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>The 'gun show loophole' is when Bob sets up a table at a gunshow to sell
>beef jerky and wants to sell his personal weapon he no longer needs. He
>is not in the business to feel that one gun, he is in the business to sell
>jerky and wants to sell his personal weapon since he knows a bunch of
>buyers will be there. It is NO different than him putting an ad in the local
>paper and selling his personal weapon to you at his house.

Right - but it is still selling a gun at a gun show.

I make a lot of beer. I give some of it away. If I ever tried to sell it I'd be lucky to avoid fines and/or getting arrested - because it's illegal to sell alcohol without a license, and it's illegal to make it for sale without following all the requirements for operating a business, making a food product, labeling the beer appropriately etc.

And that would be true whether I tried to open a bar, rolled a keg into a gun show and sold it for $1 a cup or even just put out a few "personal bottles" I wanted to sell. And believe me people try - many homebrewer meetings have hours-long discussions over dodges like "OK, if I just sell T-shirts and give people a free beer for buying a shirt, isn't that OK?" And the answer is always no.

It doesn't make a whole lot of sense that gun laws should be more lax than beer laws, with even more ways to get around them.

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Right - but it is still selling a gun at a gun show.



But by law it is no different than selling a personal weapon in my house.

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I make a lot of beer. I give some of it away. If I ever tried to sell it I'd be lucky to avoid fines and/or getting arrested - because it's illegal to sell alcohol without a license



It is also illegal to sell guns without a license. But it is NOT illegal to sell a personally owned gun without a license.

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It doesn't make a whole lot of sense that gun laws should be more lax than beer laws, with even more ways to get around them.



Then maybe the beer laws should be more like gun laws?

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But by law it is no different than selling a personal weapon in my house.



I think you missed Bill's point that by law it is illegal to sell beer in your house.



Here's a story problem...

I bought a case of beer the other night for $18...I gave half to my uncle and he gave me $9. How long will it take for the ATF to raid my house?
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But by law it is no different than selling a personal weapon in my house.



I think you missed Bill's point that by law it is illegal to sell beer in your house.



alcohol has regulations around it that are just as uptight as gun sales. Add in Prohibition and various blues laws and the hunger for taxes and it's quite a mess.

If you overbuy for a party (or wedding), you can't return the excess...that would make you a distributor. Though somehow people are able to sell wine, either on consignment or directly. Wonder how legal that is.

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I bought a case of beer the other night for $18...I gave half to my uncle and he gave me $9. How long will it take for the ATF to raid my house?



part 2 - How do you think the rainforests FEEL about dying so that grain can be grown for corporate liquor sales? Please note your preferences. Spelling is not important if you try hard.

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But by law it is no different than selling a personal weapon in my house.



I think you missed Bill's point that by law it is illegal to sell beer in your house.


alcohol has regulations around it that are just as uptight as gun sales. Add in Prohibition and various blues laws and the hunger for taxes and it's quite a mess.

If you overbuy for a party (or wedding), you can't return the excess...that would make you a distributor. Though somehow people are able to sell wine, either on consignment or directly. Wonder how legal that is.


I always thought it was strange that in my county you cannot buy liquor on Sunday and take it home to drink in the safety of your house (only beer and wine). But you can go to a bar for a few hours, drinking any kind of drink you want, and then drive home shitfaced. :S

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there are two major hold ups to fixing what is called the loophole

1 the NICS system runs on a small staff on weekends. Weekends are when most gun shows are held. Those wanting to fix the loopholes do not want to fix the NICS issue
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I thought it was all a computerized database? Do you mean it is not and there is not a staff person there for the gun show people to talk to? Or is the database so bad that they can't keep it running with a minimal IT support crew?



It is

But I did not go far enough with the info

The NICS data base is only available to licenced sellers. Those wishing to sell privatley have no access to the system

The other issue it is crashes frequently
Not sure what level of IT support is needed to get past this



Well, Mr. Little, did the sky fall in the 17 states (including your own) that have to some degree or other closed the loophole?
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there are two major hold ups to fixing what is called the loophole

1 the NICS system runs on a small staff on weekends. Weekends are when most gun shows are held. Those wanting to fix the loopholes do not want to fix the NICS issue
{/reply]

I thought it was all a computerized database? Do you mean it is not and there is not a staff person there for the gun show people to talk to? Or is the database so bad that they can't keep it running with a minimal IT support crew?



It is

But I did not go far enough with the info

The NICS data base is only available to licenced sellers. Those wishing to sell privatley have no access to the system

The other issue it is crashes frequently
Not sure what level of IT support is needed to get past this



Well, Mr. Little, did the sky fall in the 17 states (including your own) that have to some degree or other closed the loophole?



Seems you gotta get snarky to feel good about yourself huh

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Well, Mr. Little, did the sky fall in the 17 states (including your own) that have to some degree or other closed the loophole?



wrong question. Was the sky falling in the other 33, and did this change make a lick of difference, other than inconveniencing the people?

Shall we compare crime rates in Illinois, CA, NY to those 33? I notice you're no long so eager to compare Chicago to X anymore.

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Well, Mr. Little, did the sky fall in the 17 states (including your own) that have to some degree or other closed the loophole?



wrong question. Was the sky falling in the other 33, and did this change make a lick of difference, other than inconveniencing the people?

Shall we compare crime rates in Illinois, CA, NY to those 33? I notice you're no long so eager to compare Chicago to X anymore.



Well, the mayor did order the gangs to leave the children alone.

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Let the idiotic lawsuits begin:

Brown's attorney plans to target three defendants -- the theater, doctors who the attorney says gave the shooting suspect several medications and the movie studio that made "The Dark Knight Rises."

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/31298006/detail.html

attacking the movie studio wouldn't be valid, as the nutter had not seen the movie yet, therefore had not been influenced by the movie :S
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Let the idiotic lawsuits begin:

Brown's attorney plans to target three defendants -- the theater, doctors who the attorney says gave the shooting suspect several medications and the movie studio that made "The Dark Knight Rises."

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/31298006/detail.html

attacking the movie studio wouldn't be valid, as the nutter had not seen the movie yet, therefore had not been influenced by the movie :S


I can't see the theater being liable either, unless the angle is to show they didn't enforce their rules with detectors and security, thus endangering the patrons.

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Let the idiotic lawsuits begin:

Brown's attorney plans to target three defendants -- the theater, doctors who the attorney says gave the shooting suspect several medications and the movie studio that made "The Dark Knight Rises."

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/31298006/detail.html

attacking the movie studio wouldn't be valid, as the nutter had not seen the movie yet, therefore had not been influenced by the movie :S


You should have been a lawyer!
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Let the idiotic lawsuits begin:
Brown's attorney plans to target three defendants -- the theater, doctors who the attorney says gave the shooting suspect several medications and the movie studio that made "The Dark Knight Rises."
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/31298006/detail.html

attacking the movie studio wouldn't be valid, as the nutter had not seen the movie yet, therefore had not been influenced by the movie :S


You don't sue them for making this movie. You sue them for making the one with Heath Ledger.
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You don't sue them for making this movie. You sue them for making the one with Heath Ledger.



The one with Heath should be awarded for being an excellent and powerful movie. (agree, suing them is a nuisance lawsuit and hopefully will be thrown out completely)

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You don't sue them for making this movie. You sue them for making the one with Hehath Ledger.


The one with Heath should be awarded for being an excellent and powerful movie. (agree, suing them is a nuisance lawsuit and hopefully will be thrown out completely)



Agreed on all accounts, but if you wanted to apply any, even vague, logic to the lawsuit, you'd probably want to "blame" the film that gave the shooter the idea of being "The Joker."
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I think you missed Bill's point that by law it is illegal to sell beer in your house.



I think you missed the point that I was talking about the so called 'loophole'

But looking at Bill's point.... Still not the same. See he is CREATING beer. It is illegal for me to MAKE a weapon for sale without a license.

So:
* It is illegal to make beer for sale without a license.
* It is illegal to make a firearm for sale without a license.

* It is legal for me to make beer without a license if it is for personal consumption.
* It is legal for me to make a firearm for myself.

But there are taxes to make a weapon, not to make beer.

Further:
* It is legal for me to make beer to GIVE it away.
* It is ILLEGAL for me to make firearms to give them away.

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I can't see the theater being liable either, unless the angle is to show they didn't enforce their rules with detectors and security, thus endangering the patrons.



Bingo..... When they do not allow people to protect themselves, they take on the added responsibility of protecting them to a higher standard.

I am for gun free areas..... As long as EVERYONE has to pass through a metal detector and there are armed guards at each entry and exit point. Without that.... they just make the area a soft target.

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Still not the same. See he is CREATING beer. It is illegal for me to MAKE a weapon for sale without a license.



Lol

*It is illegal to sell beer in a private sale.
*It is legal to sell a firearm in a private sale.

(In the end they are different products, most people understand that different products can be treated differently)

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Lol

*It is illegal to sell beer in a private sale.
*It is legal to sell a firearm in a private sale.

(In the end they are different products, most people understand that different products can be treated differently)



Then maybe you should ask Bill why he used it as an example?

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You don't sue them for making this movie. You sue them for making the one with Heath Ledger.



The one with Heath should be awarded for being an excellent and powerful movie. (agree, suing them is a nuisance lawsuit and hopefully will be thrown out completely)



Actually, the only good parts of that movie were the ones where Heath was in the scene. The rest of the movie was a crashing bore.

OK, now the story gets juicy: http://www.tmz.com/2012/07/25/james-holmes-prostitutes/
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nuts



+1, a senseless tragedy.



And regardless of this person’s religious or political leanings, in the end, he is just disturbed.....

Period.....



Right, we need to do a FAR BETTER JOB keeping guns out of the hands of nutcases.

Good job all those CCW holders were around to prevent this.



Just one man carrying a Ninja Glock would have made all the difference. The Perp wouldn't have stood a chance against a have a go hero Xbox Veteran, if they were equipped with a Ninja Glock.

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