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>There's a bias against men both on tv and in real life.

Agreed, it does exist. So does bias against women, both in TV and in real life.

There are biases everywhere in life, something that probably won't ever go away.

I think there are some real issues concerning men, but it's hard to have a serious conversation when people are exaggerating (slavery) and getting overly concerned with silly things like TV shows and commercials.

Mental health is one issue that stands out to me. I think men are much less likely to seek help when they need it, perhaps because that is perceived as a sign of weakness. The recent Sandusky trial was very disturbing to me, and it made me wonder about the rate of sexual abuse among boys and whether they were less likely than girls to ever tell anyone about it.

The abortion/child support thing is also worthy of consideration, though I believe that was beaten to death here before. It is unfair to men that the woman basically has the final say on carrying a pregnancy through or not, and that he may be held financially responsible if she does carry it through. But I've yet to see anyone offer a solution that would be fair to everyone involved.

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... and getting overly concerned with silly things like TV shows and commercials.

You doubt the power of tv shows and commercials to influence people's behavior?

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Mental health is one issue that stands out to me. I think men are much less likely to seek help when they need it, perhaps because that is perceived as a sign of weakness.

Possibly, but today I think that stigma may be a problem for both successful men and women...

My son's mother expressed several times that she needed mental help but felt it would ruin her career as a lawyer. We never got help primarily because of our egos, and now it's all fucked.

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The abortion/child support thing is also worthy of consideration, though I believe that was beaten to death here before. It is unfair to men that the woman basically has the final say on carrying a pregnancy through or not, and that he may be held financially responsible if she does carry it through. But I've yet to see anyone offer a solution that would be fair to everyone involved.

Well, everyone involved would include the child...how about both parents taking responsibility?

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... and getting overly concerned with silly things like TV shows and commercials.

You doubt the power of tv shows and commercials to influence people's behavior?

No, I don't. And there are a lot of things I don't like about what TV shows and commercials portray and therefore influence. But ultimately it is a choice to watch them.

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The only sitcom I regularly watch is 30 Rock, which doesn't seem to portray either gender as being more incompetent than the other. And there are even some dads in the show.

Show me any man on that show as smart as Tina Fey's character.

Her mentor, Jack.

Just saw a commercial on WGN for 30 Rock...reminded me of this thread:

Lemon: You're not thinking straight!
Jack: Not thinking is what makes this country great...

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The only sitcom I regularly watch is 30 Rock, which doesn't seem to portray either gender as being more incompetent than the other. And there are even some dads in the show.

Show me any man on that show as smart as Tina Fey's character.

Her mentor, Jack.

Just saw a commercial on WGN for 30 Rock...reminded me of this thread:

Lemon: You're not thinking straight!
Jack: Not thinking is what makes this country great...

That show pretty much makes fun of everyone.

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>The next time you see a man on TV get kicked in the nuts, which is just about every
>fight scene, imagine a woman getting kicked in the vagina or punched in the boob.

>Further imagine how well that would go over with the audience.

I am taking your advice and compiling a list of commercials for a few shows.

One of commercials is for Cox cable. A family is playing dodgeball to decide who gets to watch their show, and it gets acrimonious. (Tag line is, of course, get COX so you don't have to do this.) Man nails woman in the face; she doubles over and cries out in pain. He yells 'yes! in the face!" Then man hits woman in the breast. She then nails him in the balls and he collapses.

I haven't heard of any protests against COX Cable for their depictions of domestic violence against women. (or men for that matter.)

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>Watch a night's worth of prime time commercials with the thought in your mind that
>-maybe- they show men as being stupid and you -will- see the overwhelming trend.

OK just did that. I will tally the number of times men vs women are shown in a negative light.

FOX 6 - Simpsons - 7:30pm. Commercials:

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Swiffer - woman cleans shelf quickly, picks up a book and says "I'm actually going to read this!". Daughter then spoils the ending; mother throws the book away. (Woman as mean)

ITT Tech - men and women working diligently (no bias)

El Pollo Loco - two male chefs, one teaching the other how to "season" a taco salad (no negativity)

Nissan commercial - San diego man 'mike' likes to golf, loves his dogs and knows how to get a good deal on a car (no negativity)

Tempurpedic - two people sleeping comfortably (No negativity)

Ralphs - male and female checkout people promote the company (No negativity)

El Pollo Loco - Satiricial fancy chef cooking chicken, chef not shown (No negativity)

6 news - female and male anchors shown (No negativity although both looked pretty plastic)

Jack in the box - wife threatens to deny sex when Jack wins at scrabble (woman as manipulative)

Robinsons - 8 women are presented with rings. one faints, one does dance. (1 woman presented as weak)

Scripps - smoking too much pot? Join our study - man shown smoking pot (man as druggie)

Bausch and Lomb - no people shown

Marinello beuaty scoool - women praises school (no negativity)

network for healthy californa - moms talk about healty food (no negativity)

Cricket Wireless - no people

Ford Fiesta - no people shown

rubios - no people shown

NFL commercial - stylized football players shown running, man on top of trophy

ITT - men and women look back and are glad they went to ITT (no negativity)

Jeromes - male salesperson sells couches (no negativity)

Progresso - woman with blowtorch is shown the folly of trying to cook with a blowtorch (foolish woman)

Aforementioned COX ad. Woman is struck in face and breast; she doubles over in pain. Man is struck in genitals; he doubles over as well. (Men and women as victims.)
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5 women shown as being mean/victims/weak etc.
2 men shown as drug user and as victim.

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Next I went with Dr. Who on BBC-America to get another 'western" view.


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Car ad. No people.

Banking ad. Both parents shown. Man shown solving problem by paying for damages by kid who kicked a football through a window. Woman just holds other kid. No negativity although man is problem solver and woman is passive.

Dr. Who ad. Man shown rescuing unconscious woman. (woman as victim)

Home Depot. Men and women both fixing stuff up. (No negativity)

Smart car ad. Car being driven fast through parking lot, through tight spaces etc with a man driving. (No negativity)

Pharma commerrcial. Old guy chooses new "better" drug over old drug. (No negativity)

Cereal commercial with 4 couples:
-2 non-noteworthy couples
-1 couple with slob guy and professinal looking woman
-1 couple with normal looking guy and dizzy blonde hippy woman
So one dumb woman, one sloppy man

Kit kat commercial with equal balance of men/women playing guitars, painting etc (No negativity)

Oxiclean commercial with guy selling product (No negativity)

Medical liability lawyer commerical - no men/women

Dr. Who ad. Man shown rescuing unconscious woman. (Woman as victim)

Delta - Shows ATC controller (man) flight attendant (woman) many travelers. No negativity although standard sex roles (males as pilots/ATC personnel, women as flight attendants) is in evidence.

Goodyear, no people.

Mucinex - man is stuffy woman offers medication. Man portrayed as whiny.

Adaptiiv lenses - male/female using glasses. (No negativity)

Best exiotic marigold - (No negativity)

Etrade - no people (No negativity)

Insurance - dumb guy is lost (Man portrayed as dumb)

Temp agency. Reasonable male employee puts up with annoying emotional woman who cries and hugs him while he wants to work. (Whiny woman)

Action movie - male hero (No negativity)

Car commercial . Men and women look at car. (Fiat) (No negativity)

HTC commercial. Guy gets backpack kicked over ciff by goat. Men and women are hiking. Hard to say but probably guy is negative here because he's the "victim" of the goat and the resulting butt of the implied joke.

Aussie travel commercial - lots of people having fun (No negativity)

Reolve commercial. Woman cleans house. (No negativity)

Overstock.com. No people.

Dr. Who ad. Man shown rescuing unconscious woman. (woman as victim)

Smart car - no people

Kindle ad - shows family having fun with Kindle, no negativity

Ecig - Several people smoking ecigs. Man lists all the advantages of them. (no negativity)

"kaboom" wireless - female voice, no people shown (no negativity)

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4 men presented negatively - slob in house, whiny guy wants cold medicine, guy is lost, victim of goat.

5 women presented negatively - three women are victims in need of rescue, one is dizzy hippie chick, one is emotional inappropriate co worker.

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Great work. Keep it up. There was quite a difference between your first and second sample.

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I think we're missing the forest for the trees here...it's really not just about tv or the media. Or the law for that matter. It's about real life. It's about relationships.

Ask yourself, what expectations are placed on men and what expectations are placed on women? Most women expect too much and have too little to offer.

Women are taught from birth that they are special little snowflake princesses while men are taught they need to man up and just deal with shit. Women are human beings. Men are reduced to human doings.

Men are taught from day 1 that their wants, needs, and feelings don't matter and should be suppressed. This served an evolutionary then a societal need in the past. We don't need it anymore. People should be treated the same way and have the same expectations regardless of their gender.

People should stop coddling women and working just to impress them or they will continue to take advantage. Women's unrealistic demands have only gotten more out of control. They want to have their cake, eat it, then eat yours, then kick you out and continue to receive cake.

No thank you. A vaginal orifice is by no means worth a lifetime of cake.

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Post #107-109. Man gets too involved with how men are portrayed in media. (Neutral negativity)

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Hey, I don't think we're welcome in here. I think this may be a cry for men to get their own designated forum.

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Hey, I don't think we're welcome in here. I think this may be a cry for men to get their own designated forum.

Obviously, we are too privileged, pampered, and protected.

I would like to see them get their own forum here. It is bound to be interesting. They probably spill and tell more than women do.

Although we probably would be chastised for firing off one-liners. (darnit)

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>what expectations are placed on men and what expectations are placed on women?

Traditionally? The man supports the family and (generally) continues whatever he was doing before he was married i.e. working, skydiving etc. The woman gives up everything she was doing and takes care of kids, cleaning and cooking.

Which role would you rather take on?

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>what expectations are placed on men and what expectations are placed on women?

Traditionally? The man supports the family and (generally) continues whatever he was doing before he was married i.e. working, skydiving etc. The woman gives up everything she was doing and takes care of kids, cleaning and cooking.

Which role would you rather take on?

I would rather stay home with the kids in that ludicrous scenario, but what need is there to retain these arbitrary traditional roles?

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So we're all in agreement then. There's a bias against men both on tv and in real life.

No, I don't think I can agree with such a broad statement.

I bet we could agree there's a lot of whining going on in this thread. Grow a pair, boys...you're only showing that these commercials have you pegged right.

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So we're all in agreement then. There's a bias against men both on tv and in real life.

No, I don't think I can agree with such a broad statement.

I bet we could agree there's a lot of whining going on in this thread. Grow a pair, boys...you're only showing that these commercials have you pegged right.

If you're going to try to shame us into submission you could at least provide a little substance. Feminists have been whining for 100 years and you don't hear us telling them to "grow a pair." Why don't you grow a pair?

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>what expectations are placed on men and what expectations are placed on women?

Traditionally? The man supports the family and (generally) continues whatever he was doing before he was married i.e. working, skydiving etc. The woman gives up everything she was doing and takes care of kids, cleaning and cooking.

Which role would you rather take on?

I would rather stay home with the kids in that ludicrous scenario, but what need is there to retain these arbitrary traditional roles?

Why is that ludicrous? Don't your children need or deserve a full-time parent?

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>what expectations are placed on men and what expectations are placed on women?

Traditionally? The man supports the family and (generally) continues whatever he was doing before he was married i.e. working, skydiving etc. The woman gives up everything she was doing and takes care of kids, cleaning and cooking.

Which role would you rather take on?

I would rather stay home with the kids in that ludicrous scenario, but what need is there to retain these arbitrary traditional roles?

Why is that ludicrous? Don't your children need or deserve a full-time parent?

Dividing labor based solely on sex is ludicrous. One parent at home full time is good for the kids, but it doesn't need to be framed by gender.

Why do you assume women are better suited to stay at home? We need to eliminate traditional assumptions from the equation.

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>what expectations are placed on men and what expectations are placed on women?

Traditionally? The man supports the family and (generally) continues whatever he was doing before he was married i.e. working, skydiving etc. The woman gives up everything she was doing and takes care of kids, cleaning and cooking.

Which role would you rather take on?

I would rather stay home with the kids in that ludicrous scenario, but what need is there to retain these arbitrary traditional roles?

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overly concerned with silly things like TV shows and commercials.

If the TV shows and commercials are just silly things then whats with all the whining about skinny women in the ads?

Your rights end where my feelings begin.

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overly concerned with silly things like TV shows and commercials.

If the TV shows and commercials are just silly things then whats with all the whining about skinny women in the ads?

You'll have to ask someone who whines about skinny women in ads.

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>I would rather stay home with the kids in that ludicrous scenario

Cool. And you can do that if you so choose. (Although I would guess you'd discover the reality is a little different than your image of it.)

>but what need is there to retain these arbitrary traditional roles?

I don't know. You keep complaining about them so I imagine you see a need for retaining them.

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overly concerned with silly things like TV shows and commercials.

If the TV shows and commercials are just silly things then whats with all the whining about skinny women in the ads?

Sensitive people who may have a low self esteem will often resent commercials they can't live up to and/or bitch about inaccuracies because they seem to view commercials as some type of public service announcement rather than a means to sell a product.

Beautiful healthy women glorify a product.

Men being depicted as idiots in a commercials says only one thing, "don't be an idiot, buy our product."

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