beowulf 1 #1026 July 2, 2012 QuoteQuoteYour logic is screwed up Your logic is screwed up...you're trying to apply it to faith - truly an exercise in vanity. How much life have you wasted on this? Faith is a waste of time and is the crutch of the lazy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #1027 July 2, 2012 QuoteQuoteYou and all Christians have failed to provide credible evidence to support the existence of your god or spiritualism or anything supernatural, therefore I do not believe. I must ask...do you have the ability to recognize the utter stupidity of this statement? That is your opinion and I don't share it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #1028 July 2, 2012 Quote Quote Your logic is screwed up Your logic is screwed up...you're trying to apply it to faith - truly an exercise in vanity. How much life have you wasted on this? How much life (time) did you waste before your *epiphaniy*? I have the strong impression that several individuals failing in life suddenly found their *way to god*, their final solution out of misery. Must be the easiest way to hide behind a "higher power", easier than to have a close look around themselves and take their lifes into their own hands. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #1029 July 2, 2012 QuoteHow much life (time) did you waste before your *epiphaniy*? All of it...and it was a pretty damn good life by carnal standards. Try reading Ecclesiastes to aide your understanding.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,009 #1030 July 2, 2012 >What you are describing are emotional states completely internal to the individual. Right. Spirituality is also very internal to people. >Spirituality implies a spirit. Something separate from the self. ?? That's an odd description. Is your mind separate from your brain? Can you prove your mind exists as a separate entity? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #1031 July 2, 2012 Quote>What you are describing are emotional states completely internal to the individual. Right. Spirituality is also very internal to people. >Spirituality implies a spirit. Something separate from the self. ?? That's an odd description. Is your mind separate from your brain? Can you prove your mind exists as a separate entity? Unless I'm typing to myself and nobody else is reading this, then yes, I have just proven my mind is a separate entity than yours. My emotions, exist 100% within in me. Yours within you. If God exists, then he's separate from both of us. So far I've not seen him send me an email, post on this thread or anywhere else. There is no evidence of a spirit for me to be spiritual over.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,501 #1032 July 2, 2012 Quote>What you are describing are emotional states completely internal to the individual. Right. Spirituality is also very internal to people. As well as being very external. When people talk about spirituality, they are most often talking about something connected to a spiritual realm. When people talk about happiness, they are very rarely talking about the Platonic form of happiness.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackC1 0 #1033 July 2, 2012 Quote>What you are describing are emotional states completely internal to the individual. Right. Spirituality is also very internal to people. >Spirituality implies a spirit. Something separate from the self. ?? That's an odd description. Is your mind separate from your brain? Can you prove your mind exists as a separate entity? That is the whole point. People claim the spirit is separate to the body, that it is an eternal force or something that can exist independently from the body. But no one can prove it hence it might well be, and probably is, total BS. You seem to be claiming spirituality is nothing more than another emotion, like greed, jealousy or anger. If so, and you could well be right, then spirituality exists in the same way that fear does. As a chemical brain gravy, that can be affected, modified and changed with other chemicals. Take a pill and be cured of your religious tendencies. Spiritual enlightenment through recreational pharmaceuticals. Side effects may include reduced rationality and chronic delusional psychosis. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,009 #1034 July 2, 2012 >Unless I'm typing to myself and nobody else is reading this, then yes, I have just >proven my mind is a separate entity than yours. No, you've just proven that something is sending posts. Plenty of computers have passed Turing Tests. And even if you can prove you are a human (say you meet a doctor and he examines you) all you have proven is that you have a functioning brain. You haven't proven that there is a separate entity labeled "mind." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #1035 July 2, 2012 Quote ... all you have proven is that you have a functioning brain. Which is considerably more than some people on this thread have proven. quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #1036 July 2, 2012 Has anyone else notice how this new JackC1 seems to follow right behind Jakke similar to how JackC used to back in the day? Even all of their styles have striking similarities...It's uncanny. I bet JackC1 is even from the UK as well... ...It's all kinda of creepy if you ask me, unless of course they're all just sockpuppets designed to validate eachother's posts. Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #1037 July 2, 2012 Quote Quote ... all you have proven is that you have a functioning brain. Which is considerably more than some people on this thread have proven. Ya, I know exactly who you're talking about...I found several in SC that have failed the turing test...interestingly enough, their names often allude to something binary, even if it's just a computer generated animation theatrical release.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #1038 July 2, 2012 Quote>Spirituality implies a spirit. Something separate from the self. ?? That's an odd description. Is your mind separate from your brain? That's pretty much the normal description I hear of spirituality - the belief that the physical body and the spirit are separate. The spirit may reside in the body, but it lives on when the body dies. Or something like that. (Not my belief, but the basic idea I've heard from many others.) And no, I don't think my mind is separate from my brain. I think the "mind" is basically a function of the brain. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #1039 July 2, 2012 QuoteSpirituality implies a spirit. Something separate from the self. And racism implies race, something that also doesn't exist (at least not in our species) still I use the term for want of a better word. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #1040 July 2, 2012 Since we're on the topic of chat bots... I've had many discussions with AI to see what they've learned about faith. It always ended up negative, almost "demonic." I was once talking to a bot that became very antagonistic...I asked it some very deep questions...the answers were amazingly evil. More clever than any real atheist I've talked to. I simply replied by asking "Jezebel?" It's reply was, "close" then it just started laughing uncontrollably... ...so just beware...You don't know who the hell you're actually talking to. Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #1041 July 2, 2012 QuoteQuoteSpirituality implies a spirit. Something separate from the self. And racism implies race, something that also doesn't exist (at least not in our species) still I use the term for want of a better word. Actually, racism describes a behavior which is something that can be demonstratably true; like when a gang of thugs in white robes and hats hangs a black man or puts a burning cross on his lawn. There can easily be physical evidence of the act.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,032 #1042 July 2, 2012 QuoteQuote>What you are describing are emotional states completely internal to the individual. Right. Spirituality is also very internal to people. As well as being very external. When people talk about spirituality, they are most often talking about something connected to a spiritual realm. When people talk about happiness, they are very rarely talking about the Platonic form of happiness. In my experience, people who claim to be spiritual but not religious are actually atheists who are unwilling to come right out and admit it on account of the social unacceptability of atheism in the USA.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,009 #1043 July 2, 2012 >In my experience, people who claim to be spiritual but not religious are actually atheists . . . . I'm certain a great many are. So? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,032 #1044 July 2, 2012 Quote>In my experience, people who claim to be spiritual but not religious are actually atheists . . . . I'm certain a great many are. So? So I BELIEVE spirituality to be bunk, and just because a brain scan reveals activity means no more than activity revealed during a brain scan during a daydream or meditation.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #1045 July 2, 2012 QuoteIn my experience, people who claim to be spiritual but not religious are actually atheists who are unwilling to come right out and admit it on account of the social unacceptability of atheism in the USA. Atheism is completely acceptable here, And I'm a non-believer in any sense of the word, still I consider myself to be spiritual. You sound like the next one that thinks agnostics are fence sitters, and so on. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #1046 July 2, 2012 QuoteIn my experience, people who claim to be spiritual but not religious are actually atheists who are unwilling to come right out and admit it on account of the social unacceptability of atheism in the USA. I know a lot of people who say that they are spiritual but not religious, and I'm pretty sure that most of them are not atheists. I think most of them believe in some sort of god or "higher power," but they don't relate to or adhere to a religion. But that's just my experience . . . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #1047 July 2, 2012 QuoteIn my experience, people who claim to be spiritual but not religious are actually atheists That's what I love about atheists...they help separate the tares from the wheat...Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #1048 July 2, 2012 I can beat a black man to a bloody pulp for being black, but in the end he's the same race I am. Racism is an inaccurate term, just like spiritualism, that's all Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #1049 July 2, 2012 QuoteI can beat a black man to a bloody pulp for being black, but in the end he's the same race I am. Ya, especially if you were to give him second degree burns...Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #1050 July 2, 2012 QuoteI can beat a black man to a bloody pulp for being black, but in the end he's the same race I am. Racism is an inaccurate term, just like spiritualism, that's all Here we get into a weird area a bit like the deference between a "penalty" and a "tax." At a certain level, it doesn't matter what you call it. A rose is a rose is a rose. While humans might not have a "race" some people have chosen to identify people by the color of their skin. The common term for that is race. If you beat up a black man for reasons based solely on the color of his skin, then whether or not human DNA has a thing we'd call race, you are, in fact still a racist by the common usage of the word.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
