SkydiveJonathan 0 #126 September 19, 2012 QuoteQuote For a single mother with two kids, that's $4,000 a year beneath the poverty level. do you think she should get paid more for the same work than a single mother with one kid? just wondering Raising it to $10 an hour would elevate 30 million hardworking Americans now paid a poverty or near-poverty level income. While it would still be tough to raise a family on a $10-an-hour wage ($20,800 a year), it does move our country a lot closer to the principle that work ought to be fairly rewarded, restoring a measure of ethics to the work ethic. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #127 September 19, 2012 Quote>Where are the ethics in a "work ethic" that rewards so many with >paychecks that deliberately hold them in poverty? And forces them to get flat tires every time they try to drive their way out of poverty! Just have the government buy them new tires. Problem solved. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lefty 0 #128 September 19, 2012 QuoteWhile it would still be tough to raise a family on a $10-an-hour wage ($20,800 a year), it does move our country a lot closer to the principle that work ought to be fairly rewarded, restoring a measure of ethics to the work ethic. See if whatever source you're pasting from has a explanation of how a "fair" work to reward ratio is determined.Provoking a reaction isn't the same thing as saying something meaningful. -Calvin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveJonathan 0 #129 September 19, 2012 The public is overwhelmingly behind the increase. This June, a Zogby Analytics survey of likely voters found seven out of 10 supporting a raise above $10 an hour (including 54 percent of Republicans). Notably, 71 percent of young people (18 to 23 years old) favored it. Likewise, last November's "American Values Survey" by the Public Religion Research Institute showed two-thirds of Americans in favor of a $10-per-hour minimum. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #130 September 19, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuote For a single mother with two kids, that's $4,000 a year beneath the poverty level. do you think she should get paid more for the same work than a single mother with one kid? just wondering Raising it to blah blah blah ethic. if you won't answer my question, just say so ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveJonathan 0 #131 September 19, 2012 About three-fifths of the 47 percent are working and making less than $20,000 a year. However, they still pay payroll taxes (Social Security, Medicare, unemployment) and spend an average of 12.3 percent of their incomes on state and local taxes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 362 #132 September 19, 2012 Can you make mine a fat tire? Flat tire makes my mouth taste like rubber and asphalt. Thanks! Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #133 September 19, 2012 QuoteA study last year by Chicago's Federal Reserve Bank found that every dollar increase in the minimum wage produces an immediate bump in the next year of $2,800 per recipient in consumer purchases of everything from kids' shoes to vehicles. The Economic Policy Institute (EPI) reported in a 2009 study that even a boost to $9.50 an hour would result in $30 billion a year in new consumer spending. That's a neat trick, since a $1/hr increase would only result in a gross increase of $2000 in income (50 weeks/year at 40 hours/week) Even if we presume 0 taxation, which is not accurate (FICA taxes). Are they charging that extra $800 to their credit card? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #134 September 19, 2012 QuoteQuote If it was higher more workers would pay income tax. You pay income tax on unemployment benefits? This is normally the case, yes. (For California) The benefits are free from state income taxes, but is still taxed at the federal level. Now if you never worked in the year, the amount would likely fall below taxable minimums. But if you were unemployed for 3 or 6 months and worked the other part of the year, then yes, you certainly would be paying income taxes on this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,995 #135 September 19, 2012 >Just have the government buy them new tires. Problem solved. 47% of the people in the country are worthless cretins who use government tire assistance programs! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #136 September 19, 2012 This line of argument tires me out. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #137 September 19, 2012 QuoteThis line of argument tires me out. The argument has gotten a little flat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #138 September 19, 2012 QuoteQuoteThis line of argument tires me out. The argument has gotten a little flat. nonsense, we seem to be getting a lot of mileage out of it ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #139 September 19, 2012 Quote Quote I blame the minimum wage being set too low. You'd blame a flat tire on the minimum wage being set too low. LOL!!!Damn coffee all over my keyboard!!"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #140 September 19, 2012 Quote>Just have the government buy them new tires. Problem solved. 47% of the people in the country are worthless cretins who use government tire assistance programs! Sorry you feel that way"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davjohns 1 #141 September 19, 2012 QuoteQuote Kallend is distorting things again. How is quoting verbatim, in their entirety, several paragraph's of Romney's speech "distorting" anything? Quoting is fine. What you wrote, however, was: So Romney doesn't care about 47% of US voters. They are tax dodgers. Funny coming from a guy who pays tax at a lower rate than most middle class Obama supporters. He didn't say anything about whether he cared about anyone. He said his job (as a candidate) is to not worry about votes he can't win. Kind of stating the obvious, but you distorted it into something it wasn't. He didn't call anyone tax dodgers. He said they don't pay taxes. He said they have a sense of entitlement and think the government should take care of them. Tax dodging is a criminal offense. He just said they are playing the system and will not be swayed with talk of tax cuts and persuaded to vote for him. You distorted it.I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
muff528 3 #142 September 19, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteThis line of argument tires me out. The argument has gotten a little flat. nonsense, we seem to be getting a lot of mileage out of it But it seems to be losing traction. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,995 #143 September 19, 2012 >Sorry you feel that way On the plus side, that means that 53% of the country has tires that are just fine. I'm a tire-half-full kind of guy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #144 September 19, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteThis line of argument tires me out. The argument has gotten a little flat. nonsense, we seem to be getting a lot of mileage out of it I'm not seeing any traction on this issue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #145 September 19, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteThe 47% piglets will continue to suckle the government sow, no matter what. Have you renounced that social security and medicare yet, Ron? Don No, I paid for those through payroll deductions. Your buddy rushmc doesn't care. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,995 #146 September 19, 2012 >No, I paid for those through payroll deductions. Ah, so you feel you are entitled to those services. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #147 September 19, 2012 Quote http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/09/19/colbert-delivers-elegant-version-of-romneys-47-percent-speech/ Hilarious No shit! Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 801 #148 September 19, 2012 Man I wish BOTH sides would stop pointing fingers, slinging mud, telling lies, and manipulating everything said and being said. Please start talking issues. We are in a pretty fucked place right now and issues aren't being discussed. They are simply pointing at each other and yelling Tit and Tat. It's downright embarrassing given the issues on the table. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,995 #149 September 19, 2012 >Please start talking issues. OK so give it a whirl. How about the debt? We have to cut spending and raise taxes. Neither candidate is willing to do both. Your position? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 801 #150 September 19, 2012 Both. Pretty much across the board. It's the only thing that will start making positive progress. It's gonna hurt. You? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
