deltron80 0 #1 September 13, 2012 So...what does dropzone.com think about the men's rights movement? Feminism liberated women from their gender role chains, yet male gender roles and expectations remain firmly enforced by Western society. Women are now 'equal,' yet still favored in every area of life. Men are still disposable, while women are still to be protected. Men are still expected to be 'providers,' yet no longer receive any benefit for this service. In the past, the institution of traditional marriage was oppressive to both men and women, not just women. Women had to stay home and maintain the house, but men worked 16 hour days in a coal mine or died on the front lines. Men died young and women inherited their money. Which was more oppressed? Staying at home with the kids and surviving to old age sounds pretty darn good to me. Men are now failing out of schools and make up less and less of the workforce. A man who doesn't work is considered a deadbeat while a woman who doesn't work is basically just fine. Women don't actually make less money for the same job, they typically work less dangerous jobs and fewer hours which skews the figure. ~90% of workplace deaths are men ~97% of combat deaths since the Gulf War are men ~80% of suicides are men ~90% of homeless are men ~50% of domestic violence victims are men, yet they are ridiculed, not helped. No shelters, no protection from the law etc. (yes, women are weaker, but they tend to use weapons) The legal system is much more harsh towards men and issues less severe penalties for women for the same crimes...why? Women initiate divorce the majority of the time, yet men receive primary custody less than 10% of the time...why? Even without equal visitation rights, men are still expected to pay alimony and child support until death...why? Men are perceived as inherently violent, perverts, rapists, etc, yet are by far more often the victims of violent crime. Who cares? They're just men right? Men's lives are considered worthless and disposable in our society. Men are still universally expected to take bullets for women as in the Dark Knight massacre...why? No one gives a shit about all the male victims of rape in our prisons. Rape of women is a big deal, but rape of men is a JOKE. The woman has the privilege to decide whether a child is born, but the man is required by law to pay if she has the child. He has no choice not to pay. Considering the above, don't you think the supposed "patriarchy" is doing a very shitty job? Just because most CEO's and presidents are still men doesn't really make up for everything else IMO. Most of society is not composed of CEO's. Can anyone name one area in which women are still "disadvantaged" in Western society? I by no means think women shouldn't have equal rights. We should never go back to those old traditional gender roles. We just need to bring men up to date. It's time we left our evolutionary biology roles behind and embrace equality for both sexes. Until then, I'm opting out. Fuck chivalry. Have a nice life ladies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #3 September 13, 2012 It will take another 30 years before this is recognized by the main stream as an issue. I believe there are legitimate concerns, but good fuckin' luck getting people to listen to you at this point.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,068 #4 September 13, 2012 >Men are perceived as inherently violent, perverts, rapists, etc, yet are by far more >often the victims of violent crime. Who cares? They're just men right? Men's lives are >considered worthless and disposable in our society. Do you seriously believe that? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #5 September 13, 2012 QuoteIt will take another 30 years before this is recognized by the main stream as an issue. I believe there are legitimate concerns, but good fuckin' luck getting people to listen to you at this point. nicely put ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deltron80 0 #6 September 13, 2012 Quote>Men are perceived as inherently violent, perverts, rapists, etc, yet are by far more >often the victims of violent crime. Who cares? They're just men right? Men's lives are >considered worthless and disposable in our society. Do you seriously believe that? It's gotten to the point where people are now afraid to hire male babysitters, but the fact is women abuse just as much as men. A man can't even say "hi" to a kid these days without being suspected of being a child molester. Things have gotten out of hand. Think about it. That middle aged guy who lives alone? He must be some kind of weirdo creep! If a man is raped in prison, it's a funny joke about dropping the soap. When a man gets his dick lopped off by a jealous wife it's simply hilarious! No one jokes about violence against women. Violence shouldn't only be taken seriously when committed against women. Men are disposable in relation to women. Why are women's lives inherently more valuable than men's? Evolutionary biology and not much else. It's time we move on and value all human life equally. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shah269 0 #7 September 13, 2012 A fucking men!Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,068 #8 September 13, 2012 >It's gotten to the point where people are now afraid to hire male babysitters I don't know of anyone who is afraid to hire male babysitters because they're male. I know of a lot of parents (us included) who are afraid to hire people we don't know to babysit. >If a man is raped in prison, it's a funny joke about dropping the soap. And if a woman is raped in prison by another women, guys think it's hot. Jokes about porn movies ensue. >That middle aged guy who lives alone? He must be some kind of weirdo creep! And that woman who lives alone is a crazy cat lady. >No one jokes about violence against women. Cat fight! Meorrrow! A staple in sitcoms. I agree 100% that men and women should have the same rights. I also agree that men and women are perceived differently in society. In some cases those perceptions favor men, in some cases they favor women - often unfairly. There is very little you can do about people's perceptions, though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #9 September 13, 2012 Quote Can anyone name one area in which women are still "disadvantaged" in Western society? How often do you have to wait in line to take a piss in a public restroom? How often do you see the ladies lining up out the door? Your (reposted, I suspect) diatribe included a long list of half and quarter truths. That's rarely a compelling style of argument. The suicide claim was interesting - actually is true, but women are 3x as likely to attempt suicide. It appears that their methods are much less likely to succeed...or perhaps are just slower methods (pills) that give opportunity for someone to intervene. Whereas suicide by gun is pretty much an instant act. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deltron80 0 #10 September 13, 2012 QuoteQuote Can anyone name one area in which women are still "disadvantaged" in Western society? How often do you have to wait in line to take a piss in a public restroom? How often do you see the ladies lining up out the door? Your (reposted, I suspect) diatribe included a long list of half and quarter truths. That's rarely a compelling style of argument. The suicide claim was interesting - actually is true, but women are 3x as likely to attempt suicide. It appears that their methods are much less likely to succeed...or perhaps are just slower methods (pills) that give opportunity for someone to intervene. Whereas suicide by gun is pretty much an instant act. Ok, I'll give you the bathroom example...good one! Not as bad as getting shot in the face, but at least it's something. Any other examples you can think of? I listed way more ways men are oppressed. So which of my statistics were not true exactly? What do you mean by "reposted, I suspect"? Yes, these are all common issues discussed in the men's rights movement. Are you accusing me of plagiarism? lol Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Arvoitus 1 #11 September 13, 2012 Quote>Men are perceived as inherently violent, perverts, rapists, etc, yet are by far more >often the victims of violent crime. Who cares? They're just men right? Men's lives are >considered worthless and disposable in our society. Do you seriously believe that? Yes, all you have to do is turn on the TV or read the newspapers. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZAuqkqxk9AYour rights end where my feelings begin. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #12 September 13, 2012 Quote Women are now 'equal,' yet still favored in every area of life. Men are still disposable, while women are still to be protected. Men are still expected to be 'providers,' yet no longer receive any benefit for this service. Dunno about you, but I get laid a lot. I consider than a benefit.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,562 #13 September 13, 2012 You would have more support for your serious statements if they weren't surounded by ludicrous ones.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deltron80 0 #14 September 13, 2012 Quote Quote Women are now 'equal,' yet still favored in every area of life. Men are still disposable, while women are still to be protected. Men are still expected to be 'providers,' yet no longer receive any benefit for this service. Dunno about you, but I get laid a lot. I consider than a benefit. Good for you, but that's a pretty shabby benefit for a lifetime of slavery. If getting laid is your only priority it will probably be cheaper to just get prostitutes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,068 #15 September 13, 2012 I'll see your Youtube video and raise five news stories: =============== Garrison Woman Sentenced For Killing Husband With Van July 9, 2012 7:09 PM WALKER, Minn. (WCCO/AP) – A district court judge has sentenced a 62-year-old woman on Monday for using her van to strike and kill her estranged husband at his rural northern Minnesota home. ================ Woman Sentenced to 25 Years for Killing Husband UPDATE 2-21-2012 A Tallahassee woman convicted of killing her husband ... is now headed to prison for it. ================ Carrollton woman sentenced to 50 years for hiring a hitman for her ex Thursday, September 13, 2012 MCKINNEY — A Carrollton woman accused of hiring a hitman to kill her ex-husband has been sentenced to 50 years in prison after pleading guilty to conspiracy to commit capital murder. ================ Woman sentenced for conspiring to kill cancer-stricken husband March 23, 2012 A woman was sentenced Friday in Orange County to life in prison without parole for plotting the murder of her cancer-stricken third husband for her own financial gain. =============== Christiansburg woman sentenced in plot to kill husband Danielle Vinese McPeak pleaded no contest to plotting to kill her husband. Saturday, May 26, 2012 By Lerone Graham 381-8621 CHRISTIANSBURG — A woman who pleaded no contest in the killing of her estranged husband was sentenced Friday to serve 40 years in prison. =============== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #16 September 13, 2012 Quote The legal system is much more harsh towards men and issues less severe penalties for women for the same crimes...why? Because men typically have a history of committing more crime than women. The image that we think of for criminals is usually pretty correct. But I'd invite you to go to a women's prison some time. Find out what women are doing life for. And how often those life sentences are because they finally killed an abuser. Compare that to men. Quote Women are now 'equal,' yet still favored in every area of life. Men are still disposable, while women are still to be protected. Men are still expected to be 'providers,' yet no longer receive any benefit for this service. Oh, how your perceptions and reality don’t match. Quote Staying at home with the kids and surviving to old age sounds pretty darn good to me. How many wicked stepfathers were there in fairy tales? Oh, yeah. It was always the wicked stepmother. I believe you are looking at history through blueball colored glasses. Quote Men are now failing out of schools and make up less and less of the workforce. Usually these guys failing out don’t have fathers at home. Check out the stats. Quote A man who doesn't work is considered a deadbeat while a woman who doesn't work is basically just fine. Indeed. Because “welfare king” is a common term. Or is that “welfare queen?” Quote ~90% of workplace deaths are men Yes. Now what is the cause of these deaths? And how about those left behind? Think she’s got it easy? Quote ~97% of combat deaths since the Gulf War are men Women aren’t allowed in combat. That 3% are dying tells you something. Quote ~80% of suicides are men Thus, 80% of those left behind to cover for the dude who offed himself are women. Think it’s easy for a woman? Knowing a couple of female-led families with a husband/father who committed suicide, I will tell you that the average woman is tougher than 95% of men. Quote ~90% of homeless are men Right. Because women take care of their shit. Quote ~50% of domestic violence victims are men, yet they are ridiculed, not helped. No shelters, no protection from the law etc. (yes, women are weaker, but they tend to use weapons) Men kick the woman out and keep the place. Women just want to escape. Quote The legal system is much more harsh towards men and issues less severe penalties for women for the same crimes...why? You’re giving an opinion. Quote Women initiate divorce the majority of the time, yet men receive primary custody less than 10% of the time...why? Because the woman is the one who is primary caregiver, that’s why. Courts don’t give a shit about what the man or woman wants. It’s what is best for the child. If mom is the one who is home more with the kids, mom gets the kids. It’s that simple. If dad is a stay-at-home dad, guess who gets the kids? Quote Even without equal visitation rights, men are still expected to pay alimony and child support until death...why? The more visitation you get the less you pay in support. A father who is actively involved with his kids pays less in support to the mother because he’s busy supporting the kids when they are with him. Note – tell Kevin Federline how brutal the system is for fathers. Quote Men are still universally expected to take bullets for women as in the Dark Knight massacre...why? Men are not expected. But men do. They don’t have to. But if there’s anyone I’d want to take a bullet for me, right now you’re my choice. Quote No one gives a shit about all the male victims of rape in our prisons. Google “Prison Rape Elimination Act of 2003.” Quote Rape of women is a big deal, but rape of men is a JOKE. I’ve assraped guys like you who whine about this. Quote The woman has the privilege to decide whether a child is born, but the man is required by law to pay if she has the child. He has no choice not to pay. I’ve got four kids. My choice. I knew how to prevent them. My choice. Period. And they’re the best choices I’ve ever made. Quote Can anyone name one area in which women are still "disadvantaged" in Western society? I went to work a couple of hours after birth of children. I was at work the next morning. Then picked them up from the hospital and went to work again. Turns out I had an easier time of returning to work than my wife did. I had twelve seconds of work. My wife sat on that sock and was burdened the next nine months with significant changes to her body and lifestyle. When she was throwing up, I was watching South Park. Trust me – we’re advantaged. There’s a reason why women get pregnant instead of men – because men are pussies and can’t handle it. Quote I by no means think women shouldn't have equal rights. We should never go back to those old traditional gender roles. We just need to bring men up to date. You aren’t talking about rights. You’re talking about privileges. I don’t think anyone should be privileged. But how many guys can you think of that could lose a job because he knocked some woman up? How about women who faced the loss of a job for being pregnant? How many men need some dispensation to pump breast milk? Women do. They’ve got some significant disadvantages, bro. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #17 September 13, 2012 Quote Quote Women are now 'equal,' yet still favored in every area of life. Men are still disposable, while women are still to be protected. Men are still expected to be 'providers,' yet no longer receive any benefit for this service. Dunno about you, but I get laid a lot. I consider than a benefit. I'm married. Stop rubbing it in. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deltron80 0 #18 September 13, 2012 QuoteYou would have more support for your serious statements if they weren't surounded by ludicrous ones. Which ones are ludicrous? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydude2000 3 #19 September 13, 2012 I read your post, and then I conveniently found this: http://ca.shine.yahoo.com/blogs/love-sex/adopt-guy-parisian-pop-shop-sells-men-181500255.html I think you have a point. Just sayin'. PULL!! or DIE!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deltron80 0 #20 September 13, 2012 Spoken like a true mangina! Lots of ad hominem garbage and very little substance. Let's break it down... Quote Quote The legal system is much more harsh towards men and issues less severe penalties for women for the same crimes...why? Because men typically have a history of committing more crime than women. The image that we think of for criminals is usually pretty correct. But I'd invite you to go to a women's prison some time. Find out what women are doing life for. And how often those life sentences are because they finally killed an abuser. Compare that to men. ---Women typically commit proxy violence, not always direct, but the violence still occurs. Generally a man commits it for them and goes to jail, but they still initiated it. ---If a woman hits me first and I hit her back, I go to prison and she does not. ---Regardless of the type of crime, women will get a less harsh sentence for the exact same crime. You seem to think that's somehow justified by how men are perceived? Quote Women are now 'equal,' yet still favored in every area of life. Men are still disposable, while women are still to be protected. Men are still expected to be 'providers,' yet no longer receive any benefit for this service. Oh, how your perceptions and reality don’t match. ---Care to elaborate in some way? Quote Staying at home with the kids and surviving to old age sounds pretty darn good to me. How many wicked stepfathers were there in fairy tales? Oh, yeah. It was always the wicked stepmother. I believe you are looking at history through blueball colored glasses. ---Nice personal attack there. The guy sticking up for men's rights obviously just can't get laid! It's so simple! Thanks for proving my point. I'm just some disgruntled neckbeard. Feel free to ignore my humanity. Quote Men are now failing out of schools and make up less and less of the workforce. Usually these guys failing out don’t have fathers at home. Check out the stats. ---Exactly....and? All the men are in prison or have been discarded and are making a monthly payment. Quote A man who doesn't work is considered a deadbeat while a woman who doesn't work is basically just fine. Indeed. Because “welfare king” is a common term. Or is that “welfare queen?” ---Yea...and? So far we're agreeing on a lot of stuff lol Quote ~90% of workplace deaths are men Yes. Now what is the cause of these deaths? And how about those left behind? Think she’s got it easy? ---She has it easier than her dead husband, yes Quote ~97% of combat deaths since the Gulf War are men Women aren’t allowed in combat. That 3% are dying tells you something. ---lol? Quote ~80% of suicides are men Thus, 80% of those left behind to cover for the dude who offed himself are women. Think it’s easy for a woman? Knowing a couple of female-led families with a husband/father who committed suicide, I will tell you that the average woman is tougher than 95% of men. ---Society is tough on men so they kill themselves. But who gives a shit? They're just men. If 80% of suicides were women people would be up in arms. Quote ~90% of homeless are men Right. Because women take care of their shit. ---No, it's because men take care of shit for the ones that can't. No one does that for men. Quote ~50% of domestic violence victims are men, yet they are ridiculed, not helped. No shelters, no protection from the law etc. (yes, women are weaker, but they tend to use weapons) Men kick the woman out and keep the place. Women just want to escape. ---huh? actually male domestic violence is rarely reported. But it's funny when men get beaten by their wives isn't it? Haha stupid men. Quote The legal system is much more harsh towards men and issues less severe penalties for women for the same crimes...why? You’re giving an opinion. ---Not really. Can you disprove my statement with sentencing figures of women & men for the same crimes? Quote Women initiate divorce the majority of the time, yet men receive primary custody less than 10% of the time...why? Because the woman is the one who is primary caregiver, that’s why. Courts don’t give a shit about what the man or woman wants. It’s what is best for the child. If mom is the one who is home more with the kids, mom gets the kids. It’s that simple. If dad is a stay-at-home dad, guess who gets the kids? ---Exactly, it should be based on what's best for the kids, not arbitrarily on the gender of the parents. Family law is fucked. Quote Even without equal visitation rights, men are still expected to pay alimony and child support until death...why? The more visitation you get the less you pay in support. A father who is actively involved with his kids pays less in support to the mother because he’s busy supporting the kids when they are with him. Note – tell Kevin Federline how brutal the system is for fathers. ---Oh really? How generous of them. Nice job citing the one counter example in the entire nation. Usually it goes against the man. We don't all marry Britney Spears. How much did he get anyway? Quote Men are still universally expected to take bullets for women as in the Dark Knight massacre...why? Men are not expected. But men do. They don’t have to. But if there’s anyone I’d want to take a bullet for me, right now you’re my choice. ---Cool, thanks for wishing death on me. If I were a woman, people would be mad at you for that. Quote No one gives a shit about all the male victims of rape in our prisons. Google “Prison Rape Elimination Act of 2003.” ---That's a step in the right direction! They should start including men in the rape victim statistics. Quote Rape of women is a big deal, but rape of men is a JOKE. I’ve assraped guys like you who whine about this. ---Funny! Quote The woman has the privilege to decide whether a child is born, but the man is required by law to pay if she has the child. He has no choice not to pay. I’ve got four kids. My choice. I knew how to prevent them. My choice. Period. And they’re the best choices I’ve ever made. ---That's good, but lots of men do not get that choice. Quote Can anyone name one area in which women are still "disadvantaged" in Western society? I went to work a couple of hours after birth of children. I was at work the next morning. Then picked them up from the hospital and went to work again. Turns out I had an easier time of returning to work than my wife did. I had twelve seconds of work. My wife sat on that sock and was burdened the next nine months with significant changes to her body and lifestyle. When she was throwing up, I was watching South Park. Trust me – we’re advantaged. There’s a reason why women get pregnant instead of men – because men are pussies and can’t handle it. ---They're unequal based on their biology? So since they have kids and menstruate I need to be a second class citizen? How does that make sense? See stats I cited above. I'd rather go into labor than war. Quote I by no means think women shouldn't have equal rights. We should never go back to those old traditional gender roles. We just need to bring men up to date. You aren’t talking about rights. You’re talking about privileges. I don’t think anyone should be privileged. But how many guys can you think of that could lose a job because he knocked some woman up? How about women who faced the loss of a job for being pregnant? How many men need some dispensation to pump breast milk? Women do. ---I doubt any women get fired for those reasons. I know a lot of men get fired for sexual harassment though. They’ve got some significant disadvantages, bro. You've been co-opted by the feminists "bro." Have fun in your mangina bubble. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #21 September 13, 2012 Quote Ok, I'll give you the bathroom example...good one! Not as bad as getting shot in the face, but at least it's something. Any other examples you can think of? I listed way more ways men are oppressed. So which of my statistics were not true exactly? What do you mean by "reposted, I suspect"? Yes, these are all common issues discussed in the men's rights movement. Are you accusing me of plagiarism? lol It looked like a report rant. If not, great, you can try to fix it. Right now it's shit. Lawrocket covered it heavily. What stats are false? Men (boys) dropping out of school have themselves to blame for it. Girls are equally likely to have the same lousy home situation yet choose failure less frequently. While I won't badmouth (directly) a woman whose goal is to not work, I'm not going to date her either. I'm not interested in dependent, lazy women, no matter how hot. Women continue to be less equal in the workplace because of either the potential that they will get pregnant, or the reality of them doing so and being out of the workplace for months to years. They're often at a disadvantage also for refusing to work insane hours, but that's a choice both genders can make. I don't generally work 50,60,70 hour work weeks either. I already mentioned the fallacy behind the suicide stat. I seriously doubt that domestic violence victims are split 50/50, or think it's inappropriate to categorize all victims the same way. How often do you see the battered husband? Abused, certainly. You point out the inequity in the decision process over abortion/pregnancy, but as already noted, her body bears the brunt of the effort here, which isn't equal either. (I do hope that the sexual intercourse producing said child lasts longer than 12 seconds as it seemed to be for Lawrocket). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #22 September 13, 2012 QuoteI do hope that the sexual intercourse producing said child lasts longer than 12 seconds as it seemed to be for Lawrocket It wasn't intercourse. We're married. She must have sat on a used sock. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deltron80 0 #23 September 13, 2012 QuoteMen (boys) dropping out of school have themselves to blame for it. Girls are equally likely to have the same lousy home situation yet choose failure less frequently. And you don't think it has anything to do with how we raise boys versus girls? QuoteWhile I won't badmouth (directly) a woman whose goal is to not work, I'm not going to date her either. I'm not interested in dependent, lazy women, no matter how hot. Thank god times are finally changing in that respect! I bet you're still cool with paying for their dinners and buying expensive gifts and all that... QuoteWomen continue to be less equal in the workplace because of either the potential that they will get pregnant, or the reality of them doing so and being out of the workplace for months to years. They're often at a disadvantage also for refusing to work insane hours, but that's a choice both genders can make. I don't generally work 50,60,70 hour work weeks either. Exactly...so why are women still complaining about a pay gap? And why don't men also get maternity leave to be with their newborns? QuoteI already mentioned the fallacy behind the suicide stat. Yes, but the stat is still true. Men are killing themselves for a reason. I wonder what that is? They must just be stupid I guess. QuoteI seriously doubt that domestic violence victims are split 50/50, or think it's inappropriate to categorize all victims the same way. How often do you see the battered husband? Abused, certainly. If you research it you might be surprised. Also, a lot of domestic violence is initiated by the woman. i.e. woman hits man with chair, man hits woman, man goes to jail. Or maybe he doesn't hit her back. He's not going to report it either way. QuoteYou point out the inequity in the decision process over abortion/pregnancy, but as already noted, her body bears the brunt of the effort here, which isn't equal either. (I do hope that the sexual intercourse producing said child lasts longer than 12 seconds as it seemed to be for Lawrocket). Why should a man have to pay for a child he doesn't want when a woman tells him she took her pill and she didn't? The woman gets to choose whether to have the kid and the man gets to go to prison if he refuses to pay. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SivaGanesha 2 #24 September 13, 2012 QuoteIt will take another 30 years before this is recognized by the main stream as an issue. I believe there are legitimate concerns, but good fuckin' luck getting people to listen to you at this point. I think the pendulum is already beginning to swing back, though. I'm male and in my 40's. I don't have hard statistics but my impression is that young women today--early to mid 20's--are far less interested in feminism than the women of my generation and older were when they were young. Feminism has already won the younger generation of women most of what they could want/need so it is not as relevant as it once was. Again, I could be mistaken but it seems to me that the kind of intense, man hating, ball busting, bra burning feminism that I remember from my youth has largely gone out of style."It's hard to have fun at 4-way unless your whole team gets down to the ground safely to do it again!"--Northern California Skydiving League re USPA Safety Day, March 8, 2014 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,068 #25 September 13, 2012 >I bet you're still cool with paying for their dinners and buying expensive gifts and all that... I am. I'm also cool if someone does that for me. >Exactly...so why are women still complaining about a pay gap? Because there still is a pay gap. > And why don't men also get maternity leave to be with their newborns? We do. It's called paternity leave. >Yes, but the stat is still true. Men are killing themselves for a reason. I wonder what >that is? They must just be stupid I guess. Or they are mentally ill. I'd be hesitant to call a veteran with severe PTSD "stupid." >Also, a lot of domestic violence is initiated by the woman. i.e. woman hits man with >chair, man hits woman, man goes to jail. Yep. Or woman goes to jail. Depends: ================================= Cops: Woman charged after pelting husband with cupcakes 4:46 p.m. CDT, October 16, 2011 In the heat of a domestic dispute, a Chicago woman pelted her husband with cupcakes before police arrived to arrest her Saturday night, authorities said. . . . On Sunday morning, Cook County Circuit Judge Adam D. Bourgeois Jr. ordered electronic monitoring for the woman and a $10,000 bond. She is charged with a misdemeanor count of domestic battery. ================================== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites