What Happens if You Make a Film That Offends Muslims

[Gravitymaster 0]

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/09/anti-muslim-film-nakoula-basseley-innocence-muslims.html

I wonder what the response from the Muslims when "Killing Bin Laden" hits the theaters just in time for the elections? Will the Obama sympathetic film makers receive the same level of "inquiry"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xt4qTQ0Uxec

How many Americans will lose their lives when this film offends Muslims worldwide?

[quade 4]

Two completely different cases.

Have you watched the "trailer" for "Innocence of the Muslims" yet?

I don't think nearly as many Muslims give a rats as about bin Laden as they do Mohammed. The US equivalent to the bin Laden film would be somebody in Saudi Arabia making a film about how evil Erik Prince is.

Contrast that with how some Americans reacted to say, Mel Gibson's "Passion of the Christ." Sure, nobody died, but it also wasn't nearly as offensive.

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[Marinus 0]

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Contrast that with how some Americans reacted to say, Mel Gibson's "Passion of the Christ." Sure, nobody died, but it also wasn't nearly as offensive.

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Those Americans didn't react to that flick with violence. That's not some funny detail. It's an extremely important difference. I'm gay, and Islam is a never-ending source of grievous insults directed at my kind. You know why I don't run around lynching random Muslims? Because I'm not a bloody primitive savage that throws a tantrum like a 4yo every time my precious feewings are huwt.

Besides doe we really respect Muslims if we give in to the demands of the zealot nut-cases? Last tim I checked, 99,999% or so of the Muslims aren't rioting because of that movie.

[Gravitymaster 0]

Thanks for pointing out how they are different. How they are similar is they both have the potential to inflame a small % of the Muslim population. In the case of "Innocence of Muslims" many, including our own President and Secretary of State, are pointing to it as being the cause of our Embassy's being sacked and the deaths of 4 of our Diplomats. Others are pointing to Al Qaeda and saying they intentionally inflamed the rioters, using the movie as a flashpoint.

Now, the filmmaker of Innocence of Muslims has been taken into custody for voluntary questioning. What voluntary questioning could he possibly be taken in for? Doesn't this sound as if it's just another way to stifle free speech? Similar to confiscating someones automobile under the guise of it being from ill gotten means such as tax evasion or criminal activity, and then requiriing the person to prove they haven't engaged in such activity? Are they going to charge him with "yelling fire in a cowded theater"?

What will happen to the makers of "Killing Bin Laden" in contrast if Al Qaeda uses it as a reason to kill more Americans because they view it as "Spiking the Football"? If that happens, will those involved in making that film, be taken into custody for questioning?

[GeorgiaDon 379]

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Now, the filmmaker of Innocence of Muslims has been taken into custody for voluntary questioning. What voluntary questioning could he possibly be taken in for? Doesn't this sound as if it's just another way to stifle free speech?

Well, the fellow is on probation after being convicted of, and serving jail time, for bank fraud. Part of his probation agreement is that he has to make restitution (totally over $700,000) to the people he defrauded. According to this article from CNN, the terms of his probation include no access to computers or the internet, and it is also not clear if he has made any restitution to his victims. It seems reasonable to me to make inquiries as to how the movie got made, and ended up on you tube. If he used any of his own money to make the movie instead of repaying his victims, and if he was responsible for it being placed on you tube, then it would seem he has violated his parole, and should be returned to jail to finish his sentence.

Of course, it wouldn't be the first time a political activist claimed "oppression" to escape being held accountable for unrelated criminal behavior.

Don

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[riggerrob 643]

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... Have you watched the "trailer" for "Innocence of the Muslims" yet? ...

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Yes!
"Innocence of the Muslims" is a poorly written, poorly staged, poorly costumed, poorly acted "D" grade movie. After a couple of minutes I concluded that it was worse than a waste of time!

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... Contrast that with how some Americans reacted to say, Mel Gibson's "Passion of the Christ." Sure, nobody died, but it also wasn't nearly as offensive.

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"Passion of the Christ"was pretty close to the written record. The most amusing part was listening to actors speaking aramaic with Germanic/North American accents!
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Hard-core moslem fanatics would also get offended by this harsh portrayal of one of the their major prophets (Jesus Christ).

[jakee 1,564]

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Now, the filmmaker of Innocence of Muslims has been taken into custody for voluntary questioning. What voluntary questioning could he possibly be taken in for?

Why post an article you haven't read?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[billvon 3,076]

>What Happens if You Make a Film That Offends Muslims

Mitt Romney condemns you.

[matthewcline 0]

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>What Happens if You Make a Film That Offends Muslims

Mitt Romney condemns you.

And the POTUS, by Proxy, through WH Staff and the Sec of State.

Matt

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So, start being safe, first!!!

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I wonder what the response from the Muslims when "Killing Bin Laden" hits the theaters just in time for the elections?

I doubt many if any Muslims will give a shit.

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[ryoder 1,590]

This sums it up nicely:
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/human_nature/2012/09/mohammed_movie_embassy_attacks_don_t_let_internet_videos_drive_you_to_violence_.html

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[Gravitymaster 0]

Yes it does. Thanks for posting that summary.

[billvon 3,076]

>And the POTUS, by Proxy, through WH Staff and the Sec of State.

If you do that, then shouldn't we blame all embassies? And if the system of US embassies is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of the federal government in general? I put it to you, Greg ... isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do what you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America! Gentlemen!

(with apologies to Otter)

[Gravitymaster 0]

Make fun of it all you want. The fact is, that's exactly what's been done. In the face of all the rioting, suicide bombings, beheadings, and other atrocities commited by radical Muslims, the Obama Admin. would have us believe a stupid, poorly done You Tube video spurred an unplanned attack on the 11th year anniversary of 911. We are supposed to believe that a couple of people were just walking by the U.S. Emabassy and just happened to have an RPG and got caught up in the moment that was started by this film.

[rushmc 23]

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>What Happens if You Make a Film That Offends Muslims

Mitt Romney condemns you.

As did Sec Clinton

Then fed officers pull you in for questioning

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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Make fun of it all you want. The fact is, that's exactly what's been done. In the face of all the rioting, suicide bombings, beheadings, and other atrocities commited by radical Muslims, the Obama Admin. would have us believe a stupid, poorly done You Tube video spurred an unplanned attack on the 11th year anniversary of 911. We are supposed to believe that a couple of people were just walking by the U.S. Emabassy and just happened to have an RPG and got caught up in the moment that was started by this film.

This violence (as you post here) has had nothing to do with this movie

This was a planned attack

But that would make to Obama admin look bad so this Admin blames a shitty movie

Gotta make a person proud huh

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Skyrad 0]

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This sums it up nicely:
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/human_nature/2012/09/mohammed_movie_embassy_attacks_don_t_let_internet_videos_drive_you_to_violence_.html

Very good. I particularly like the final line ' God is too great to be troubled by the insults of fools. Follow Him'.

I've often wondered at religious zelots of all hues who feel that they must take action on God's behalf, if he made the universe and everything in it I'm pretty sure he can take direct action himself if required.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[Gravitymaster 0]

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Make fun of it all you want. The fact is, that's exactly what's been done. In the face of all the rioting, suicide bombings, beheadings, and other atrocities commited by radical Muslims, the Obama Admin. would have us believe a stupid, poorly done You Tube video spurred an unplanned attack on the 11th year anniversary of 911. We are supposed to believe that a couple of people were just walking by the U.S. Emabassy and just happened to have an RPG and got caught up in the moment that was started by this film.

This violence (as you post here) has had nothing to do with this movie

This was a planned attack

But that would make to Obama admin look bad so this Admin blames a shitty movie

Gotta make a person proud huh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVvn5QNnAEE

[jakee 1,564]

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This was a planned attack

But that would make to Obama admin look bad

Why?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[rushmc 23]

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This was a planned attack

But that would make to Obama admin look bad

Why?

They had two days warning

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

To follow up

The Obama admin say the attacks are in responce to a youtube film

Lybia is saying they gave the embassy 3 days warning and what the Obama admin is saying is wrong

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/17/obama-administration-libyan-president-clash-over-explanation-on-consulate/



http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/15/world/meast/libya-diplomats-warning/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jakee 1,564]

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To follow up

The Obama admin say the attacks are in responce to a youtube film

Lybia is saying they gave the embassy 3 days warning and what the Obama admin is saying is wrong

Two points:

1) Your links do not say the US had 3 days warning of an attack - they say the US was told security in the area was, in general, was getting worse.

2) Surely it makes the Obama admin look bad if they blame the film and it turns out to be untrue, not if they don't blame the film?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[Coreece 190]

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This violence (as you post here) has had nothing to do with this movie

Well not as much as people seem to believe...but it did play a small part.

What amazes me is how all of a sudden al Qaeda seems to need a "reason" to attack...they're getting soft.

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

[billvon 3,076]

>But that would make to Obama admin look bad . . .

Not too much worry about that; Romney looks so bad in comparison no one is heeding the conspiracy theories on Obama.

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Romney shoots himself in foot over attack gaffe
By Nick O'Malley, Washington
Sept. 14, 2012, 3 a.m.

MITT Romney's accusation that the Obama administration's response to the attacks on US embassies was to ''apologise'' for American values has been condemned not only by Democrats but by some senior Republicans.

One went as far as suggesting the campaign had suffered a ''Lehman moment'' after the supposedly fatal stumble Republican senator John McCain's campaign made in response to the financial crisis during the last election.

On Tuesday just after 10pm, Mr Romney released a statement saying, ''The Obama administration's first response was not to condemn attacks on our diplomatic missions, but to sympathise with those who waged the attacks.'' A short time later it was confirmed the American ambassador to Libya had been killed.

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They argued that Mr Romney had failed to support America's commander-in-chief during what may turn out to be a co-ordinated terrorist attack and that he had failed to abide by the convention of bipartisanship during crisis and the political truce observed on the anniversary of the September 11, 2001, attacks.

In a nutshell, they suggested Mr Romney was not presidential.

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Yesterday high-profile Republicans, including Speaker of the House John Boehner, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor and Senator McCain, condemned the Benghazi and Cairo violence, but notably did not echo Mr Romney's attack on the administration.

''This is, above all, a reminder that politics should end at the water's edge,'' said the Republican John Huntsman, who was Mr Obama's first ambassador to China.

Off the record some Republicans were reportedly lamenting Romney's ''disaster''.

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