SkyDekker 1,465 #651 August 8, 2012 QuoteI support the SAME standard for identification for exercising rights granted in the Constitution. You can remove the right for ID to buy a gun, or require ID to vote and I would be fine with either (Personally, I think showing an ID for both is fine and a good idea). Great, so one should show ID before using the right to free speech as well? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #652 August 8, 2012 QuoteQuoteI support the SAME standard for identification for exercising rights granted in the Constitution. You can remove the right for ID to buy a gun, or require ID to vote and I would be fine with either (Personally, I think showing an ID for both is fine and a good idea). Great, so one should show ID before using the right to free speech as well? I hope not, but that's what big left wing labor unions want - if you don't, how do we know who's house to burn or who's kids to intimidate? it's kind of weird that all these issues have analogous reversals (no it's not, it's pretty predictable) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #653 August 14, 2012 QuoteGreat, so one should show ID before using the right to free speech as well? If you think you should have to show ID to buy a gun or show ID to vote, why would showing an ID to say start a newspaper, or showing an ID to a cop when you are on the corner publicly speaking be such a crazy idea? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #654 August 14, 2012 Because things simply aren't black and white. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
muff528 3 #655 August 14, 2012 QuoteQuoteGreat, so one should show ID before using the right to free speech as well? If you think you should have to show ID to buy a gun or show ID to vote, why would showing an ID to say start a newspaper, or showing an ID to a cop when you are on the corner publicly speaking be such a crazy idea? If you start a business (newspaper) you will verify your identity. You do not need to verify your identity (or citizenship) to exercise free speech here unless you charge a fee for someone to listen to you. You do need to be identified as a citizen (so far) to vote. We have decided (through regulation by the BATF) that you do need to verify your ID to legally purchase a firearm. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #656 August 14, 2012 QuoteBecause things simply aren't black and white The simple fact is you either uphold rights, or you select which ones you like... Thus not really supporting rights at all. The US Constitution was put into place to protect the rights you don't like, not the ones you do like. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #657 August 14, 2012 QuoteThe simple fact is you either uphold rights, or you select which ones you like... Right, but I don't see requesting ID to purchase a firearm as not upholding a right. I reject the idea that all rights granted in the US Constitution have identical impacts with identical practical applications. Hence, I think your "ID for all or ID for none" stance is inane. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #658 August 15, 2012 This guy could have stopped this from taking place for sure!!! http://www.thenorthwestern.com/article/20120815/OSH0101/120815024/Moviegoer-shoots-himself-buttocks-apologizes-leaves-theater?nclick_check=1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #659 August 15, 2012 QuoteQuoteThe simple fact is you either uphold rights, or you select which ones you like... Right, but I don't see requesting ID to purchase a firearm as not upholding a right. I reject the idea that all rights granted in the US Constitution have identical impacts with identical practical applications. Hence, I think your "ID for all or ID for none" stance is inane. Alright Then who picks? Who decides which are limited and why? What are the limits of these limits? If and ID is ok for one right, then it is ok for another Anything else is just plain dishonesty"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 333 #660 August 15, 2012 QuoteThis guy could have stopped this from taking place for sure!!! http://www.thenorthwestern.com/article/20120815/OSH0101/120815024/Moviegoer-shoots-himself-buttocks-apologizes-leaves-theater?nclick_check=1 "Doctors report that he was lucky and missed his brain by mere inches." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #661 August 15, 2012 QuoteAlright Then who picks? Who decides which are limited and why? SCOTUS. That does happen to be their role. Surprised you didn't know that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #662 August 15, 2012 QuoteQuoteAlright Then who picks? Who decides which are limited and why? SCOTUS. That does happen to be their role. Surprised you didn't know that. That answer is the chickens way out What do you think? Who should decide? I konw the SCOTUS is the final arbitor But someone files the case"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #663 August 15, 2012 QuoteWhat do you think? Who should decide? I konw the SCOTUS is the final arbitor But someone files the case Filing a case is not the same as picking or deciding. (never mind that you don't file a case with SCOTUS. And I do think SCOTUS should decide. That is their job. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #664 August 15, 2012 QuoteQuoteWhat do you think? Who should decide? I konw the SCOTUS is the final arbitor But someone files the case Filing a case is not the same as picking or deciding. (never mind that you don't file a case with SCOTUS. And I do think SCOTUS should decide. That is their job. Hmm I wonder where I said a case is filed with the SCOTUS? Can you show me where I said that? And those filing the cases are setting up the debate And, as I REALLY said, the SCOTUS is the final arbitor of the case"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #665 September 5, 2012 QuoteRight, but I don't see requesting ID to purchase a firearm as not upholding a right. I though you said on the SCOTUS can decide? What makes your opinion correct and mine wrong? See, I have an EVEN application, you have an UNEVEN application based only on your personal desires and fears. One is even, one is based on emotions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #666 September 5, 2012 As if you don't fear the goberment taking away all yer guns?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #667 September 21, 2012 This guy look crazy to anyone here? http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/national_world&id=8818667 "There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #668 September 21, 2012 Quote This guy look crazy to anyone here? http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/national_world&id=8818667 JAGNquade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lefty 0 #669 September 21, 2012 I've only seen a look that frightening on one other face...Provoking a reaction isn't the same thing as saying something meaningful. -Calvin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #670 November 27, 2012 QuoteAs if you don't fear the goberment taking away all yer guns? It has happened in the other parts of the world and it has happened in the US already at least once. So if it has been done, it can be done again. You may not like the 2nd, but the SC has ruled it as an individual RIGHT. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
texascrw 1 #671 November 27, 2012 As long as you are armed, why would you fear the government TRYING to take your guns? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #672 November 27, 2012 QuoteI've only seen a look that frightening on one other face... Damn! He was great with Buffalo Springfield, but his work with Poco and Kenny Loggins was when he was at his best! My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #673 July 16, 2015 Live: Jury verdict to be read now: http://www.9news.com/videos/news/local/2014/07/07/5993325/"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Driver1 0 #674 July 17, 2015 ryoderLive: Jury verdict to be read now: http://www.9news.com/videos/news/local/2014/07/07/5993325/ Guilty on ALL CHARGES. Fuck yeah!There will be no addressing the customers as "Bitches", "Morons" or "Retards"! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #675 July 17, 2015 And this whole thing could have been over and done with over two years ago when the defense offered to plead guilty if the death penalty was off the table. But due to prosecutors wanting to build political capital on the case, this thing has dragged out and cost CO taxpayers huge amounts of money, and will continue to cost them through the appeals process. And BTW only one execution has occurred in CO since 1977."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
