Did Republicans deliberately crash the US economy?

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any trivial (and objective) analysis of party unity and campaign tactics shows a clear advantage to the Republicans.

Everyone - That really was my point; I was giving credit where credit is due to the national Republican machine for being more skilled and successful political operatives - both in election campaigns and in keeping the opposition (either in Congress or the White House) flummoxed. On the whole, they've got a better A game, most of the time, than the Dems do. I'm saying this from the perspective of a team fan that would like to fire my team's front office and coaching staff because the other guys keep eating their lunch.

Though I'm sure Kelp's analysis certainly is trivial and clear to you guys. I'm sure an objective look would show both teams are very practiced.

What's really sad is the level of discourse the two teams use. It's a real indicator that either the average customer is really juvenile, or they THINK the average customer is really juvenile.

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any trivial (and objective) analysis of party unity and campaign tactics shows a clear advantage to the Republicans.

Everyone - That really was my point; I was giving credit where credit is due to the national Republican machine for being more skilled and successful political operatives - both in election campaigns and in keeping the opposition (either in Congress or the White House) flummoxed. On the whole, they've got a better A game, most of the time, than the Dems do. I'm saying this from the perspective of a team fan that would like to fire my team's front office and coaching staff because the other guys keep eating their lunch.

Seems a bit off to me given the fact of which party has controled congress the most in the last 50 years

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Andy9o8 2]

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any trivial (and objective) analysis of party unity and campaign tactics shows a clear advantage to the Republicans.

Everyone - That really was my point; I was giving credit where credit is due to the national Republican machine for being more skilled and successful political operatives - both in election campaigns and in keeping the opposition (either in Congress or the White House) flummoxed. On the whole, they've got a better A game, most of the time, than the Dems do. I'm saying this from the perspective of a team fan that would like to fire my team's front office and coaching staff because the other guys keep eating their lunch.

Seems a bit off to me given the fact of which party has controled congress the most in the last 50 years

It's really been a new game since the Reagan era. First, the GOP started its incremental success in beginning to regain power in Congress during the Reagan administration, and they've done quite well at it over the past 30 years. Second, not only are Repubs better and more successful at legislative and parliamentary politics than the Dems are when they're in the majority, they're better and more successful at it when they're in the minority. To use a hockey metaphor, not only are the Repubs better at the power play, they're better at the penalty kill.

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any trivial (and objective) analysis of party unity and campaign tactics shows a clear advantage to the Republicans.

Everyone - That really was my point; I was giving credit where credit is due to the national Republican machine for being more skilled and successful political operatives - both in election campaigns and in keeping the opposition (either in Congress or the White House) flummoxed. On the whole, they've got a better A game, most of the time, than the Dems do. I'm saying this from the perspective of a team fan that would like to fire my team's front office and coaching staff because the other guys keep eating their lunch.

Seems a bit off to me given the fact of which party has controled congress the most in the last 50 years

First, the GOP started its incremental success in beginning to regain power in Congress during the Reagan administration. Second, not only are Repubs better and more successful at legislative and parliamentary politics than the Dems are when they're in the majority, they're better and more successful at it when they're in the minority. To use a hockey metaphor, not only are the Repubs better at the power play, they're better at the penalty kill.

Some of whay you say, well yes, I would agree

But only because they have had the most practice givne the medial love afair keeping the dems asses in power

And the one time (in my life time) they had the power, they fucked away the chance to make a differnce

Stil, for the most part, I disagree with you

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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It's really been a new game since the Reagan era. First, the GOP started its incremental success in beginning to regain power in Congress during the Reagan administration, and they've done quite well at it over the past 30 years. Second, not only are Repubs better and more successful at legislative and parliamentary politics than the Dems are when they're in the majority, they're better and more successful at it when they're in the minority. To use a hockey metaphor, not only are the Repubs better at the power play, they're better at the penalty kill.

put more simplistically, Pelosi is as close as the Democrats get to a powerful leader, dating back to when she was acting as the Whip. And we're talking about the head of what should be the most powerful state delegation based on numbers, but is routinely outmatched by the Texan delegation.

As Andy writes, compare how successful Pelosi's House was in 2007 trying to force Bush to do anything, vs the GOP success against Clinton and Obama in their first two years where they had majorities and close to or at 60 Senators in the Senate? Then look at how well Reagan and Bush did in getting the Democrat to play along with their platforms...

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It's really been a new game since the Reagan era. First, the GOP started its incremental success in beginning to regain power in Congress during the Reagan administration, and they've done quite well at it over the past 30 years. Second, not only are Repubs better and more successful at legislative and parliamentary politics than the Dems are when they're in the majority, they're better and more successful at it when they're in the minority. To use a hockey metaphor, not only are the Repubs better at the power play, they're better at the penalty kill.

put more simplistically, Pelosi is as close as the Democrats get to a powerful leader, dating back to when she was acting as the Whip. And we're talking about the head of what should be the most powerful state delegation based on numbers, but is routinely outmatched by the Texan delegation.

As Andy writes, compare how successful Pelosi's House was in 2007 trying to force Bush to do anything, vs the GOP success against Clinton and Obama in their first two years where they had majorities and close to or at 60 Senators in the Senate? Then look at how well Reagan and Bush did in getting the Democrat to play along with their platforms...

The last Democratic Congressional leader worth a shit was House Speaker Tip O'Neill in the early 80's. Before him, the last one was Senate Majority Leader Lyndon Johnson in the 1950's, for god's sake. In terms of skill and effectiveness, Pelosi is like a Little League Coach compared to someone like Newt Gingrich - an evil fucking asshole if ever there was once; but damn, he was good at what he did when in his prime.

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No.

Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

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No.

Matt

Yes they did. The facts are irrefutable, if you give a shit about factual information.

Based on your response of "No" to the question, there are two options. One is that you are factually challenged and will not cure that condition. The other is that the corporate media is so overwhelming you with misinformation that you simply can't sort out the truth from the half truths, outright lies, and tiny amount of fact that is presented to you.

Either way, you are 100% wrong. How do you explain the rescumlicans holding up the highway bill? The bills that have, until 2009, passed without issue, with both democrat and republicans voting "yes". If the highway bill doesn't pass, about 1.8 million people will be thrown out of work, onto the unemployment line.

If you think that isn't one facet of the deliberate intent to crash the economy, what do you call it?

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The Republicans no more Crashed the economy alone, than the Democrats.

So the answer to Kallend's question is the same. Now, if he asks if the Republicans were equally to blame with the Democrats, then the answer is, Yes.

You only mention the House (currently controlled by the Republicans) but not the Senate (still currently controlled by the Democrats).

Both parties are failures, to have faith on one of the other as the "fix" for the problem THEY caused TOGETHER, is naive or down right dishonest.

You hate Conservatives, and conversely the Republicans, I get it. But that hatred makes debate with you impossible, since the opposition to you is "always wrong", even, if not.

You should hate both parties equally, like I do, makes it easier to debate the truth, since the party line is not one you will have to follow.

Matt

(isn't the "corporate media" part of the Democrats propaganda team? )

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

[rushmc 23]

No
Obama did/is

http://www.wnd.com/2012/06/obama-tied-to-architect-of-u-s-collapse/

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Frances Fox Piven, co-architect of a strategy to overload the U.S. welfare system to precipitate a transformative economic crisis, was an early builder of the socialist-leaning New Party.

Scores of other New Party activists, meanwhile, have been tied to President Obama.

The now-defunct controversial third party is coming under increased scrutiny after new information further indicates Obama was a New Party member.

The New Party sought to elect members to public office with the aim of moving the Democratic Party far leftward to ultimately form a new political party with a socialist agenda.

In 2008, Obama’s campaign denied the president was ever a member amid reports, including from WND, citing the New Party’s own literature listing Obama as a member

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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No
Obama did/is

http://www.wnd.com/2012/06/obama-tied-to-architect-of-u-s-collapse/

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Frances Fox Piven, co-architect of a strategy to overload the U.S. welfare system to precipitate a transformative economic crisis, was an early builder of the socialist-leaning New Party.

Scores of other New Party activists, meanwhile, have been tied to President Obama.

The now-defunct controversial third party is coming under increased scrutiny after new information further indicates Obama was a New Party member.

The New Party sought to elect members to public office with the aim of moving the Democratic Party far leftward to ultimately form a new political party with a socialist agenda.

In 2008, Obama’s campaign denied the president was ever a member amid reports, including from WND, citing the New Party’s own literature listing Obama as a member

I take it that the tinfoil hat needs a tuneup...

There must be instructions available via a google search.

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No
Obama did/is

http://www.wnd.com/2012/06/obama-tied-to-architect-of-u-s-collapse/

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Frances Fox Piven, co-architect of a strategy to overload the U.S. welfare system to precipitate a transformative economic crisis, was an early builder of the socialist-leaning New Party.

Scores of other New Party activists, meanwhile, have been tied to President Obama.

The now-defunct controversial third party is coming under increased scrutiny after new information further indicates Obama was a New Party member.

The New Party sought to elect members to public office with the aim of moving the Democratic Party far leftward to ultimately form a new political party with a socialist agenda.

In 2008, Obama’s campaign denied the president was ever a member amid reports, including from WND, citing the New Party’s own literature listing Obama as a member

I take it that the tinfoil hat needs a tuneup...

There must be instructions available via a google search.

Hey
I am just following your lead!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SkyDekker 1,465]

Yes you did always strike me as a bit of a follower

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Yes you did always strike me as a bit of a follower

It is an art

you should learn it

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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That's the single most repugnant piece of bullshit I have seen in this forum. Some of us have lost family and close friends in Afghanistan.

Rejoiced? You need to think before you say stupid fucking shit.

You need to read what he was replying to.... The title of this thread.

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That's the single most repugnant piece of bullshit I have seen in this forum. Some of us have lost family and close friends in Afghanistan.

Rejoiced? You need to think before you say stupid fucking shit.

You need to read what he was replying to.... The title of this thread.

Why? The Republicans want Pakistani children to contract polio.

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That's the single most repugnant piece of bullshit I have seen in this forum. Some of us have lost family and close friends in Afghanistan.

Rejoiced? You need to think before you say stupid fucking shit.

You need to read what he was replying to.... The title of this thread.

Why? The Republicans want Pakistani children to contract polio.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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That's the single most repugnant piece of bullshit I have seen in this forum. Some of us have lost family and close friends in Afghanistan.

Rejoiced? You need to think before you say stupid fucking shit.

You need to read what he was replying to.... The title of this thread.

Why? The Republicans want Pakistani children to contract polio.

What is that funny?

dudeist skydiver # 3105

[rushmc 23]

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That's the single most repugnant piece of bullshit I have seen in this forum. Some of us have lost family and close friends in Afghanistan.

Rejoiced? You need to think before you say stupid fucking shit.

You need to read what he was replying to.... The title of this thread.

Why? The Republicans want Pakistani children to contract polio.

What is that funny?

Do you know the story to which he was replying?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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The Republicans no more Crashed the economy alone, than the Democrats.

So the answer to Kallend's question is the same. Now, if he asks if the Republicans were equally to blame with the Democrats, then the answer is, Yes.

You only mention the House (currently controlled by the Republicans) but not the Senate (still currently controlled by the Democrats).

Both parties are failures, to have faith on one of the other as the "fix" for the problem THEY caused TOGETHER, is naive or down right dishonest.

You hate Conservatives, and conversely the Republicans, I get it. But that hatred makes debate with you impossible, since the opposition to you is "always wrong", even, if not.

You should hate both parties equally, like I do, makes it easier to debate the truth, since the party line is not one you will have to follow.

Matt

(isn't the "corporate media" part of the Democrats propaganda team? )

Nailed it! Gotta love the equal opportunity political haters!

Both Re-Pukes & Dem-Dummies holding office have one single purpose...to keep their job.

[rushmc 23]

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The Republicans no more Crashed the economy alone, than the Democrats.

So the answer to Kallend's question is the same. Now, if he asks if the Republicans were equally to blame with the Democrats, then the answer is, Yes.

You only mention the House (currently controlled by the Republicans) but not the Senate (still currently controlled by the Democrats).

Both parties are failures, to have faith on one of the other as the "fix" for the problem THEY caused TOGETHER, is naive or down right dishonest.

You hate Conservatives, and conversely the Republicans, I get it. But that hatred makes debate with you impossible, since the opposition to you is "always wrong", even, if not.

You should hate both parties equally, like I do, makes it easier to debate the truth, since the party line is not one you will have to follow.

Matt

(isn't the "corporate media" part of the Democrats propaganda team? )

Nailed it! Gotta love the equal opportunity political haters!

Both Re-Pukes & Dem-Dummies holding office have one single purpose...to keep their job.

And increase their own power and wealth

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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And increase their own power and wealth

That is what a capitalist is supposed to do.

Are politicians not allowed to make money? Why are you so jealous of politicians?

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Why are you so jealous of politicians?

I wish I had the power to vote my self a pay raise.....

"There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
Life, the Universe, and Everything

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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I wish I had the power to vote my self a pay raise.....

Own your own business or get voted into office. You are free to try both if you are capable enough.

[rushmc 23]

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I wish I had the power to vote my self a pay raise.....

Own your own business or get voted into office. You are free to try both if you are capable enough.

I might

As soon as Obama and the Dems have less power

When that happens all small businesses will have a better success rate

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln