billvon 3,070 #126 July 23, 2012 >The system is broken, it shouldn't take so long in cut and dry cases like this. The system does have it's problems. Which is actually a good argument to not try to ram though cases without the usual checks and balances. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #127 July 23, 2012 QuoteQuote Key words here being "crime for which they were convicted." It'd be interesting to see of those that were sentenced to death, what their criminal and trial histories were... The only relevant crime is the one for which they were convicted. You're missing the point. It's a karmic balance thing. While there may be a small percentage of people falsely convicted of a crime they didn't commit and plead innocent to, it's likely they have done similar or worse offenses they weren't convicted of or possibly even tried.Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #128 July 23, 2012 QuoteYou're missing the point. It's a karmic balance thing. I'm not missing the point at all. The justice system isn't about Karma. It's not okay to put someone to death for a murder they didn't commit just because they got away with stealing a candy bar when they were a kid.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #129 July 23, 2012 Quote Quote You're missing the point. It's a karmic balance thing. I'm not missing the point at all. The justice system isn't about Karma. It's not okay to put someone to death for a murder they didn't commit just because they got away with stealing a candy bar when they were a kid. Your comparison cracks me up. Agree that the justice system isn't about Karma, but until some stats are produced on those that pled innocent but were convicted anyways that don't have previous history of similar or worse offenses, I'm not going to lose sleep over it. Even if justice isn't about Karma, it doesn't mean it can't be an unwilling agent of it.Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #130 July 24, 2012 QuoteAgree that the justice system isn't about Karma, but until some stats are produced on those that pled innocent but were convicted anyways that don't have previous history of similar or worse offenses, I'm not going to lose sleep over it. If they had been convicted of a similar or worse offense, then they would have been sentenced for that offense, as well. Your reasoning isn't logical.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 851 #131 July 24, 2012 None of this nonsense is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #132 July 24, 2012 Quote Quote Agree that the justice system isn't about Karma, but until some stats are produced on those that pled innocent but were convicted anyways that don't have previous history of similar or worse offenses, I'm not going to lose sleep over it. If they had been convicted of a similar or worse offense, then they would have been sentenced for that offense, as well. Your reasoning isn't logical. You're assuming they were caught or did not get off on a technicality. This is independent of whether they were convicted. It's the difference between committing a crime and actually being convicted of that crime. Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #133 July 24, 2012 Quote It's the difference between committing a crime and actually being convicted of that crime. Exactly. In the eyes of the law, if someone is not convicted of a crime, they should not be punished for that crime. Your implication that it's okay to execute them because they probably got away with something even if they were exonerated of the crime for which they were convicted is absurd.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #134 July 24, 2012 Quote Quote It's the difference between committing a crime and actually being convicted of that crime. Exactly. In the eyes of the law, if someone is not convicted of a crime, they should not be punished for that crime. Your implication that it's okay to execute them because they probably got away with something even if they were exonerated of the crime for which they were convicted is absurd. I made no such clarifications of those convicted and executed only. If someone commits a crime multiple times but not charged/convicted but then gets accidentally convicted of a similar or lesser crime, is that technically okay? No. Is it just? This is where we differ. No justice system can ever be perfect, ours definitely leans in the defendants favor, but even then, errors will happen. Unless someone can provide evidence to the contrary, seems to all karmicly balance out. Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
