ryoder 1,590 #451 July 26, 2012 Swell, the nutter sent a notebook to the university detailing what he was to do: http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/news/national/official-package-at-university-mail-room-apparently-sent-by-colorado-suspect Glad I'm not his defense attorney. "There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #452 July 27, 2012 QuoteThen maybe you should ask Bill why he used it as an example? Why would I do that? He explains it in the last line of that post. He believes (and I agree with him) that regulations pertaining to the purchase of guns should not be less lax than those pertaining to beer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davjohns 1 #453 July 27, 2012 While I can relate to this position, I would maintain that there shouldn't be any regulation of beer. I don't even like beer. I just prefer less government intervention in individual decisions.I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #454 July 27, 2012 QuoteWhile I can relate to this position, I would maintain that there shouldn't be any regulation of beer. I don't even like beer. I just prefer less government intervention in individual decisions. Agreed and i dont think beer is mentioned in our rights"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #455 July 27, 2012 QuoteQuoteThen maybe you should ask Bill why he used it as an example? Why would I do that? He explains it in the last line of that post. He believes (and I agree with him) that regulations pertaining to the purchase of guns should not be less lax than those pertaining to beer. Which amemendment in the Constitution mentions beer?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #456 July 27, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Then maybe you should ask Bill why he used it as an example? Why would I do that? He explains it in the last line of that post. He believes (and I agree with him) that regulations pertaining to the purchase of guns should not be less lax than those pertaining to beer. Which amemendment in the Constitution mentions beer? the one that says anything not specifically/directly mentioned as being protected is to be implied - that one that or the one about prohibition - either way ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #457 July 27, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Quote Then maybe you should ask Bill why he used it as an example? Why would I do that? He explains it in the last line of that post. He believes (and I agree with him) that regulations pertaining to the purchase of guns should not be less lax than those pertaining to beer. Which amemendment in the Constitution mentions beer? the one that says anything not specifically/directly mentioned as being protected is to be implied - that one that or the one about prohibition - either way yaaaa, rrriiiiiiiggghhhttt"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #458 July 27, 2012 QuoteWhich amemendment in the Constitution mentions beer? The first one obviously. What kind of skydiver are you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #459 July 27, 2012 QuoteQuoteWhich amemendment in the Constitution mentions beer? The first one obviously. What kind of skydiver are you? That's not in the First Amendment! It's in the Declaration of Alcohol Dependence.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #460 July 27, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Which amemendment in the Constitution mentions beer? The first one obviously. What kind of skydiver are you? That's not in the First Amendment! It's in the Declaration of Alcohol Dependence. When I started skydiving the first jump course was $100 and a case of beer. (1979 static line course) First free fall was a case of beer First dock was a case of beer (all plus all jump costs were still to be paid of course) So I agree with him"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #461 July 28, 2012 Getting back to the point: www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/28/us-usa-shooting-denver-thirdfuneral-idUSBRE86Q19720120728... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #462 July 28, 2012 Quote Getting back to the point: www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/28/us-usa-shooting-denver-thirdfuneral-idUSBRE86Q19720120728 And?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyMarko 1 #463 July 28, 2012 Has it been established in the thread that his mom was NOT aware and that ABC news took her phone interview out of context? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #464 July 28, 2012 QuoteQuote Getting back to the point: www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/28/us-usa-shooting-denver-thirdfuneral-idUSBRE86Q19720120728 And? Still yet another nutter goes on a murderous rampage with a GUN. Not a swimming pool, not a knife, but a GUN. It's not like its an unusual occurrence in the US of A. is it?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #465 July 28, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuote Getting back to the point: www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/28/us-usa-shooting-denver-thirdfuneral-idUSBRE86Q19720120728 And? Still yet another nutter goes on a murderous rampage with a GUN. Not a swimming pool, not a knife, but a GUN. It's not like its an unusual occurrence in the US of A. is it? So, your solution is?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #466 July 28, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote Getting back to the point: www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/28/us-usa-shooting-denver-thirdfuneral-idUSBRE86Q19720120728 And? Still yet another nutter goes on a murderous rampage with a GUN. Not a swimming pool, not a knife, but a GUN. It's not like its an unusual occurrence in the US of A. is it? So, your solution is? Get people like you to stop giving just lip service and quit reflexively opposing every suggestion to fix the problem.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CSpenceFLY 1 #467 July 28, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote Getting back to the point: www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/28/us-usa-shooting-denver-thirdfuneral-idUSBRE86Q19720120728 And? Still yet another nutter goes on a murderous rampage with a GUN. Not a swimming pool, not a knife, but a GUN. It's not like its an unusual occurrence in the US of A. is it? So, your solution is? Get people like you to stop giving just lip service and quit reflexively opposing every suggestion to fix the problem. You can have my guns after I flip out and kill someone or someone kills me . Excluding self defense of course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #468 July 28, 2012 Quote Getting back to the point: www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/28/us-usa-shooting-denver-thirdfuneral-idUSBRE86Q19720120728 It appears that the psychiatrist either does not know what she is doing in her profession, or she was complacent in her job failing to diagnose the accused. Either way it's not a vote of confidence for her abilities working as a psychiatrist around young and impressionable minds. However maybe just maybe, in her defense, she was doing her job and the accused simply hid his violent dark side whenever the two met. One thing that is not know at this time (if you had actually read the article you were so happy to include here) is "It can not be ascertained if Ms Fenton was caring for Mr Holmes under a threat-assessment program or if he was under routine counseling Ms Fenton provided to students on campus". Until this question can be answered, the media is rather premature with their assumptions that Mr Holmes was seeing a shrink as opposed to possibly interacting with a school counselor. Clearly the man is evil, no doubt about that. But we still do not know if he hid his evil dark side or if these so called experts really do not know what they are doing. News at eleven ... Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #469 July 28, 2012 Quote One thing that is not know at this time (if you had actually read the article you were so happy to include here) is "It can not be ascertained if Ms Fenton was caring for Mr Holmes under a threat-assessment program or if he was under routine counseling Ms Fenton provided to students on campus". Until this question can be answered, the media is rather premature with their assumptions that Mr Holmes was seeing a shrink as opposed to possibly interacting with a school counselor. "Routine" school counseling is generally given by psychologists, not psychiatrists.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #470 July 28, 2012 Quote"Routine" school counseling is generally given by psychologists, not psychiatrists. The question remains, did Mr Holmes hide his evil dark side from Ms Fenton or is she just incompetent? Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #471 July 28, 2012 Well, as soon as the anti-gun bloviates come up with something other than spouting stupid talking points (like the lip service line) a conversation can be had. Until then, please, continue"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #472 July 28, 2012 QuoteQuote One thing that is not know at this time (if you had actually read the article you were so happy to include here) is "It can not be ascertained if Ms Fenton was caring for Mr Holmes under a threat-assessment program or if he was under routine counseling Ms Fenton provided to students on campus". Until this question can be answered, the media is rather premature with their assumptions that Mr Holmes was seeing a shrink as opposed to possibly interacting with a school counselor. "Routine" school counseling is generally given by psychologists, not psychiatrists. Maybe not in all schools , or with a school making a few financial decisions, like multi tasking their employees. Lets see what they say. MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #473 July 28, 2012 >did Mr Holmes hide his evil dark side from Ms Fenton or is she just incompetent? Why does it have to be one or the other? She may have been treating him for a serious problem, but per the law until he makes a "serious threat of imminent physical violence against a specific person or persons" she does not have to take any action. He may have said he wants to kill someone but not named a target; he may have just come across as violent and unstable but never told her his plans. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #474 July 29, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuote One thing that is not know at this time (if you had actually read the article you were so happy to include here) is "It can not be ascertained if Ms Fenton was caring for Mr Holmes under a threat-assessment program or if he was under routine counseling Ms Fenton provided to students on campus". Until this question can be answered, the media is rather premature with their assumptions that Mr Holmes was seeing a shrink as opposed to possibly interacting with a school counselor. "Routine" school counseling is generally given by psychologists, not psychiatrists. Maybe not in all schools , or with a school making a few financial decisions, like multi tasking their employees. Lets see what they say. Matt I suggest you look up to see what the relative pay and roles of psychiatrists vs psychologists are. Psychiatrists are MDs, generally highly paid, who treat mental illness. Clinical psychologists provide counseling. The likelihood of a psychiatrist giving routine school counseling is somewhere close to zero.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #475 July 29, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote One thing that is not know at this time (if you had actually read the article you were so happy to include here) is "It can not be ascertained if Ms Fenton was caring for Mr Holmes under a threat-assessment program or if he was under routine counseling Ms Fenton provided to students on campus". Until this question can be answered, the media is rather premature with their assumptions that Mr Holmes was seeing a shrink as opposed to possibly interacting with a school counselor. "Routine" school counseling is generally given by psychologists, not psychiatrists. Maybe not in all schools , or with a school making a few financial decisions, like multi tasking their employees. Lets see what they say. Matt I suggest you look up to see what the relative pay and roles of psychiatrists vs psychologists are. Psychiatrists are MDs, generally highly paid, who treat mental illness. Clinical psychologists provide counseling. The likelihood of a psychiatrist giving routine school counseling is somewhere close to zero. Improbable, but not impossible, which is My point. In today's economy, it happens, more and more, that employers ask more from their employees, again lets see what the facts bring to bear, you may be right. MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
