Marinus 0 #126 August 28, 2012 You really think the Americans don't want Julian Assange to let him face American vengeance justice? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #127 August 28, 2012 If they want him why didn't they just ask us for him? If they had he'd be in the USA before this whole rape allegation came about. If they wanted to they could have even have just lifted him or made him have an accident. The truth of the matter is that Assange is inconsequential as is wikileaks. They got Bradley Manning and are making an example of him, they don't need the pin board they got the poster.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #128 August 28, 2012 Quote If they had he'd be in the USA before this whole rape allegation came about. Of course it might be wise to wait till after the allegations are made if you want to catch someone who's a hero to many. Not my, hero, btw, I pretty much agree with your assessment of his character. Quotethey don't need the pin board they got the poster. Agreed, but of course that doesn't mean they don't want him Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #129 August 28, 2012 I think as some posts in this thread demonstrate, any allegations against him founded or unfounded will be ignored and derided by those who believe that its a big brother smear campaign. Therefore if the USA want him there is no need to trash his reputation especially as what he has done with Wikileaks is enough to polarise public opinion on him. If there are charges to be placed against him in the USA a simple extradition request to the UK would have seen him in a supermax by now.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #130 August 28, 2012 Of course, if the allegations of rape are partly there because of some smear campaign, it would be to depolarize public opinion, to a situation where almost anyone hates JA. Btw, I'm not insisting that Assange is innocent and victim of some dirty politic game, It's just that some things don't add up. The alu hat wearing crowd, as you call us, isn't only remarkably large, but also features a lot of reasonable people that have reasonable doubts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #131 August 28, 2012 QuoteIf they want him why didn't they just ask us for him? If they had he'd be in the USA before this whole rape allegation came about. If they wanted to they could have even have just lifted him or made him have an accident. They don't have any charges. They can't lift him or have him have an accident. Too public a figure, too well known he would be hated by the US. Who is going to stake their career on that one? The trumped up charges in Sweden are the way to get back at him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 798 #132 August 28, 2012 How many times must Sweden state they have no intentions of sending him to any country with a death penalty?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #133 August 28, 2012 QuoteHow many times must Sweden state they have no intentions of sending him to any country with a death penalty?? Who said anything about extradition to the US or the death penalty? Assange is not a US citizen. His sites weren't hosted in the US. The US doesn't have anything that will stick in court to get him extradited for. This was he would still end up in prison. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #134 August 28, 2012 QuoteHow many times must Sweden state they have no intentions of sending him to any country with a death penalty?? They will not extradite Assange to the US if he faces the death penalty. Sweden does have an extradition treaty with the US, so there won't be much of a problem to extradite him as long as he isn't going to be executed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 798 #135 August 28, 2012 EVERYONE has. It's THE reason his minions fear the extradition. Meanwhile.... Australia could give a fuck. Eucador's decision will damn near cripple their economy. UK still has an obligation to extradite. Sweden still has one of the most respected legal systems on the planet. Quite the sticky wicket. WTF would he run to a dictatorship led nation for FREEDOM???? While dragging down wikileaks into his own legal troubles. What a fucktard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #136 August 28, 2012 QuoteEVERYONE has. It's THE reason his minions fear the extradition. No. They fear the extradition to Sweden cause that will land him in prison in Sweden. I don't think an extradition to the US is ever in the cards ( the other line of thinking is that this process was started to buy the US time to see if they can come up with charges for Assange. This process would have forced him to stay in a country with an extradition treaty to the US.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 798 #137 August 28, 2012 huh. We're reading vastly differing news sources then. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #138 August 28, 2012 Quotehuh. We're reading vastly differing news sources then. Sorry, I am not going by what Assange is saying. I am going by what makes sense. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 798 #139 August 28, 2012 In this case, good luck with that! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #140 August 28, 2012 QuoteThe other line of thinking is that this process was started to buy the US time to see if they can come up with charges for Assange. This process would have forced him to stay in a country with an extradition treaty to the US. As I've mentioned before, there's nothing for him to be charged with unless it can be shown that he conspired ahead of time with Manning to go after the information. From what I've read of the Manning case so far, I don't think there's anything to suggest that happened. US citizen or not, nobody has any legal responsibility to keep classified information secret unless they've signed an NDA. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #141 August 28, 2012 QuoteAs I've mentioned before, there's nothing for him to be charged with unless it can be shown that he conspired ahead of time with Manning to go after the information. From what I've read of the Manning case so far, I don't think there's anything to suggest that happened. US citizen or not, nobody has any legal responsibility to keep classified information secret unless they've signed an NDA. I agree, though teh court case against Manning might bring up some "evidence" of that nature. Hence the possible desire to keep him within a country with extradition treaties. (A US citizen could conceivably be charged with treason) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #142 August 28, 2012 Quote In this case, good luck with that! Why do you think Assange would keep claiming that the US is out to get him and will try to kill him? He is doing it for a very clear reason. Ask yourself this, why would Equador grant asylum if Assange doesn't claim such things? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #143 August 28, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteWe are getting of topic, No, we aren't, since it looks a bit like the accusations of rape are used to serve as a means to get to the ultimate goal of putting Assange in an American prison. Bullshit, if the USA wanted the idiot then why didn't they just ask the UK for him, we happily give over our own citizens to the USA if asked even on charges which aren't even crimes in the UK. There have been a couple of high profile examples of this in the last couple of years. The Swedish are less likely to extradite him than we are, the USA haven't asked for him and if he was in Sweden then because of the EU extradition process not only would Sweden have to say yes to extraditing him to the USA but also the UK. He would be safer from the USA in Sweden than he is here in the UK. This tin foil hat nonsense about the USA doing a backdoor extradition is simply not upheld in any way by either fact or logic. These claims are simply self aggrandisement by a narcissistic attention seeking man of no integrity. So why haven't the UK and Sweden given assurances that he will not be transferred to the USA? That alone would resolve most of the issues.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #144 August 28, 2012 And I'm not insisting that its not a sting, however for all the previous reasons I do think it very unlikely. Quote It's just that some things don't add up Such as what?When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #145 August 28, 2012 QuoteQuoteIf they want him why didn't they just ask us for him? If they had he'd be in the USA before this whole rape allegation came about. If they wanted to they could have even have just lifted him or made him have an accident. They don't have any charges. They can't lift him or have him have an accident. Too public a figure, too well known he would be hated by the US. Who is going to stake their career on that one? The trumped up charges in Sweden are the way to get back at him. For all the arguments I've already put forward that makes no sense whatsoever. I started off this thread thinking the same as you on this but as I have learnt more about the case I have totally changed my mind based on the facts.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #146 August 28, 2012 QuoteQuoteHow many times must Sweden state they have no intentions of sending him to any country with a death penalty?? Who said anything about extradition to the US or the death penalty? Assange is not a US citizen. His sites weren't hosted in the US. The US doesn't have anything that will stick in court to get him extradited for. This was he would still end up in prison. Only if convicted, do you think the US Government can also nobble the Jury in Sweden?When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #147 August 28, 2012 QuoteQuoteHow many times must Sweden state they have no intentions of sending him to any country with a death penalty?? They will not extradite Assange to the US if he faces the death penalty. Sweden does have an extradition treaty with the US, so there won't be much of a problem to extradite him as long as he isn't going to be executed. True, but they would also need the permission of the UK to do so, in which case whats the point of the added step? Also he would still have to first face the charges which would have arraigned against him on return to Sweden. That being the case the USA would not get hold of him until A) The case was over and he was found innocent, in which case he could simply leave the country prior to the extradition request being processed. or B) After he came out of prison having been found guilty of rape and sexual misconduct. So either way it would be a lot easier to just have him directly extradited from the UK.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #148 August 28, 2012 'Quite the sticky wicket.' Hear hear old chap.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #149 August 28, 2012 QuoteQuoteEVERYONE has. It's THE reason his minions fear the extradition. No. They fear the extradition to Sweden cause that will land him in prison in Sweden. I don't think an extradition to the US is ever in the cards ( the other line of thinking is that this process was started to buy the US time to see if they can come up with charges for Assange. This process would have forced him to stay in a country with an extradition treaty to the US.) So why not a sting in the UK, it would be just as easy as in Sweden.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #150 August 28, 2012 Quote Why do you think Assange would keep claiming that the US is out to get him and will try to kill him? Because he is an inadequate little man with narcissistic Walter Mitty delusions of grandeur of an epic scale. He has reached a level of public notoriety that he never thought possible and now the worlds media spotlight is turned upon him he doesn't wish for it to be removed.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
