Zep 0 #1 July 31, 2012 A little Chinese girl beat the best you got by more than seven seconds (in that event) and you cry foul, come on you're better than that. Gone fishing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iluvtofly 0 #2 July 31, 2012 If she's clean then good for her. But you do gotta wonder when a teenage girl gets a better time then one of the top men in the sport. I mean, she is Chinese, they do pretty much bread their Olympians and train them from the day they're born so it's possible, but you never know. Is it really so much worse than the Japanese men protesting during the gymnastics meet? The guy obviously fucked up the dismount, and it was a big fuck up, yet they protested it, and won. Which in my opinion wasn't right. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peregrinerose 0 #3 July 31, 2012 Are they breaded and fried, or are they grilled? And yes, us Americans are really that fucked up. We like to whine and complain and blame everyone else for our problems or lack of success. Not many of us as individuals, but our society as a whole. Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TriGirl 333 #4 July 31, 2012 Well, it is pretty amazing that she swam the event a full FIVE SECONDS faster than she ever had before! But, each medal winner gets tested. If she comes back clean, then she can laugh in the face of all the doubters (including the merely skeptical, such as me). Who knows? Maybe she was holding back in all previous public races, and she was simply China's secret weapon! See the upside, and always wear your parachute! -- Christopher Titus Shut Up & Jump! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nataly 38 #5 July 31, 2012 It's not just the Americans... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/olympics/olympicsvideo/9440455/London-2012-Olympics-five-memorable-Olympic-Games-protests.html"There is no problem so bad you can't make it worse." - Chris Hadfield « Sors le martinet et flagelle toi indigne contrôleuse de gestion. » - my boss Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Arvoitus 1 #6 July 31, 2012 I'm European and I don't think her result is due to a lot of training but because the Chinese have the best doctors. In my opinion they should just drop with all the charades and make a category of sports where everything goes and you can use whatever you can get your hands on.Your rights end where my feelings begin. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Southern_Man 0 #7 July 31, 2012 I'm generally a little cynical and suspicious of a lot of performances but it is ugly when Americans cry foul over foreign athletes. America has a history of being one of the dirtiest nations in Olympic sports. America also has a history of covering up positive tests."What if there were no hypothetical questions?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #8 July 31, 2012 Quote I'm generally a little cynical and suspicious of a lot of performances but it is ugly when Americans cry foul over foreign athletes. America has a history of being one of the dirtiest nations in Olympic sports. America also has a history of covering up positive tests. like Lance Armstrong scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #9 July 31, 2012 so can we move the gratuitous nation bashing to Speaker's Corner yet? sure, it's the "in thing" for impotent PC obsessed folks both in and out of the country to bash the US and pat each other on the back and stroke each other for being so advanced and evolved but this is just a crappy thread ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #10 July 31, 2012 Quote Well, it is pretty amazing that she swam the event a full FIVE SECONDS faster than she ever had before! But, each medal winner gets tested. If she comes back clean, then she can laugh in the face of all the doubters (including the merely skeptical, such as me). Who knows? Maybe she was holding back in all previous public races, and she was simply China's secret weapon! Cyclists have been beating drug tests for decades. Read Willy Voet's "Breaking the Chain" for an eye-opener on how they were doing it in the 80's & 90's."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Southern_Man 0 #11 July 31, 2012 Quote like Lance Armstrong The examples are almost too numerous to mention. Like Justin Gatlin and LaShawn Merritt, both convicted dopers, being on our Olympic track and field team. Like the cover-up that happened prior to the '84 Olympics to Carl Lewis' positive drug test before the '88 games (where he replaced Ben Johnson after he tested positive. Up to the recent positive test for Hope Solo just before the games."What if there were no hypothetical questions?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Southern_Man 0 #12 July 31, 2012 Quoteso can we move the gratuitous nation bashing to Speaker's Corner yet? sure, it's the "in thing" for impotent PC obsessed folks both in and out of the country to bash the US and pat each other on the back and stroke each other for being so advanced and evolved but this is just a crappy thread I don't think it is nation bashing to point out that the US has a lousy record with regard to doping. So does Russia. So does India (despite being a very poor games performers India has a huge number of athletes currently serving doping bans)."What if there were no hypothetical questions?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zep 0 #13 July 31, 2012 Quote but this is just a crappy thread Why is it a crappy thread? Over the years I've supported you guys through thick and thin. Come on learn to lose with a little grace like the rest of us. If it turns out that she did actually take an "illegal" substance I'll eat humble pie., but till then... Gone fishing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #14 July 31, 2012 "they do pretty much bread their Olympians ""I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #15 July 31, 2012 QuoteBut, each medal winner gets tested. If she comes back clean, then she can laugh in the face of all the doubters (including the merely skeptical, such as me). Means nothing. There are many who got through the testing and later admitted they were indeed using. Marion Jones is a prime example. Quite frankly I think all the top contenders in the big events are using performance enhancing substances. The Chinese are known for doping, specially in their swimming program. There is no doubt in my mind that Ye is not all natural. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #16 July 31, 2012 Quote Quote Well, it is pretty amazing that she swam the event a full FIVE SECONDS faster than she ever had before! But, each medal winner gets tested. If she comes back clean, then she can laugh in the face of all the doubters (including the merely skeptical, such as me). Who knows? Maybe she was holding back in all previous public races, and she was simply China's secret weapon! Cyclists have been beating drug tests for decades. Read Willy Voet's "Breaking the Chain" for an eye-opener on how they were doing it in the 80's & 90's. Well, they beat the tests by not getting caught for the banned substances. the IOC and other Governing bodies put out a list annually, this list says these drugs are banned, the athletes go take what is not on the list, but just as enhancing. Of course my info only comes from one of the racers, who said it is no real secret, accept to the press and rest of the world, but to the riders, IOC, etc, common knowledge. MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #17 July 31, 2012 Quotethe IOC and other Governing bodies put out a list annually, this list says these drugs are banned, the athletes go take what is not on the list, but just as enhancing. Nope. Not that simple. Lots of workarounds: - Micro-dosing to keeps levels below detection threshold. - Diuretics and/or drinking lots of water to flush out the system. - Saline injections just before the tests to dilute the blood. - Sleight of hand tricks worthy of any magician to substitute urine samples. - Social engineering."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #18 July 31, 2012 QuoteQuotethe IOC and other Governing bodies put out a list annually, this list says these drugs are banned, the athletes go take what is not on the list, but just as enhancing. Nope. Not that simple. Lots of workarounds: - Micro-dosing to keeps levels below detection threshold. - Diuretics and/or drinking lots of water to flush out the system. - Saline injections just before the tests to dilute the blood. - Sleight of hand tricks worthy of any magician to substitute urine samples. - Social engineering. Well, this was an admission by a racer, he was open about it and witnessed it daily. Your other items sure, they happen, but they are the smaller percentage compared to the open doping he mentioned. Then each year the list is modified to add the new stuff. Point, lets just drop the pretense, let the Olympic be what the have really become: a big dick measurement, and allow any thing and every thing. Call it the "Unlimited Olympics" and we let Dr. Moreau like science have a ball! (or three, if it is advantageous) MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #19 July 31, 2012 Quote Well, this was an admission by a racer, he was open about it and witnessed it daily. Willy Voet was not a racer; He was a soigneur. i.e. he was the guy who *managed* the doping program for Team Festina."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #20 July 31, 2012 QuoteQuote Well, this was an admission by a racer, he was open about it and witnessed it daily. Willy Voet was not a racer; He was a soigneur. i.e. he was the guy who *managed* the doping program for Team Festina. ? I said a racer admitted how they did it openly, you pointed out the sneaky guys, I said sure they do that too. What is this our big dick measurement moment? MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #21 July 31, 2012 Quotelet the Olympic be what the have really become: a big dick measurement, With all the doping isn't it more a smallest dick measurement? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,079 #22 July 31, 2012 >Are you Americans really that fucked up Oh yes. And getting beat at the Olympics isn't the half of it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davjohns 1 #23 July 31, 2012 Quote >Are you Americans really that fucked up Oh yes. And getting beat at the Olympics isn't the half of it. Are you Americans really that fucked up No more than the rest of the world. And given how much of the world looks to us for help; likes to try to drag us down; compares themselves to us, and; posts on our forums () I'm guessing we're actually a bit less f'd up than others. The girl did something that was highly unusual; even for her. To question whether something unusual caused it is only logical. Drawing conclusions without facts is not.I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #24 July 31, 2012 Quote Nope. Not that simple. Lots of workarounds: - Micro-dosing to keeps levels below detection threshold. - Diuretics and/or drinking lots of water to flush out the system. - Saline injections just before the tests to dilute the blood. - Sleight of hand tricks worthy of any magician to substitute urine samples. - Social engineering. None of the above will alter the results of blood or urine tests. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,079 #25 July 31, 2012 >No more than the rest of the world. Also agreed. We are indeed fucked up - but that's because people in general are, not because there's anything specific to the US that causes fuck-up-ability. >The girl did something that was highly unusual; even for her. Yep. And she beat out 200 other countries as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
