kallend 2,027
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No there isn't. Prove it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-organization
There are plenty of theories for self organization. Thats what this is about a postulate of how random energy and matter can form complex systems.
We are obviously here and something obviously organized matter and energy to get us here. But saying self organization in science and was an inherent part of the primordial soup 13.7 billion years ago is no different that saying "God did it"
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That is a matter of semantics, and in no way implies that the property of matter you call "God" has any supernatural properties, interest in humanity, listens to prayers, or intercedes in our lives in any way.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
maadmax 0
No. As the name implies, "God of the gaps" is a view of God. It basically states that wherever we can't explain something by science, that's where God resides. Assuming we will, in the future, be able to explain it by extensions to science is the opposite of what's known as "God of the gaps."
Yes you are correct, evolution of the gap" is the same thing. A lot of people are putting their faith in the fantasy that some mysterious force organized the universe spontaneously by means of evolution or self organization. The reality they create for themselves uses this belief as a major underpinning for their philosophical framework.
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jakee 1,500
QuoteQuoteLike I said, you got the treatment you asked for
Wrong...I asked that he create a link and post an original thought on the subject for once instead of parroting his faith.
Well, since you suggested he make a link in the most insulting way you could, I'm not wrong in the slightest.
And since he then actually did create a link for you, in response to which you insulted him again before he came up with the ignorance jab that you claim to be responding to all along then you are only strengthening my case.
You got the treatment you asked for, stop whining about it.
Do you want to have an ideagasm?
maadmax 0
That is a matter of semantics, and in no way implies that the property of matter you call "God" has any supernatural properties, interest in humanity, listens to prayers, or intercedes in our lives in any way.
That is a very relevant topic that deserves discussion. But is entirely premature with people who are struggling with the concept that God even exists.
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billvon 3,008
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>Yes you are correct, evolution of the gap" is the same thing.
Well, only if you assume that atheism is the same as religion. (If so, why are you so fervently atheist?)
>A lot of people are putting their faith in the fantasy that some mysterious force
>organized the universe spontaneously by means of evolution or self organization. The
>reality they create for themselves uses this belief as a major underpinning for their
>philosophical framework.
Uh, OK. I've never met such people. Most scientists I know think that forces we understand (gravity, electromagnetism, the strong and weak forces) caused the universe to take the form it has, rather than "some mysterious force." Indeed, the only such people I have ever met who believe such things are religious creationists.
Well, only if you assume that atheism is the same as religion. (If so, why are you so fervently atheist?)
>A lot of people are putting their faith in the fantasy that some mysterious force
>organized the universe spontaneously by means of evolution or self organization. The
>reality they create for themselves uses this belief as a major underpinning for their
>philosophical framework.
Uh, OK. I've never met such people. Most scientists I know think that forces we understand (gravity, electromagnetism, the strong and weak forces) caused the universe to take the form it has, rather than "some mysterious force." Indeed, the only such people I have ever met who believe such things are religious creationists.
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That is a matter of semantics, and in no way implies that the property of matter you call "God" has any supernatural properties, interest in humanity, listens to prayers, or intercedes in our lives in any way.
That is a very relevant topic that deserves discussion. But is entirely premature with people who are struggling with the concept that God even exists.
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I don't know of a single individual involved in this discussion who is struggling with the concept of gods existance.
"Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings."
"Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up."
"Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up."
Other than being an interesting observation, evolution doesn't really offer much information in solving the fundamental questions of our existence and why we are here.
There is no area in the fundamental sciences that can produce a postulate explaining how random matter and energy will spontaneously combine to produce ever more complex life forms. The best argument I hear atheists using to defend "almighty evolution" as the creator and designer of the universe is ," I don't believe in any gods so therefore evolution must be the god of the gaps in explaining how we got here"
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Abiogenesis is a completely different thing than Evolution.
The Big Bang is also unrelated to Evolution.
Evolution is not a secular religion, it's a scientific theory that explains how species change over time.