Concealed Weapon choice.

[davjohns 1]

I'm a big believer in Murphy's Law. I consider a corollary of the law that the more prepared I am, the less likely it is that bad things will happen. So, I carry weapons. I carry a knife and a flashlight most everywhere. I carry a handgun when legal. I sleep with a silenced high capacity .45 with an extended mag. Because if someone is worth shooting, they're worth shooting well.

On the flip side, I now find myself in Belgium. It is nearly impossible to get a handgun permit here. The property crime is so high that the US government pays for all of our people to have have alarms at home. Makes sense to me. Once the threat of getting shot is gone, breaking into houses become a much more viable vocation. Now, how do I let them know that I am an expert with the sword?

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

[BIGUN 1,406]

Understood.

I'm not a fan of 9mm. During Desert Storm, a Captain blew his face off with one. Not long after, a friend of mine had his contract for .45 barrels quickly renewed and I thought that was good. Evidently, it was forgotten that the tight tolerances of the M9 don't bode well in sandy environments.

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

[rushmc 23]

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For a small carry check out the Springfield XDs. It's a very small single stack .45 ACP hand gun that's slim and easy to carry.

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"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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I lean more towards springfield armory and glock.

I think my entire point would be something you're already extremely familiar with or something you love. Sadly, those two don't seem to go together right at this moment. I realise the M9 and variants aren't nessasrily the most popular, but they are a base line and combat proven, as of course is the 1911, which you're not quite as familiar with. But again, my entire point here is its going to be something you have with you almost 24/7...like anythng you carry like that, whether its a gun or cell phone...I think you personally want to love it...no matter what caliber.

Recommendations from other people will be helpful, but I think you need to lay some hands on them and use them a bit before you can answer the question yourself, "do I really want to carry this around with me wherever I go 24/7?" I think you might even reconsider the slightly smaller 9mm when you really think and size and weight.

Just a thought about devices in general...

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All good points

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[beowulf 1]

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So my question stands why not carry a concealed handgun if you have the legal option to do so?

Maybe he just doesn't like the risks and hassles associated. Maybe he's responsible enough to realize how irresponsible he could potentially be with it.

Not everyone in every situation should own, let alone carry.

Here, look at this fucking old fool.

http://www.cnn.com/video/standard.html?hpt=hp_t3#/video/topvideos/2012/09/08/dnt-grandpa-shooting.kprc

Wasn't responsible enough to KNOW what was down range of what he was shooting at.

Fucking idiot.

I agree that carrying a handgun or owning one is not for everyone. Squeak was asking the orginal poster why and I ask why not. I can't think of any reason why he shouldn't carry concealed.

[DougH 270]

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I actually expected an intelligent response, sorry, i should have specified.

Ask an intelligent question, increase you chances of getting an intelligent answer.

Whuffo you pack concealed heat.

Whuffo you jump out plane.

Whuffo you bang my wife.

I carry concealed carry because I have the legal right to do so, and I like the fact that I can legally, discretely, and quick get access to a weapon to defend myself at a moments notice.

It is a huge responsibility but it also causes me very little inconvenience in my day to day life, mainly I won't have that one beer while eating out if I am carrying, and I need to be mindful of avoiding places I can't carry legally (schools, federal buildings).

Like any other special tool it is nice to have when you are faced with a situation that requires it.

Further in my state in order to even own a handgun you need have have a pistol permit that also gives you the right to carry concealed.

"The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall"
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[Marinus 0]

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I sleep with a silenced high capacity .45 with an extended mag.

Why is it silenced? I mean it's considerate towards the neighbours and all to dispose of your burglars without noise, but wouldn't an ongoing burglary one of those occasions in which you actually would want to wake the neighbours?

[diablopilot 2]

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I sleep with a silenced high capacity .45 with an extended mag.

Why is it silenced?

Because it's loud otherwise.

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You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

[Marinus 0]

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Because it's loud otherwise.

Very funny.

Edit: Google thinks it's because it improves accuracy. Sounds legit

[DougH 270]

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I sleep with a silenced high capacity .45 with an extended mag.

Why is it silenced? I mean it's considerate towards the neighbours and all to dispose of your burglars without noise, but wouldn't an ongoing burglary one of those occasions in which you actually would want to wake the neighbours?

Just making a wild ass guess but it would be nice to not loose your hearing if forced to shoot inside. I would have to assume that it would make follow up shots more easy to handle if your ears weren't ringing like crazy.

"The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall"
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[matthewcline 0]

Aside from the Right to do so, I carry concealed to and from work.

TN has an Armed Guard License but is kind of sketchy on getting the fire arm to and from work. In the past if one did not have a CCW Permit, even when fully dressed in a uniform and going on shift, a Armed Guard could get pulled over (speeding or what ever) and arrested for a weapons charge, if the LEO saw it (only aware of three cases in the last four years in this area). It also makes things a little easier when transporting weapons to and from Ranges, hunting areas, training classes, etc.

I also tend to be on location in some "rough" neighborhoods, one right behind our studio even, with near a million dollars of production gear on hand, theft has happened, even had a Camera Van Car jacked in front of the crew. Since being issued the CCW, and working as a Guard, I have not drawn it for work, or personal protection (one occasion Metro PD said I would have been justified in a shoot though, I used persuasion in stead, witnessed by the same LEO). I think on location being openly armed and identified as such has kept a few folks from crossing that line.

Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

[davjohns 1]

It makes the weapon a bit more accurate by eliminating the disrupting escape of gases as the projectile exits. More importantly, it reduces the reaction of the shooter to the sound of a .45 going off. The length of the silencer makes point and shoot much more accurate. It eliminates muzzle flash that could potentially blind me in low light conditions. It also reduces the confusion of an already tight situation. In all respects, it is really better.

As for the neighbors...why do I want to wake them up? I don't need help if I'm already shooting the bad guys. Let 'em sleep. I'll tell them about it the next day.

But there is the question of added trauma to family members. Waking up to gunfire tends to unsettle a person.

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

[steve1 5]

Buying pistols is a lot like eating potatoe chips. It's hard to be satisfied with just one.

There's a lot of people on here who know a lot about guns. I've got a lot of valuable info. from them.

I have a Glock 26 that I like a lot. The more I shoot it the more I love it. It's a bit big to conceal, and I often don't pack it around for that reason.

I picked up a little .380 Ruger LCP a while back. I love that pistol too. It fits in a back pocket, similiar to a wallet. You forget it is there. It's very accurate and easy to shoot....I know this is a mouse gun, but I'd bet, it's big enough to save your bacon, in most scenarios.

I'm thinking about buying a Sig. in 45 caliber next. It's big enough to kill an elk or a bear, if the bullet is placed right. I'm thinking of packing it in the back country. Maybe a revolver would be better for that. I already have a couple of those.

I might add, that I recently bought a book, that I would recommend. It's called "The Modern Day Gunslinger". It's probably no substitute for training, but it would help a lot. It's written by a former Navy Seal. It's not a book, just for beginners. Experienced gun owners would learn a lot from it too.

Forty years ago, I was weapons specialist on an A-team. We trained with lots of weapons....Everything from sub-machine guns to 4 deuce mortars. I don't remember ever picking up a pistol though. We shot some shot out 45's in infantry training, but that was about it. I know I have a lot to learn when it comes to combat shooting with a pistol. Thanks to all that have given me help with this!

[DcloudZ 0]

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I assure you that I'm not going to shoot anyone unless it's life and death. If more people carried guns, than these shooting rampages might have less casualties.

Does nobody see a problem with this mindset?

What if guns were less accessible by ALL? Would that not have a greater effect at stopping shooting rampages than if guns were easily accessible by all?

The United States needs to take a good look at their gun laws and compare them to a country like Canada.

"Better to have a short life that is full of what you like doing than a long life spent in a miserable way." -Alan Watts

[beowulf 1]

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I assure you that I'm not going to shoot anyone unless it's life and death. If more people carried guns, than these shooting rampages might have less casualties.

Does nobody see a problem with this mindset?

What if guns were less accessible by ALL? Would that not have a greater effect at stopping shooting rampages than if guns were easily accessible by all?

The United States needs to take a good look at their gun laws and compare them to a country like Canada.

The cat is already out of the bag. Banning guns will mostly affect law abiding citizens. Criminals by definition do not abide by the laws.
Banning substances or objects has never worked, all it does is create a black market.

Also to add, as the southern states are fond of saying. We don't care how you do things up north!

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I assure you that I'm not going to shoot anyone unless it's life and death.

You say that now. I'm sure just about everyone says that. The fact is though, it's not always true.

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If more people carried guns, than these shooting rampages might have less casualities. I have been in the army long enough to make the right decision.

Demonstrably untrue based on an incident involving trained professionals of the NYPD just weeks ago.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[rushmc 23]

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I assure you that I'm not going to shoot anyone unless it's life and death.

You say that now. I'm sure just about everyone says that. The fact is though, it's not always true.

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If more people carried guns, than these shooting rampages might have less casualities. I have been in the army long enough to make the right decision.

Demonstrably untrue based on an incident involving trained professionals of the NYPD just weeks ago.

There you go again

Taking a single incodent and painting all else with a wide brush

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[davjohns 1]

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I assure you that I'm not going to shoot anyone unless it's life and death. If more people carried guns, than these shooting rampages might have less casualties.

Does nobody see a problem with this mindset?

What if guns were less accessible by ALL? Would that not have a greater effect at stopping shooting rampages than if guns were easily accessible by all?

The United States needs to take a good look at their gun laws and compare them to a country like Canada.

Or Switzerland! Oh wait. That doesn't support your argument, now does it?

The US is not Canada. I have nothing against Canada, but the US has always been a bit different. We like being able to take care of ourselves as individuals. It was written into our constitution and some of us still like it that way. Enjoy Canada, friend. Just stay out of the US if you don't like it. Don't tell us we need to be like you. I'm not trying to be offensive, but you were a bit offensive in your post. Probably unintentional, but annoying just the same.

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

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I assure you that I'm not going to shoot anyone unless it's life and death.

You say that now. I'm sure just about everyone says that. The fact is though, it's not always true.

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If more people carried guns, than these shooting rampages might have less casualities. I have been in the army long enough to make the right decision.

Demonstrably untrue based on an incident involving trained professionals of the NYPD just weeks ago.

There you go again
Taking a single incodent and painting all else with a wide brush

Just trying to be realistic about the expectations some people think they have about their abilities.

If a person thinks they can never make matters worse, then that's a problem. History has shown time and again people overestimate their awesomeness.

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[rushmc 23]

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I assure you that I'm not going to shoot anyone unless it's life and death.

You say that now. I'm sure just about everyone says that. The fact is though, it's not always true.

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If more people carried guns, than these shooting rampages might have less casualities. I have been in the army long enough to make the right decision.

Demonstrably untrue based on an incident involving trained professionals of the NYPD just weeks ago.

There you go again
Taking a single incodent and painting all else with a wide brush

Just trying to be realistic about the expectations some people think they have about their abilities.

If a person thinks they can never make matters worse, then that's a problem. History has shown time and again people overestimate their awesomeness.

In this context I can agree with you

As humans we can always makes thing worse if given a chance

But I agree with the statment you responded to

If more people carried guns I beleive there would be fewer mass shootings to begin with

I also beleive that mass shootings would be mimimized should they happen

You use ONE example and paint the whole thing over

I just dont agree with you

I cant prove my positon

But neither can you

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DougH 270]

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Demonstrably untrue based on an incident involving trained professionals of the NYPD just weeks ago.

You could look at it that way.

You could also look at the incident to see that it is demonstrably untrue that gun bans keep shoot rampages from occurring.

NYC has very restrictive guns laws, and yet this somehow happened. Damn guns, refusing to follow the law!

"The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall"
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[rushmc 23]

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Demonstrably untrue based on an incident involving trained professionals of the NYPD just weeks ago.

You could look at it that way.

You could also look at the incident to see that it is demonstrably untrue that gun bans keep shoot rampages from occurring.

NYC has very restrictive guns laws, and yet this somehow happened. Damn guns, refusing to follow the law!

My guns are stil broken as they have yet to jump off the shelf and shoot anyone

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[davjohns 1]

You should trade them in. Apparenlty other people have firearms that take people out at random.

Or, you could sell them to me cheap. I'm ok with guns that have no intent of their own.

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

[rushmc 23]

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You should trade them in. Apparenlty other people have firearms that take people out at random.

Or, you could sell them to me cheap. I'm ok with guns that have no intent of their own.

Why thank you for the offer to purchase them (cheap)

It is hard getting rid of defective equipment

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[davjohns 1]

I've got a big heart that way.

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.