StreetScooby 5 #26 August 18, 2012 Quote To be clear I don't think they did anything illegal (or, more accurately, their tax people probably didn't do anything illegal.) But it would be embarrassing for the Romneys if their returns showed that they paid less than 10% one year, for example. And from Ann Romney's statement, they may not be 100% sure how much they paid. How many people know that Romney "worked for free", in terms of salary for a very long time? How's that going to look on a tax return?We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #27 August 18, 2012 Quote I'm kinda critical of the idea that job creators should be taxed at a different rate than job doers. How 'bout you? I'm kinda critical of the idea that being rich makes you a job creator. How many US jobs have rich folks outsourced to China, Korea, etc? How many US jobs does a stash of cash in the Cayman Islands create?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #28 August 18, 2012 QuoteQuote To be clear I don't think they did anything illegal (or, more accurately, their tax people probably didn't do anything illegal.) But it would be embarrassing for the Romneys if their returns showed that they paid less than 10% one year, for example. And from Ann Romney's statement, they may not be 100% sure how much they paid. How many people know that Romney "worked for free", in terms of salary for a very long time? I do quite a lot of work for free. Not having $millions stashed away in Swiss banks means I also have to have a job that pays too, so I can pay my bills. It sure would be nice to have so much money that I didn't have to work for a salary, and could have a tax rate as low as 13%.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #29 August 18, 2012 QuoteQuote If Obama had to release his birth certificate, then all is fair in this case. Well, that's required to run for office. Releasing your tax returns, or your college transcripts, is not required to run for office. No. It isn't. Not at all. If you think it is, please read the Constitution. You will not see the words "birth certificate."quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #30 August 18, 2012 Quote No. It isn't. Not at all. How else does one demonstrate they're a natural born citizen?We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shah269 0 #31 August 18, 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sh163n1lJ4M The last Republican who did not open up his taxes but insisted that there was nothing wrong was......Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #32 August 18, 2012 QuoteReleasing your tax returns, or your college transcripts, is not required to run for office. Lots of things aren't required to run, but are effectively required to win.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #33 August 18, 2012 QuoteQuote No. It isn't. Not at all. How else does one demonstrate they're a natural born citizen? I don't know. Try asking Abe Lincoln, but "birth certificate" isn't specified.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #34 August 18, 2012 Quote I don't know. Try asking Abe Lincoln, He was Republican. Apparently it wasn't an issue. We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #35 August 18, 2012 Quote Quote I don't know. Try asking Abe Lincoln, He was Republican. Apparently it wasn't an issue. Ah, you admit a double standard was applied then. Thank you.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #36 August 18, 2012 Quote Ah, you admit a double standard was applied then. Thank you. I've said no such thing. Please don't put words in my mouth.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #37 August 18, 2012 QuoteHe was Republican. That was back when the Republicans were the liberals.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 348 #38 August 18, 2012 I did not set the 'norm' of tax returns being made available. Given that it has been done for decades, it would be the norm. So to not release them is 'not the norm'. You have you opinions and I have mine - but there is not a 'right answer' in this scenario. How do you then 'screen the candidate. at which point does their personal life 'not matter'? If he was a Klansman, that would make a difference right? If he has a facebook page with pictures of teenager girls in skimpy bikinis on it, that woud be different right? If he owned companies that invested providing chemicals for biological weapons somewhere, that would make a difference right? That goes for any candidate whether he is the 'successful businessman' or just a black guy from Hawaii/Chicago - he had his minister/church criticized, his heritage, whether or not he ate dog, what he did int he Philippines, etc So the line is there, just do not agree on where that line is. Follow the money they always say - it will tell you a lot about what a person is REALLY about. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #39 August 18, 2012 Quote You have you opinions and I have mine - but there is not a 'right answer' in this scenario. Fair statement. I think it's wonderful when we can actually discuss the differences in a civilized manner. Sometimes, someone actually learns something from the exchange. I personally love it when that happens. Quote How do you then 'screen the candidate. Preferably in an objective way. But, that requires agreement between parties on what an objective criteria is. For me, the #1 issue is the crisis in our Federal fiscal situation. It dwarfs all other issues by far. Do I think Obama is going to solve it? No. Do I think Romney and Ryan can solve it? Far better than Obama can. Romney is a straight shooter who's been successful. Do I agree with him on everything? No, I don't. Quote If he was a Klansman, that would make a difference right? If he has a facebook page with pictures of teenager girls in skimpy bikinis on it, that woud be different right? If he owned companies that invested providing chemicals for biological weapons somewhere, that would make a difference right? Sounds reasonable to me. Quote So the line is there, just do not agree on where that line is. We probably do, more so than you realize.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #40 August 18, 2012 QuoteQuote Ah, you admit a double standard was applied then. Thank you. I've said no such thing. Please don't put words in my mouth. So, now you're saying the same standard applied to both even though Lincoln certainly never showed his birth certificate. Hmmm, I dunno. Certainly sound like a double standard to me. One of the quintessential Republicans doesn't have to do something later Republicans goad Obama into. Yeah, if that's not a double standard, I'm not sure what is. Oh, and remember, "birth certificate" isn't in the Constitutional requirements to be President. Just like tax returns. But let's let Romney just slide because, you know, it's not in the Constitution. So, please admit or submit and I'll quit…quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #41 August 18, 2012 QuoteOne of the quintessential Republicans doesn't have to do something later Republicans goad Obama into Republicans? Seems to me it was launched by Hillary Clinton loyalists during the primaries, where they hoped to deligitimize Obama. Once he was elected, the reins were passed to the wingnuts on the right, who were enthusiastic about it. Paul - you know this. So why are you limiting it to Republicans? My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #42 August 18, 2012 Quote So, now you're saying the same standard applied to both even though Lincoln certainly never showed his birth certificate. Well, I could be wrong, but I don't believe Lincoln had any PR literature saying that he was born in Kenya, like Obama has. To be explicit, I've seen Harvard literature that says he was born in Kenya. I've seen Illinois Senate literature that says he was born in Kenya. If you look at that objectively, you would say it's fair for people to ask if Obama was a natural born citizen. You can see that point of view, right?We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #43 August 18, 2012 >How many people know that Romney "worked for free", in terms of salary for a very >long time? How's that going to look on a tax return? ?? If he never made any money he would not have paid ANY taxes. You pay nothing on money you don't make. That 10% or 15% was not on money he had, it was on money he made, most likely via capital gains. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #44 August 18, 2012 Quote ?? If he never made any money he would not have paid ANY taxes. You pay nothing on money you don't make. That 10% or 15% was not on money he had, it was on money he made, most likely via capital gains. Exactly. He had no salary, thus nothing to tax in that context. Can't you just hear the Chicago guys going - "HE DIDN'T PAY ANY TAXES!!!". Regarding his "trust fund", I expect his tax accountants fully complied with the law, as defined at that point in time.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #45 August 18, 2012 QuoteTo be explicit, I've seen Harvard literature that says he was born in Kenya. I've seen Illinois Senate literature that says he was born in Kenya. I've not heard of such things. Could you please provide links?Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #46 August 18, 2012 Quote I've not heard of such things. Could you please provide links? Just googled this - obama pr literature saying he was born in kenya Here's the result set: http://www.google.com/#hl=en&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=obama+pr+literature+saying+he+was+born+in+kenya&oq=obama+pr+literature+saying+he+was+born+in+kenya&gs_l=hp.3..33i29.5792.17521.0.17692.79.61.13.2.2.1.189.6381.32j29.61.0.les%3Bernk_fspiked_nsqb..1.0...1c.hnMau6c9ehQ&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=c0c777965e1cb37a&biw=1152&bih=721We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #47 August 18, 2012 QuoteJust googled this - obama pr literature saying he was born in kenya I don't think many reasonable people would consider a promotional booklet of a literary agent to be a credible source of information of a politician's birth.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shah269 0 #48 August 18, 2012 Any man who went off to France to be a missionary is my man! I mean can you talk about a more dangerous place for a conservative! FRANCE! I mean a man of his wealth and dislike of the poor usually loose their heads! BUT HE WAS FEARLESS! He hals 1/8th my vote!Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #49 August 18, 2012 Huh?We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #50 August 18, 2012 Quote I don't think many reasonable people would consider a promotional booklet of a literary agent to be a credible source of information of a politician's birth. I think you're wrong on that one. Just look at the response.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
