Marinus 0 #151 August 28, 2012 QuoteSuch as what? A 50 man strong police operation, costing 80.000/Day surrounding the embassy for someone who isn't even accused of a crime. The fact that Sweden nor the UK don't give any guarantees to Assange about extradition to the US. The refusal of Sweden to hear Assange about the rape-allegations in the embassy. To name a few things. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #152 August 28, 2012 Quote So why haven't the UK and Sweden given assurances that he will not be transferred to the USA? That alone would resolve most of the issues. Because legally they would be making a pledge which they may not be able to keep. If the USA actually came up with charges against Assange and drafted a extradition notice which was in keeping with the current diplomatic agreements on extradition between the USA and the UK then the UK would be obliged to fulfil its obligations under such a treaty. However, the fact remains that the USA has not done so and seems to have no intention of doing so. This whole thing stinks like a kipper in an exhaust pipe. It stinks of a man who is desperate to avoid facing the music for alleged sexual crimes in Sweden.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #153 August 28, 2012 QuoteWe're reading vastly differing news sources then. We know you read news sources that provide incorrect information. But if you looked into it, the news sources around Assange are very varied. The whole spectrum from Assange is a child-molesting terrorist, till Assange is the the information age Messiah is covered. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #154 August 28, 2012 QuoteQuoteSuch as what? A 50 man strong police operation, costing 80.000/Day surrounding the embassy for someone who isn't even accused of a crime. The fact that Sweden nor the UK don't give any guarantees to Assange about extradition to the US. The refusal of Sweden to hear Assange about the rape-allegations in the embassy. To name a few things. Assange has turned this whole thing in to a circus the police were there partly for crowd control but also to make sure he doesn't escape. He has challenged the authority of the British Government on UK soil and by going into the Embassy he has broken the condition of his bail and therefore has committed a criminal offence within the UK. On arrival in Sweden he will be charged with the offences of rape and sexual misconduct as well. He is doing his best to embarrass the UK government and so its hardly surprising that they don't wish to be further embarrassed by letting him slip through the net. His high profile media game has upped the embarrassment factor and hence the determination to arrest him and prevent HM Gov looking weak.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #155 August 28, 2012 QuoteSo why haven't the UK and Sweden given assurances that he will not be transferred to the USA? That alone would resolve most of the issues. Because neither country would want to offer such a blanket assurance without knowing all the facts. By the way, the UK would have to approve of any extradition of Assange from Sweden anyways. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #156 August 28, 2012 I'm sorry, I'm not convinced by your answer. Besides you ignored two points, one being that Assange is prepared to be heard about the allegations of rape. AFAICS there's no reason he can't be heard on the grounds of the embassy, and I doubt if Ecuador would grand asylum to a rapist if that's what came out of the hearings. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #157 August 28, 2012 I didn't ignore your point, it was the same as the one the Prof had already made and which I answered here... http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4366177#4366177 As for the idea of answering questions from the embassy, he is wanted for arrest both here in the UK and also in Sweden on the original charges and also for breaking bail conditions. He is therefore a criminal and is subject to the law of both the EU and the UK. People wanted for arrest don't get to pick and chose where they answer questions from the police, let alone have some sort of psudo trail via Skype When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #158 August 29, 2012 Quote People wanted for arrest don't get to pick and chose where they answer questions from the police, let alone have some sort of psudo trail via Skype Yet isn't he still only being extradicted for questioning...has yet to be actually charged? As for the US not being able to guarantee they won't charge him...why not? What facts are there not in full evidence yet? Are they hoping Bradley will cop a plea and testify against Assange, providing a foundation to charge him? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #159 August 29, 2012 A) He is a wanted criminal in the UK now due to breaking bail. B) No one said anything about the US not giving assurance that they will not guarantee they won't charge him, the argument up to now was that the UK and Sweden can not guarantee they won't extradite him to the USA if requested, there is a difference. I doubt that the USA is willing or in the mood to make any promises to this little scrot, indeed why the hell should they? If Julian Assange wants to live his life out in self imposed imprisonment in the Ecuadorian Embassy I doubt anyone in London or Washington is going to shed a tear over him. If he comes out then arrest him and let him face the judicial consequences of his actions just like the rest of us, if he is innocent of the rape allegation and sexual misconduct then justice will prevail.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #160 August 29, 2012 QuoteA) He is a wanted criminal in the UK now due to breaking bail. Seems a bit circular to me. He hasn't been charged yet, but was arrested, and now is charged with breaking terms of bail. To be a criminal I believe he would actually need to be convicted of something (and what he did 2 decades ago isn't germane). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #161 August 29, 2012 Fact is, the only reason the various governments REALLY want him is that he has embarrassed the sh1t out of them. For which I say "well done". Governments need to have their venality and machinations exposed.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #162 August 29, 2012 Some of the info needed to come out, other info should have been kept secret. Dumping everything was plain stupidity.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #163 August 30, 2012 Quote Fact is, the only reason the various governments REALLY want him is that he has embarrassed the sh1t out of them. For which I say "well done". Governments need to have their venality and machinations exposed. You shoul be damned proud of the book written by the Seal then"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 236 #164 August 30, 2012 QuoteQuote Fact is, the only reason the various governments REALLY want him is that he has embarrassed the sh1t out of them. For which I say "well done". Governments need to have their venality and machinations exposed. You shoul be damned proud of the book written by the Seal then Which one? "Pogue Warrior?" "No shit, there I was..." (= "Once upon a time...") Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #165 August 30, 2012 Quote Which one? "Pogue Warrior?" "No shit, there I was..." LMAOWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #166 August 30, 2012 Quote Fact is, the only reason the various governments REALLY want him is that he has embarrassed the sh1t out of them. For which I say "well done". Governments need to have their venality and machinations exposed. BINGO!My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #167 August 31, 2012 Quoteif he is innocent of the rape allegation and sexual misconduct then justice will prevail. Yeah, Right. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
