreece 190 #793 June 24, 2012 ...and?Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #794 June 24, 2012 Quote...and? "Thou Shalt Not Lie" is sort of pointless when it's actually what polite society sort of revolves around and how a hell of a lot of people make their living.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Coreece 190 #795 June 24, 2012 QuoteQuote...and? "Thou Shalt Not Lie" is sort of pointless when it's actually what polite society sort of revolves around and how a hell of a lot of people make there livings. Pretty fucked up, isn't it? But the Law is not pointless...it points to the need for God's grace.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #796 June 24, 2012 Ok, so answer me this one... Of the 10 commandments, how come one of them isn't rape? If I say god's name the wrong way, I'm fucked for eternity, but if I rape somebody that's ok with him?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Coreece 190 #797 June 24, 2012 QuoteOk, so answer me this one... Of the 10 commandments, how come one of them isn't rape? If I say god's name the wrong way, I'm fucked for eternity, but if I rape somebody that's ok with him? Um...I think those are covered under "Thou shalt not steal" or "Thou shalt not commit adultery".Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #798 June 24, 2012 How about slavery? Why does god not care about slaves?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Marinus 0 #799 June 24, 2012 QuotePretty fucked up, isn't it? "Fucked up" would be the state of humanity if we all stopped lying to each other. It's just the way it is, get over it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Marinus 0 #800 June 24, 2012 QuoteWhy does god not care about slaves? I think he usually starts to worry when they don't get up within a couple of days after they're being beaten to a bloody pulp. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 Next Page 32 of 57 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. 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Marinus 0 #780 June 23, 2012 Quoteperhaps that's the difference between good and evil? There's no real correlation between moral behaviour and how religious one is. QuoteMaybe that's the problem...adolescence seems to think it knows it all. Since when is doubting knowing? Between first doubt till complete non-belief, lies a period of two decades, including 15 years in which I was a self-identified Christian. Quotesounds like defeat... But it isn't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,032 #781 June 23, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteHe started as a believer, I think. No full circle here, just what he thinks of as progression. Many intelligent people who were raised by intolerant religious types seem to turn far more forcefully against religion than those who are either not as smart, or who don't have it used as a club in their upbringing. A club is a rotten tool to use on a kid, whether it's physical, emotional or religious. Wendy P. Please note that "intolerant" is the key word here. Intolerance breeds rejection in all walks of life, I would think. Just as the non-believers are demonstrating their severe intolerance of others, so comes the rejection of their POV...regardless of religious beliefs. Right, Catholic bishops should ... All Christians should.... All Christians should... ... If you want to go off in that direction. let's have fun with it.... All professors should be tolerate students failing. Do you do that? Absolutely. If students choose to fail, I accommodate them and give a failing grade.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #782 June 23, 2012 Quote Quote I'm a fan of don't know, doesn't matter, don't care Quote So just say this. No need to label yourself in regard to something that you don't care about. There's a label for that too: it's apatheism. Someone else would have to do the labelling there. The truly apathetic person would be too apathetic to label himself. And yes, it seems impossible to have a good classification system. If someone wants to know about my religious/spiritual beliefs, I'd rather discuss specific topics than say, "I'm an atheist," and let them read into that whatever particular generalization they've formed. (At least, this is how I feel now, after years of calling myself an atheist.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #783 June 23, 2012 Quote Someone else would have to do the labelling there. The truly apathetic person would be too apathetic to label himself. I refer to myself as an agnostic or atheist because it's close enough and it spares me the bother of explaining what apatheism is. I think I sort of fit the profile. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #784 June 23, 2012 QuoteTrue. Didn't say tolerance = agreement. But you seem to equate it to respect. I'm tolerant of Christianity, but I also recognize the fact that it's a disgusting monstrosity that has strangely diverted from it's usual modus operandi of spreading bigotry, promoting hatred and glorifying violence. This anomaly doesn't make me feel at ease with Christianity, because the religion mutates worse than the HIV-virus and it could easily evolve into something that resembles its usual state, in which "love thy neighbour" doesn't mean that you can't burn old ladies at the stake for frivolous reasons. And since I belong to one of the groups that were traditionally treated in the most depraved ways by Christians, I'm more than happy that the religion is on it's way out where I'm from. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #785 June 23, 2012 Quote Right, Catholic bishops should tolerate the coverage of birth control for their employees, All Christians should tolerate gay marriage, and not try to get it banned. All Christians should tolerate abortion on demand, and not try to get it banned. ... I am starting to lean in that direction. My rationale being that only Liberal Secular Humanists will make choices reinforcing those beliefs. Therefore, the Liberals will be reduced by natural attrition. Conservative Christians will not follow those sinful paths and will therefore grow in strength. Evolution in a righteous direction.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #786 June 23, 2012 Quote Grace is any good thing we receive that we don't earn or deserve. ... One of my favorites, God is not fair, be grateful.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevebabin 0 #787 June 23, 2012 Quote Quote Right, Catholic bishops should tolerate the coverage of birth control for their employees, All Christians should tolerate gay marriage, and not try to get it banned. All Christians should tolerate abortion on demand, and not try to get it banned. ... I am starting to lean in that direction. My rationale being that only Liberal Secular Humanists will make choices reinforcing those beliefs. Therefore, the Liberals will be reduced by natural attrition. Conservative Christians will not follow those sinful paths and will therefore grow in strength. Evolution in a righteous direction. ...beacuse everybody knows that conservative christian girls never have unwanted pregnancies. "Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings." "Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #788 June 24, 2012 QuoteQuoteperhaps that's the difference between good and evil? There's no real correlation between moral behaviour and how religious one is. Given that my statement was referring to one's intrnal thought process rather than subjective moral behavior, I don't see the relevance here. The art of evil is deceit - Angel of light, white washed tombs and all that jazz...Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #789 June 24, 2012 QuoteThe art of evil is deceit.... I dunno, some pretty evil people have been pretty upfront with it. I can think of one guy who wrote a book all about how he was going to kill 6 million people and folks said, "Ok, that sounds like a plan. Let's go for it." Evil is reading the plan to be an asshole toward your fellow man and going along with it.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #790 June 24, 2012 QuoteQuoteThe art of evil is deceit.... I dunno, some pretty evil people have been pretty upfront with it. I can think of one guy who wrote a book all about how he was going to kill 6 million people and folks said, "Ok, that sounds like a plan. Let's go for it." Evil is reading the plan to be an asshole toward your fellow man and going along with it. Sure, but what about those who aren't so easy to get to?Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #791 June 24, 2012 This is something I've discussed with a few people before and it made for some interesting conversations, so here goes; We value deception. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but the human race does value deception. Every woman who has put on make-up or had a boob job, every man who has ever responded to it. Every star in Hollywood or product on a shelf. Ever item being advertised . . . All of it. Every person who ever sold a house and didn't disclose the plumbing was bad. Every person who stole a pen from the office supply closet. Every person who ever answered the question, "do these jeans make me look fat?" We all value deception. Every hunter who ever dressed in cammo, baited or used decoys. NATURE values deception. I'm not saying it's right or wrong. I'm just saying the way things are.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldwomanc6 54 #792 June 24, 2012 And Satan's best lies were are those that held hold just enough truth to be acceptable. eta for claritylisa WSCR 594 FB 1023 CBDB 9 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #793 June 24, 2012 ...and?Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #794 June 24, 2012 Quote...and? "Thou Shalt Not Lie" is sort of pointless when it's actually what polite society sort of revolves around and how a hell of a lot of people make their living.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #795 June 24, 2012 QuoteQuote...and? "Thou Shalt Not Lie" is sort of pointless when it's actually what polite society sort of revolves around and how a hell of a lot of people make there livings. Pretty fucked up, isn't it? But the Law is not pointless...it points to the need for God's grace.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #796 June 24, 2012 Ok, so answer me this one... Of the 10 commandments, how come one of them isn't rape? If I say god's name the wrong way, I'm fucked for eternity, but if I rape somebody that's ok with him?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #797 June 24, 2012 QuoteOk, so answer me this one... Of the 10 commandments, how come one of them isn't rape? If I say god's name the wrong way, I'm fucked for eternity, but if I rape somebody that's ok with him? Um...I think those are covered under "Thou shalt not steal" or "Thou shalt not commit adultery".Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #798 June 24, 2012 How about slavery? Why does god not care about slaves?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #799 June 24, 2012 QuotePretty fucked up, isn't it? "Fucked up" would be the state of humanity if we all stopped lying to each other. It's just the way it is, get over it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #800 June 24, 2012 QuoteWhy does god not care about slaves? I think he usually starts to worry when they don't get up within a couple of days after they're being beaten to a bloody pulp. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
