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SkyDekker 1,465
QuoteYour response is pretty weird. Have you ever been to an N.A. meeting? Do you have any idea how addictive crack cocaine is? If not, then you haven't any idea what you are talking about. That's pretty typical of those who support legalization of crack, so don't feel you are alone.
Let us know your thoughts AFTER attending that N.A. meeting, OK?
How do you square this with personal responsibility?
How do you square this with not blaming an object but blaming the person?
kallend 2,027
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How well did Prohibition work?
You obviously are having trouble distinguishing the differences between alchohol and a highly addictive substance like crack cocaine. You really should go to an N.A. meeting sometime and talk to people whose lives were devestated after they became addicted from just one toke on a crack pipe. But I'm sure you would not want to associate yourself with "those people".
How did legalization of Opium work out for China?
How well is our current War on Drugs working?
So you think the solution is to destroy society by legalizing Crack? How about heroin? Surely you won't mind stepping over all the nodded out junkies and empty syringes on your daily route?
So you would argue that outlawing guns would prevent gun crime. Curious.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
QuoteMy cousin died because of a heroin addiction. I sat and watched him shoot up once. Funny thing is it being illegal had nothing to do with me not giving it a go. I also know that keeping drugs illegal did not prevent his addiction or death. Now is the only reason you have not become and or are not a crack addict is because it is illegal.
So, can we take that as an acknowledgment that you have never been to an N.A. meeting?
If watching someone shoot up once is your total experience, then I would say you have a lot to learn.
QuoteQuoteYour response is pretty weird. Have you ever been to an N.A. meeting? Do you have any idea how addictive crack cocaine is? If not, then you haven't any idea what you are talking about. That's pretty typical of those who support legalization of crack, so don't feel you are alone.
Let us know your thoughts AFTER attending that N.A. meeting, OK?
How do you square this with personal responsibility?
How do you square this with not blaming an object but blaming the person?
So, you have never been to an N.A. meeting either?
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How well is our current War on Drugs working?
So you think the solution is to destroy society by legalizing Crack? How about heroin? Surely you won't mind stepping over all the nodded out junkies and empty syringes on your daily route?
Yeah, clearly we should just keep doing what we are doing, you know, since it prevents all those people from taking drugs.
Have you ever been to an N.A. meeting? Get back to us after you do.
Yes, I have. I appreciate that Ron posts with his clinical background, even if I sometimes disagree with him. I appreciate that you may have some background as well. I work, as Ron did, in a public mental health setting. Substance abuse is not my primary area of service but I am hardly ignorant of the realities of drug use in our society. I have also had much personal contact, including helping people get treatment and being part of a couple of interventions.
All of that happened in spite of our current drug laws, which you seem to think work.
"What if there were no hypothetical questions?"
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How well did Prohibition work?
You obviously are having trouble distinguishing the differences between alchohol and a highly addictive substance like crack cocaine. You really should go to an N.A. meeting sometime and talk to people whose lives were devestated after they became addicted from just one toke on a crack pipe. But I'm sure you would not want to associate yourself with "those people".
How did legalization of Opium work out for China?
How well is our current War on Drugs working?
So you think the solution is to destroy society by legalizing Crack? How about heroin? Surely you won't mind stepping over all the nodded out junkies and empty syringes on your daily route?
So you would argue that outlawing guns would prevent gun crime. Curious.
So you have never been to an N.A. meeting, either?
Get back to us after you do. Until then, you haven't a clue what you are talking about.
rehmwa 2
QuoteQuoteNice tap dance, so I'll ask again. Do you support legalizing Crack cocaine?
I oppose all forms of busibodying, by left or right. Most of the busibodying in the USA is by the right, of course.
I'll remember that when I go buy lightbulbs in a couple years.
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SkyDekker 1,465
QuoteSo, you have never been to an N.A. meeting either?
I'll take that as you being unable to explain it.
By the way, Narcotics Anonymous is not the only way one can see what crack can do.
kallend 2,027
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How well did Prohibition work?
You obviously are having trouble distinguishing the differences between alchohol and a highly addictive substance like crack cocaine. You really should go to an N.A. meeting sometime and talk to people whose lives were devestated after they became addicted from just one toke on a crack pipe. But I'm sure you would not want to associate yourself with "those people".
How did legalization of Opium work out for China?
How well is our current War on Drugs working?
So you think the solution is to destroy society by legalizing Crack? How about heroin? Surely you won't mind stepping over all the nodded out junkies and empty syringes on your daily route?
So you would argue that outlawing guns would prevent gun crime. Curious.
So you have never been to an N.A. meeting, either?
Get back to us after you do. Until then, you haven't a clue what you are talking about.
Why would I go to an NA meeting? I haven't been to an NRA meeting either. Or an AA meeting, or a Weight Watcher's meeting.
Prohibition has a long history of failure.
I think you are a classic busibody, knowing what's best for everyone else.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
I don't look down at people who are addicted. I also don't believe they deserve to go jail. What is your insistence that one goes to a N.A meeting in order to understand addiction.Would your stance on guns change if you went to a support group of gun violence. Again, is the only reason you have not become and or are not a crack addict is because it is illegal.
kallend 2,027
QuoteQuoteQuoteNice tap dance, so I'll ask again. Do you support legalizing Crack cocaine?
I oppose all forms of busibodying, by left or right. Most of the busibodying in the USA is by the right, of course.
I'll remember that when I go buy lightbulbs in a couple years.
As far as I'm concerned you can buy whatever lightbulbs you want.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
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How well is our current War on Drugs working?
So you think the solution is to destroy society by legalizing Crack? How about heroin? Surely you won't mind stepping over all the nodded out junkies and empty syringes on your daily route?
Yeah, clearly we should just keep doing what we are doing, you know, since it prevents all those people from taking drugs.
Have you ever been to an N.A. meeting? Get back to us after you do.
Yes, I have. I appreciate that Ron posts with his clinical background, even if I sometimes disagree with him. I appreciate that you may have some background as well. I work, as Ron did, in a public mental health setting. Substance abuse is not my primary area of service but I am hardly ignorant of the realities of drug use in our society. I have also had much personal contact, including helping people get treatment and being part of a couple of interventions.
All of that happened in spite of our current drug laws, which you seem to think work.
My experience was helping a good friend who became addicted to alchohol and crack. I attended several dozen A.A. and N.A. meetings. Sadly, my friend could not shake his addiction and died of an overdose. I also remember sitting in those meetings and hearing that someone else who had been there just a few days before had succumbed to substance abuse again.
Crack is nothing like alchohol, heroin or even powder cocaine. It is incredibly addicting and it often causes a person to become addicted with just one usage.
I am very happy I do not have to live in a world full of crackheads and junkies. If you think the war on drugs is expensive, wait until you see the devestation legalizing crack would cause. Of course, then the liberals would tell us we need to provide housing, food and free medical treatment for these "poor souls" who became addicted by using a legal substance.
rehmwa 2
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteNice tap dance, so I'll ask again. Do you support legalizing Crack cocaine?
I oppose all forms of busibodying, by left or right. Most of the busibodying in the USA is by the right, of course.
I'll remember that when I go buy lightbulbs in a couple years.
As far as I'm concerned you can buy whatever lightbulbs you want.
sure, apparently the 'left' isn't as tolerant as you - they're very 'busybody' in a LOT of aspects as well - it's really the theme of the party - activism implies an almost obsessive increase in government involvement in personal life - to state "most is by the right" is just silly
both parties would do well to just butt out on social issues and let people live their own lives
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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants
QuoteI don't look down at people who are addicted. I also don't believe they deserve to go jail. What is your insistence that one goes to a N.A meeting in order to understand addiction.Would your stance on guns change if you went to a support group of gun violence. Again, is the only reason you have not become and or are not a crack addict is because it is illegal.
Get back to us after attending those N.A. meetings. Then you will at least understand what you are saying. Although, I'm pretty sure you won't go.
Have you ever been to an N.A. meeting? Get back to us after you do.
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