More foot in mouth for Gov. Etch a Sketch

[RonD1120 62]

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>My connection with Romney supporters are middle class conservatives and heterosexual.

No combat military, I guess, since they're included in that 47% of deadbeats.

That statement makes no sense to me.

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[RonD1120 62]

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Ouch

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnB0NZzl5HA&feature=player_embedded

Right on target. Romney needs the swing voters. The 47% piglets will continue to suckle the government sow, no matter what.

He is discussing how to win the election not how to subsidize genocide.

The 47% piglets you refer to are - look in the mirror, genius. Romney is talking about YOU!!

You are suckling the government teat. Social Security and Medicare, by your own admission. So much for your right wing beliefs... you are happy to take the bennies when they come to you. You don't want the same bennies to go to other folks, especially the black and brown ones.

How much was your income tax bill for 2011?

Ignorance can be corrected. Stupidity cannot.

Well, just as I explained above, I paid into that system with payroll deductions.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[billvon 2,998]

>That statement makes no sense to me.

"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what . . . These are people who pay no income tax. my job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."

Active-combat military are part of "those people" who pay no income tax.

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>Active-combat military are part of "those people" who pay no income tax.

that really sucks - so I guess with Romney calling them leeches and Obama trying to keep them from voting - they are likely the most oppressed class in our society

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>That statement makes no sense to me.

"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what . . . These are people who pay no income tax. my job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."

Active-combat military are part of "those people" who pay no income tax.

If you actually think that's what he was referring to, then I hardly know what to say. I guess he was right, there is 47% that would never vote for him no matter what he did. Other than promise them a government hand-out, that is.

[billvon 2,998]

>If you actually think that's what he was referring to, then I hardly
>know what to say.

That's what he literally was saying. "These people who pay no income tax don't take responsibility for themselves." It is likely that if he had actually thought through his statement he wouldn't have said it. Unfortunately he (and his supporters) are now defending what he said, rather than saying "yeah, he misspoke."

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The 47% piglets will continue to suckle the government sow, no matter what.

Have you renounced that social security and medicare yet, Ron?

Don

No, I paid for those through payroll deductions.

Indeed you did, and so you are entitled to them. Nevertheless, it puts you in with the 47%. Which just goes to illustrate the clueless nature of Romney's comments; he obviously doesn't know you (or anyone like you) very well if he thinks you're voting for Obama just because you collect from a government entitlement plan.

Don

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The 47% piglets will continue to suckle the government sow, no matter what.

Have you renounced that social security and medicare yet, Ron?

Don

No, I paid for those through payroll deductions.

According to the right wing pundits y'all are so fond of, SS and Medicare are huge Ponzi schemes that are doomed to fail.

Ron, if you live an average lifespan, you will have taken tens of thousands MORE than you actually put into the system via payroll deductions. The extra money you get will come out of other people's payroll deductions.

That would make you a socialist scumbag, if the pundits you believe in are correct. You will have personally benefited from other people's paying your bills, via a government takeaway tax redirected in your favor.

When calling people socialists, be sure to be looking in a mirror when you do it.

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Ron, if you live an average lifespan, you will have taken tens of thousands MORE than you actually put into the system via payroll deductions. The extra money you get will come out of other people's payroll deductions.

But if I had kept this money, I would have ended up with HUNDREDS of thousands MORE money.

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Ron, if you live an average lifespan, you will have taken tens of thousands MORE than you actually put into the system via payroll deductions. The extra money you get will come out of other people's payroll deductions.

But if I had kept this money, I would have ended up with HUNDREDS of thousands MORE money.

Wild speculation on your part. Investments in anything are no guarantee of success. Hell, he could have lost everything in just the tech bubble.

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[funjumper101 15]

Comment from an LATimes online story. I could not have said it better, or in as few words.

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The way Romney sees it...

If you are rich and pay no taxes, you are smart and deserve it.
However, if you are poor and pay no taxes, then you are leeches sucking the life out America.

[RonD1120 62]

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>That statement makes no sense to me.

"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what . . . These are people who pay no income tax. my job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."

Active-combat military are part of "those people" who pay no income tax.

You all now so far out in left field you are making asinine statements.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[billvon 2,998]

>You all now so far out in left field you are making asinine statements.

Really? You think military personnel in combat situations pay income tax? I suspect you've never met any such people if you really think that.

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>You all now so far out in left field you are making asinine statements.

Really? You think military personnel in combat situations pay income tax? I suspect you've never met any such people if you really think that.

Yeah, I'm sure those were the people Romney was talking about.

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From the NYT.

September 18, 2012
Mitt Romney, Class Warrior
It turns out that Mitt Romney was right. There is class warfare being waged in the 2012 campaign. It is Mr. Romney who is waging it, not President Obama, and he’s stood the whole idea on its head.

When you think of class warfare, you probably think of inciting anger, resentment and jealousy among the have-nots against the haves. That’s what Mr. Romney has accused Mr. Obama of doing, but those charges have always been false. The truth is that Mr. Romney has been trying to incite the anger of a small slice of the richest Americans who need no government assistance but get it anyway, against the working poor, older Americans, the disabled workers and veterans, and even a significant chunk of middle-class Americans.

That was the message of remarks that Mr. Romney made in May at a private fund-raiser held at a private equity manager’s estate in Florida, a moment when he thought he was safe from annoying reporters and cameramen, and other Americans who are not rich enough to have bought a ticket to the event.

A video made public on Monday by the magazine Mother Jones showed a Mitt Romney who felt free to speak candidly about his campaign and how he would conduct a presidency. In that safe zone, Mr. Romney spoke with a bone-chilling cynicism and a revolting smugness. If he is elected, he said, capital will come back and “we’ll see — without actually doing anything — we’ll actually get a boost in the economy.” That’s the state of trickle-down economics in the 21st century.

Gone was the pretense that he will be a president of all Americans. Mr. Romney rather neatly divided the country between the people who matter and the 47 percent he does not care about.

To Mr. Romney, that 47 percent consists of people who do not make enough money to be required to pay federal income tax. They are freeloaders, he said, “who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it.” It is not his job, he said, as a candidate nor apparently as president if he is elected, “to worry about those people.”

By his definition, those undeserving freeloaders include workers in low-paying, menial jobs (sometimes more than one job) who don’t even earn $9,750 a year, the amount at which they would start to owe federal income tax. Also included are older Americans whose Social Security pensions are too low to be taxed, disabled veterans and people who were maimed on the job.

This group also includes some middle-income Americans who make, say, $50,000 a year but are not required to pay taxes after they take advantage of child credits, marriage penalty relief and other tax breaks, many of which are part of the Bush-era tax cuts that Mr. Romney backs with a blind ideological fervor.

But, of course, Mr. Romney was not talking about the Americans who make so much money that they are able to avoid paying any tax at all or who, like him, are able to shelter their incomes in overseas banks or tax loopholes that permit them to pretend that ordinary income comes from investment and thus pay lower taxes. Mr. Romney has been paying, by his own account, about 13 percent to 15 percent of his enormous income in federal income taxes. Just compare that with your own tax return.

Everything about Mr. Romney’s characterization of this mythical slice of lazy, shiftless Americans was wrong. A vast majority of Americans pay federal taxes, either income tax or payroll taxes for Social Security and Medicare — or both — as well as other federal fees. They also pay state and local taxes and sales taxes.

The government’s revenue problem does not start with the poor but with the richest people, through the Bush tax cuts and other changes. The tax cuts for the richest people should expire now, and the middle-class cuts should do so eventually. But that will not happen as long as people like Mr. Romney protect the rich by turning the working poor and middle class into the enemy.

Mr. Romney may have been talking about electoral tactics: those people are going to vote for Mr. Obama, so let’s concentrate on our kind of people. It’s also possible that he was mouthing the words of the extreme right without really believing them. But all the possible explanations say terrible things about Mr. Romney’s character.

The right wing has long been whining about people who don’t pay taxes and who, therefore, don’t deserve a say in government. They have it backward. The shame is not that those people don’t pay income taxes. The shame is how many poor people there are when the top 1 percent can amass uncountable fortunes fed by tax breaks and can donate tens of millions of dollars to political candidates to keep it that way.




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[kelpdiver 2]

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But if I had kept this money, I would have ended up with HUNDREDS of thousands MORE money.

Wild speculation on your part. Investments in anything are no guarantee of success. Hell, he could have lost everything in just the tech bubble.

zero speculation on my part. basic math, really.

If I dumped my money in muni bonds I'd still do better. 10k per year for 35 years equals millions with a very conservative mix of bonds and index funds, avoiding any danger of emotional decision making or risk.

[RonD1120 62]

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>You all now so far out in left field you are making asinine statements.

Really? You think military personnel in combat situations pay income tax? I suspect you've never met any such people if you really think that.

The fact that you think they are part of the 47% that will vote for BHO regardless is beyond remarkable.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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>You all now so far out in left field you are making asinine statements.

Really? You think military personnel in combat situations pay income tax? I suspect you've never met any such people if you really think that.

The fact that you think they are part of the 47% that will vote for BHO regardless is beyond remarkable.

Funny watching you, along with other apologists, trying to claim that Mitt didn't mean what he said.

That's Mitt's problem - he doesn't actually stand for anything except getting himself elected, so he says anything he thinks the audience wants to hear.

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[billvon 2,998]

>The fact that you think they are part of the 47% that will vote for BHO
>regardless is beyond remarkable.

I don't. I didn't make the statement about that 47%; Romney did.

[kallend 2,027]

Looks like Peggy Noonan in the WSJ reckons his campaign is a shambles.

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At some point, poor and middle-class Republicans need to connect all of these tiny, seemingly unrelated dots to see the bigger picture: These are not gaffes by Mitt Romney. This is Mitt Romney.

[RonD1120 62]

What makes me so sad is that you and the other liberals in this forum actually believe that Romney is not good for the economy in America.

You tout the benefits of education. Then you deny the worth of Romney's education and experience. Your volition makes no sense to me.

You support a man with no business experience, has a corrupted administration, seeks advice from people with anti-American ideologies, desires to reduce the power of the U.S. in the world, wants increase the size of the servant class and has clearly demonstrated a serious lack of leadership quality.

If BHO is re-elected the American dream is over. America will be defined as a land of lost opportunity. More and more people will simply give up, as the numbers on the unemployment records indicate. More and more people will see themselves as victims.

Your ability to enjoy skydiving and other recreation will be reduced due to the lack of disposable income. The quality of your lifestyle will be diminished.

Maybe that is what half of the Americans want, the desire to be a gross underachiever with the Bart Simpson mentality.

I support and believe in the other half. I believe if we turn the economy around and increase disposable income we will regain what we have lost.

As Scotty Hamilton, HALO pioneer and aviation lawyer, said in an article in Parachutist on malfunctions, "If you are going to go in, don't go easy."

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[rushmc 23]

"yeah, he misspoke."

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>You all now so far out in left field you are making asinine statements.

Really? You think military personnel in combat situations pay income tax? I suspect you've never met any such people if you really think that.

Yeah, I'm sure those were the people Romney was talking about.

He knows better

He is getting desperate

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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>You all now so far out in left field you are making asinine statements.

Really? You think military personnel in combat situations pay income tax? I suspect you've never met any such people if you really think that.

The fact that you think they are part of the 47% that will vote for BHO regardless is beyond remarkable.

Funny watching you, along with other apologists, trying to claim that Mitt didn't mean what he said.

That's Mitt's problem - he doesn't actually stand for anything except getting himself elected, so he says anything he thinks the audience wants to hear.

Agains dear teacher, who here is saying he didnt mean what he said

We are standing up against the likes of you and billvon trying to expand what he said to groups like the military
That is just sad or worse on your part

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln