weekender 0 #26 August 15, 2012 Quoteso what go after the UK banking executive who thought this was a good idea and got rich off of it! Hit him on his way to work. What not like we haven't picked up suspected terrorist sympathizers outside of our borders. What makes them so special that they are above rendition or being lit up like an Xmas tree? Oh yeah.....they are executives and bankers...forgot they are above the law. There actually is a modicum of reason in your post. Not as written but you did, by accident i can only assume, bring up a valid point. why arent they charged with a crime? Most likely because it occurred outside the US and by a non US bank. The US regulators got a nice chunk of change and stopped the practice. I would bet thats about all they could of done. the US gov't would not support tehm going into London to arrest bankers. Not for anything less than espionage. Just my 2cents on that. by the way, we are all still waiting for a few examples of evil bankers convicted of crimes going unpunished. or have you forgot about that?"The point is, I'm weird, but I never felt weird." John Frusciante Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shah269 0 #27 August 16, 2012 Quoteby the way, we are all still waiting for a few examples of evil bankers convicted of crimes going unpunished. or have you forgot about that? Hum this one is a very good one isn't it? The executives helped launder god knows how much money to the terrorist state of Iran for how long? And how much money did they make in the process? And before you go off on to defend these scum buckets remember there is plenty of proof of Iran utilizing funds to fund, train and ARM terrorist groups all over the world especially in Iraq. It is a well known fact that a good number of the IED's utilized to kill and harm our service men and women were bought for by the Iranian government. So were these guys themselves held accountable? Did they individually pay? Nope! The company paid which means it's customers and if they are a publically traded company I'm not sure PAID. NOT THE EXECUTVIES THAT AIDED A KNOWN TERROIRST ORGANIZATION! I'm sorry people have been reditioned for less people have been introduced to the finer points of Hellfire dodging for less! And these guys...and I'm going to go out on a limb and guess it was white guys just got a slap on the wrist! If it were up to me, rendition their entire family to gitmo but if that sounds too harsh well we know where they play golf right? Well talk about an easy target. Take them out one at a time at their country club using a nice government issued Hellfire! That should scare a few of these WASPY fucks to behave! Why should these terrorist aiding criminals be allowed to live perfectly happy healthy well to do lives when their crimes aided a known terrorist group who killed and wounded our service men and women in Iraq? I'm sorry. They should have been renditioned or killed like the terrorist loving pigs that they are. For they posed a clear and present danger to the safety and security of the US.Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weekender 0 #28 August 16, 2012 QuoteQuoteby the way, we are all still waiting for a few examples of evil bankers convicted of crimes going unpunished. or have you forgot about that? Hum this one is a very good one isn't it? The executives helped launder god knows how much money to the terrorist state of Iran for how long? And how much money did they make in the process? And before you go off on to defend these scum buckets remember there is plenty of proof of Iran utilizing funds to fund, train and ARM terrorist groups all over the world especially in Iraq. It is a well known fact that a good number of the IED's utilized to kill and harm our service men and women were bought for by the Iranian government. So were these guys themselves held accountable? Did they individually pay? Nope! The company paid which means it's customers and if they are a publically traded company I'm not sure PAID. NOT THE EXECUTVIES THAT AIDED A KNOWN TERROIRST ORGANIZATION! I'm sorry people have been reditioned for less people have been introduced to the finer points of Hellfire dodging for less! And these guys...and I'm going to go out on a limb and guess it was white guys just got a slap on the wrist! If it were up to me, rendition their entire family to gitmo but if that sounds too harsh well we know where they play golf right? Well talk about an easy target. Take them out one at a time at their country club using a nice government issued Hellfire! That should scare a few of these WASPY fucks to behave! Why should these terrorist aiding criminals be allowed to live perfectly happy healthy well to do lives when their crimes aided a known terrorist group who killed and wounded our service men and women in Iraq? I'm sorry. They should have been renditioned or killed like the terrorist loving pigs that they are. For they posed a clear and present danger to the safety and security of the US. nice long post but did not address the topic. you stated that bankers convicted of crimes go unpunished. we are all still waiting for a few examples."The point is, I'm weird, but I never felt weird." John Frusciante Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shah269 0 #29 August 16, 2012 These guys buddy! These guys! They knowingly and willingly broke the law. And not just US laws! WE are talking international laws regarding aiding and abetting terrorist organizations. And well are they still free? I mean I don't how much better of an example you need? Well maybe those HSBC bankers who were laundering money for the Narco Terrorists. But just remember, it was the money these guys laundered that was used to buy the weapons that were aimed at your friends who served in Iraq. And god forbid got hurt or killed.Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #30 August 16, 2012 QuoteThese guys buddy! These guys! They knowingly and willingly broke the law. And not just US laws! WE are talking international laws regarding aiding and abetting terrorist organizations. And well are they still free? I mean I don't how much better of an example you need? Well maybe those HSBC bankers who were laundering money for the Narco Terrorists. But just remember, it was the money these guys laundered that was used to buy the weapons that were aimed at your friends who served in Iraq. And god forbid got hurt or killed. Who? Show us the story!"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shah269 0 #31 August 16, 2012 Quote Who? Show us the story! from page 1 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19253666 And the drug moeny went to BofA sorry about that http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/09/los-zetas-laundered-money-bank-america_n_1658943.htmlLife through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weekender 0 #32 August 16, 2012 QuoteQuote Who? Show us the story! from page 1 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19253666 And the drug moeny went to BofA sorry about that http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/09/los-zetas-laundered-money-bank-america_n_1658943.html these guys have not been convicted of a crime. please show us examples, since you have repeately stated it is common, of a few bankers that have been convicted of a crime and then went unpunished."The point is, I'm weird, but I never felt weird." John Frusciante Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shah269 0 #33 August 16, 2012 No they just paid a nice $300mill fine because they loved loved LOVED giving the state money? You speed, you get caught, you are issued a ticket you pay the ticket. Guess what you just agreed to plead guilty to speeding by paying the ticket. Except in this case they aided and abetted terrorists. They made good money doing so. Company was issued a ticket. Company paid the ticket on behalf of the executive thus pleading guilty. Executive who made the money off the illegal transactions is thus insulated? Shame....I wonder anyone who ever had a limb blown off by an Iranian financed IED in Iraq would think what these guys did was "just doing business"? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19157426 (HSBC issues) sigh I give up. Maybe my grandmother was right. There is no justice in this world or the next.Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,076 #34 August 16, 2012 >Shame....I wonder anyone who ever had a limb blown off by an Iranian financed IED >in Iraq would think what these guys did was "just doing business"? He probably hates them. And the kid who had both his arms blown off by a US bomb during the Iraq war probably hates you (and all Americans.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shah269 0 #35 August 16, 2012 Bro i grew up in Iran in the late 70's early 80's during one of the worst wars ever. Trust me I've been there done that seen it and remember it well. Thus why it pisses me off so much that these guys funded the terrorists to do what they did and what they are doing. Remember money funds wars. And these guys are war criminals at best! Terrorists at worst and should be held accountable.......but it will never happen. So why should I be pissed off?Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weekender 0 #36 August 16, 2012 QuoteNo they just paid a nice $300mill fine because they loved loved LOVED giving the state money? You speed, you get caught, you are issued a ticket you pay the ticket. Guess what you just agreed to plead guilty to speeding by paying the ticket. Except in this case they aided and abetted terrorists. They made good money doing so. Company was issued a ticket. Company paid the ticket on behalf of the executive thus pleading guilty. Executive who made the money off the illegal transactions is thus insulated? Shame....I wonder anyone who ever had a limb blown off by an Iranian financed IED in Iraq would think what these guys did was "just doing business"? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19157426 (HSBC issues) sigh I give up. Maybe my grandmother was right. There is no justice in this world or the next. actually they did not pay a fine. nor did they plead guilty to anything, like you do with a speeding ticket. reading is fundamental. you once again did not understand the article you read because you do not understand the industry you love to complain about. they paid a civil penalty. I'm sure you will write another long winded off topic post explaining how they are the same. of course, they are not and any reasonbly minded person knows that. Words have meanings. I once had to pay a 25cent penalty for cursing in religion class. was that a crime? You really should try to follow another industry, something you are capable of understanding. even with an MBA, finance is way over your head. long anger and short knowledge and reason. again"The point is, I'm weird, but I never felt weird." John Frusciante Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shah269 0 #37 August 16, 2012 Quotethey paid a civil penalty http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_penalty A civil penalty or civil fine is a financial penalty imposed by a government agency as restitution for wrongdoing. The wrongdoing is typically defined by a codification of legislation, regulations, and decrees. The civil fine is not considered to be a criminal punishment, because it is primarily sought in order to compensate the state for harm done to it, rather than to punish the wrongful conduct. As such, a civil penalty, in itself, will not carry jail time or other legal penalties Yup you are 100% right they got away with it! NICE! Good job guys! Go help the terrorists blow up more people! Woo hoo! And you can make money doing it? Woo hoo! YOU ROCK! Shit this is too funny. You wanted an example of "getting away with it" well here you go! They got away with helping terrorists move money! NICE JOB GUYS! NICE!Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #38 August 16, 2012 QuoteNo they just paid a nice $300mill fine because they loved loved LOVED giving the state money? You speed, you get caught, you are issued a ticket you pay the ticket. Guess what you just agreed to plead guilty to speeding by paying the ticket. Do you understand what a civil infraction is?Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #39 August 16, 2012 QuoteYou wanted an example of "getting away with it" well here you go! They got away with helping terrorists move money! NICE JOB GUYS! NICE! Could you please link to an article that describes the felony of which a jury found them guilty? Alternately, you could link to an article that describes how they pleaded guilty to a crime.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shah269 0 #40 August 16, 2012 I guess I would also have to find all that links describing the felony of which a jury found all the guys we rendition and we introduced to Hellfire missiles as they wre driving across the desert? As I've said we have taken people out who have done less! Hell we took out a guy for being "religious leaders! And all those dumb asses ever did was preach war against the west and the killing of civilians! These guys well...shit they funded a terrorist state! But being WASPy men...and I'm 99.99999% it was...they...the company they work for paid their fine and will be doing just fine. Kill the guy who preaches terrorism.....let go the guy who funds terrorists? Hum let me think about that.......I'm sorry I'll let the dumb ass publish all the hate he wants to but the SOB who arms the terrorists may need to have his arms forcibly removed!Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #41 August 16, 2012 QuoteI guess I would also have to find all that links describing the felony of which a jury found all the guys we rendition and we introduced to Hellfire missiles as they wre driving across the desert? No. You just need to show us a guilty verdict or a guilty plea to support your assertion that these guys were convicted of a crime and are deserving of jail time. In the process of attaining your US citizenship, did you learn anything about due process? Perhaps you skipped over the 5th amendment.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shah269 0 #42 August 16, 2012 Due to the precedent set by the previous administration due process can be overlooked when matters of security of our nation are at stake. Please note the various renditions and strategic strikes which have been utilized over the years to take out various terrorist sympathizers/aiders. Our rule of law is based on precedent. And precedent indicates that these guys should have been renditioned or taken out in accordance with our current foreign policy. These WASPY bank executives are no better than the Arabs we keep taking out all across the middle east.Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weekender 0 #43 August 16, 2012 >"Shit this is too funny. You wanted an example of "getting away with it" well here you go!" No, i did not and have never asked for an example of someone "getting away with it". That means nothing. you have stated time and time again that bankers convicted of crimes go unpunished. we are all still waiting for examples. This is not an example of that. actually, if you want to be really technical, since they paid a penalty, it could be argued they did not, "get away with it"."The point is, I'm weird, but I never felt weird." John Frusciante Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weekender 0 #44 August 16, 2012 QuoteDue to the precedent set by the previous administration due process can be overlooked when matters of security of our nation are at stake. Please note the various renditions and strategic strikes which have been utilized over the years to take out various terrorist sympathizers/aiders. Our rule of law is based on precedent. And precedent indicates that these guys should have been renditioned or taken out in accordance with our current foreign policy. These WASPY bank executives are no better than the Arabs we keep taking out all across the middle east. do you honestly think what your wrote makes sense to an adult? does it make sense to you? you have repeatedly made a fool of yourself by speaking of finance. Something you have proven time and time again to not have a basic understanding of. are you seriously going to try to speak intelligently about the law? I’m not a lawyer but my wife is. I don’t even need to speak to her to understand your explanation of precedent is embarrassingly wrong. For the record, most bankers are famously not WASPs. you do realize the names of the firms are the names of the partners. they sound WASPy to you?"The point is, I'm weird, but I never felt weird." John Frusciante Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shah269 0 #45 August 16, 2012 Quoteactually, if you want to be really technical, since they paid a penalty, it could be argued they did not, "get away with it". OK who paid? Were they individually held accountable and had to pay up? Or was the corporation held accountable and thus passed the fine down to the customer as an added fee? I'm going to go with "they the company was fined and said fines were transferred to the customer as an additional charge associated with banking." You see like terrorists. They can get away with murder because if and when we prosecute them they turn around and start hurting more innocent people. You know kind of like the Taliban or other terrorist groups. Why do you think we have this rendition program where suspected terrorists and terrorist supporters are killed or picked up in the middle of the night? It's the only real way to deal with such people who have no regard for human life. Defending these guys in any way shape or form is much like defending terrorist actions. Good luck with that one.Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #46 August 16, 2012 Defending these guys in any way shape or form is much like defending terrorist actions. Good luck with that one. For your statement here to be true, YOU have to prove your position! As you said Good luck with that"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shah269 0 #47 August 16, 2012 http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2012/08/15/standard-chartereds-shares-rally-after-settlement/ Quote Peter Sands, the chief executive of Standard Chartered Man he is one albino brother! Maybe he's just ashy! Quote New York authorities had claimed that Standard Chartered schemed for nearly a decade with Iran to hide 60,000 transactions worth $250 billion from regulators "id idn't do it I'm innocent no it wasn't me! the glove no fit you have to let me go!" Quote Mr. Leech said in a research note to investors on Wednesday that “the relatively small” $340 million settlement suggested a “significant moderation in attitude” by New York regulators. You have to wonder why they went so low?Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weekender 0 #48 August 16, 2012 >"Defending these guys in any way shape or form is much like defending terrorist actions. Good luck with that one." Why do you keep saying that? I have not once defended anyones actions. are you not capable of understanding that? i defend reason. -you stated we should kill NY bankers. i pointed out that would be foolish since this they had nothing to do with it. thats it. ( i even used quite a bit of restraint not addressing the fact you are calling for the killing of bankers. a moronic comment by itself) -you claimed they were guilty of a crime. i pointed out they were not. you actually agreed with me in a post. -you have claimed many times that bankers convicted of crimes go unpunished. i gave examples of the opposite and asked you to do the same. you have failed i feel sorry for you. i cannot imagine how much you must struggle being angry at things you do not understand. you remind me of my dog, everytime i turn on the Hoover he goes berzerk, frothing and barking. he has no idea what it is but he sure is angry at it."The point is, I'm weird, but I never felt weird." John Frusciante Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #49 August 16, 2012 QuoteDue to the precedent set by the previous administration due process can be overlooked when matters of security of our nation are at stake. Iran doesn't pose a serious threat to our national security. Way to avoid answering the question about the difference between civil law and criminal law, though!Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shah269 0 #50 August 16, 2012 QuoteQuoteDue to the precedent set by the previous administration due process can be overlooked when matters of security of our nation are at stake. Iran doesn't pose a serious threat to our national security. Your kidding me right!? Look when those bankers were here in NYC and I'm sure they were they should have been picked up by the CIA and taken to CUBA! QUICK! No questions asked. We have done it to many more who have done much much less!Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
