beeman 0 #26 August 10, 2012 Quote THAT, I am disappointed in, and the wars. But he got handed a pile of shit with two wars and Gitmo. I expect it is not easy. I expect Congress still had a hand in it. Romney:" I'm gonna repeal this and repeal that on my first day".....he's gonna be pretty busy that first day don't you think? Wonder when he will have time to take a shit.... If you do not think Congress has no effect on all of these things, then wait until day 2 of Romney's Office (if he gets elected, at this point it is a toss-up) and see if 'his slogans' were kept or not. My point is, if you are basing your presidency on slogans - then you need to have your head examined. You're definitely right about Congress. It's why I'm not looking forward to this election no matter what the result is. Romeny will probably just alienate everyone and Congress will probably just not work with him. And I would love to have more than slogans and hate to base my opinion off of, but that's a pipe dream at this point. I hear this No Confidence guy has a good platform...well...I was going skydiving anyway. let's go. Earn your pancakes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davjohns 1 #27 August 10, 2012 I do agree that believing politcal promises is silly. I also agree that holding them against the liar is a good idea. Might eventually have some small effect...maybe. I read GHWB's lips. And he enacted the biggest tax increases ever. I listened as Slick Willy beat GHWB for that promise. Then enacted even larger tax increases. I actually don't recall what W promised. Doubt it was delivered. 9/11 changed so much. I appreciated his strength of character, though. The latest attempt hasn't kept many promises. He should be held accountable for that. The next guy probably will not do much better. The nation just isn't ready for the belt tightening and frugal living it would require to start to turn the momentum. Changing one position isn't going to do that much.I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davjohns 1 #28 August 10, 2012 Quote...the problem is that currently the other side is still the same coin ... Exactly. We need a new coin. Or maybe multi-sided dice. Right now, it seems like 'heads they win, tails we lose'.I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #29 August 10, 2012 QuoteQuote...the problem is that currently the other side is still the same coin ... Exactly. We need a new coin. Or maybe multi-sided dice. Right now, it seems like 'heads they win, tails we lose'. To me it's 'heads I lose, tails I lose' because both sides are divided when public but united when private."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #30 August 10, 2012 QuoteBy his order? Not exactly. You might want to look into that. I am not doubting you, just intruiged by how it would have gone down. Can you point me in the right direction to look? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #31 August 10, 2012 QuoteThe nation just isn't ready for the belt tightening and frugal living it would require to start to turn the momentum. Changing one position isn't going to do that much. This! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beeman 0 #32 August 10, 2012 QuoteQuoteThe nation just isn't ready for the belt tightening and frugal living it would require to start to turn the momentum. Changing one position isn't going to do that much. This! agreed.well...I was going skydiving anyway. let's go. Earn your pancakes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #33 August 10, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuotewhat accomplishments? http://whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com/ Or maybe you would prefer this or this. anyone can make things sound awesome on paper. realistically, any military "accomplishment" of his is signing his name permitting other people to carry out the work they have done while he turns around and speaks badly our military and foreign policy, and expresses a desire to drastically cut our military. Though I suppose he did issue what I'm sure was an extra strongly worded statement to Mubarak and Ghadaffi. And as for any money Obama has ever "given" anyone. I'm sick and tired of hearing all the great causes he's "given" to. When he finds a way to pay for this shit, then and only then will I consider being impressed. Right now, all he's doing is paying us on our own dime, which thanks to him we have less and less chance of ever having to begin with. just my $0.02 You highlight a great point. There will be many people who live in denial about what Obama has accomplished as POTUS simply because they don't like Obama. Of course that doesn't mean he hasn't accomplished anything. Let's see, bin Laden was killed on his watch by his order, he brought RomneyCare to the other 49 states, he ended the war in Iraq, … Saddam Hussein killed far more people than OBL ever did. I don't recall hearing you singing praises to Bush for getting him. Nope, I didn't. We shouldn't have invaded Iraq in 2003. President Bush, the elder, was smart to not remove Hussein from power during Desert Storm.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #34 August 10, 2012 QuoteBy his order? Not exactly. You might want to look into that. Okay. At 8:20am on Friday, April 29th in the Diplomatic Room, President Obama met with National Security Adviser Tom Donilon, White House chief of staff William Daley, White House counterterrorism adviser John Brennan and deputy National Security Adviser Denis McDonough and gave the order for the operation. Source QuoteWe were kicked out of Iraq. At some point, you want to get the bull out of the china shop.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davjohns 1 #35 August 10, 2012 Research the interchanges between Panetta, Petreaus, Clinton and the White House. The initial reports on how things went down are different from what was later reported.I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #36 August 10, 2012 QuoteWe need a new coin. Or maybe multi-sided dice. Right now, it seems like 'heads they win, tails we lose'. We need a new voting system, such as instant runoff voting or ranked voting. Our current system encourages a two party system and elections in which we vote against the candidates we least want to see hold office (as opposed to voting for candidates who we would like to see hold office).Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #37 August 10, 2012 QuoteFirst, the world has not been, is not, and will not be a paradise. ... only because your team won't get out of the way (whichever team that is) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #38 August 10, 2012 QuoteQuoteFirst, the world has not been, is not, and will not be a paradise. ... only because your team won't get out of the way (whichever team that is) No, it's your team. No, it's my team. No, it's your team ... Okay, now that we've got that out of the way we can move on with the discussion."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Creep0321 0 #39 August 10, 2012 QuoteQuotewhat accomplishments? http://whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com/ Or maybe you would prefer this or this. "issued executive order to close guantanamo bay"... its still open brah... "I will cut the deficet in half in three years, if i cant do that, this will be a one term presidency"... o yea... he added 5 trillion... didnt cut shit, expanded welfare... yet is still running... so a hypocrite... promised unemployement would be reduced, yet there aremoreunemploed americans now than in 2008... so yea... all the lil frivilous bullshit is cool, but heshasnt doneanything he promised inhis BS"change" speaches.Jack of all trades. Military Free Fall Jumpmaster. USA Static-line Jumpmaster. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Creep0321 0 #40 August 10, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuotewhat accomplishments? http://whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com/ Or maybe you would prefer this or this. anyone can make things sound awesome on paper. realistically, any military "accomplishment" of his is signing his name permitting other people to carry out the work they have done while he turns around and speaks badly our military and foreign policy, and expresses a desire to drastically cut our military. Though I suppose he did issue what I'm sure was an extra strongly worded statement to Mubarak and Ghadaffi. And as for any money Obama has ever "given" anyone. I'm sick and tired of hearing all the great causes he's "given" to. When he finds a way to pay for this shit, then and only then will I consider being impressed. Right now, all he's doing is paying us on our own dime, which thanks to him we have less and less chance of ever having to begin with. just my $0.02 You highlight a great point. There will be many people who live in denial about what Obama has accomplished as POTUS simply because they don't like Obama. Of course that doesn't mean he hasn't accomplished anything. Let's see, bin Laden was killed on his watch by his order, he brought RomneyCare to the other 49 states, he ended the war in Iraq, … Bin laden being killed had absolute SHIT to do with obama, lookat his speaches about military accomplishments side by side with bush... where as obama says "I did this, ect. ect..." Bush says "our military, oure nations heros, our intelligence community ect. ect..." that shows alot about a person.Jack of all trades. Military Free Fall Jumpmaster. USA Static-line Jumpmaster. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #41 August 10, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteFirst, the world has not been, is not, and will not be a paradise. ... only because your team won't get out of the way (whichever team that is) No, it's your team. No, it's my team. No, it's your team ... Okay, now that we've got that out of the way we can move on with the discussion. Look over there - a big fluffy cloud towering to 12K from 3K..... ----> ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beeman 0 #42 August 10, 2012 Quote lookat his speaches about military accomplishments side by side with bush... where as obama says "I did this, ect. ect..." Bush says "our military, oure nations heros, our intelligence community ect. ect..." that shows alot about a person. +10well...I was going skydiving anyway. let's go. Earn your pancakes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
