jakee 1,489 #76 October 21, 2012 Quote The left wingers here are constantly arguing facts about this and that but, the main fact is BHO is divisive and people are fearful. Ironically the things that you fear are the rumours and falsehoods spread by right wingers about Obama.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #77 October 21, 2012 QuoteWow! I would never have thought that a highly technical professional parachutist held the belief that all AK-47's were full auto. I don't mean that as a put down. I am just surprised. Yeah. Because, obviously, they are such closely interrelated fields. QuoteEcclesiastes 10(NKJV) 10:2 A wise man’s heart is at his right hand, But a fool’s heart at his left.~Right Wing/Left Wing If you're having a competition with yourself to see how obnoxious you can be then congratulations, you're winning. Way to go Mr Inclusive!Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #78 October 21, 2012 Quote Quote You just showed your lack of knowledge of firearms. The AK47 fires a smaller round (7.62x39mm) than your standard .308 hunting rifle fires (7.62x51mm). Your standard hunting rifle is a lot more powerful than an AK47. Doesn't matter much. An AK is still powerful enough to kill people, lots of them, in a small amount of time. It's not so much the size of the bullet, but the ability to shoot fast without reloading. The darned things are a menace to society. How many people are kiiled every year using a knife? its the weapon of choice for terrorists when decapitating hostages. Yet you use one everyday and manage to restrain yourself from using it to lop off a waitresses head. Maybe they should be banned to darned menace to societyWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #79 October 21, 2012 QuoteQuoteEven if he imposes more idiotic attempts to impede 2nd amendment rights, that will not lower the number of crimes committed with firearms. Banning firearms does not stop criminals from having or using them. All it stops are those people who want to own them legally. If there are fewer guns in circulation, of the type used in crimes, then there will be fewer people who can use them to commit crimes. It's just common sense. Less guns, less crime. That i a simplistic argument which does not stand up to even the most fleeting of glances. A) Any firearm can be used in crime, in Australia and the UK that includes black powder handguns. Make one type harder to obtain and people who want to commit crime will just use another or improvise a firearm. B) Less guns does not mean less offences committed using firearms, they banned the majority of handguns in the UK and firearms being used in offences has risen not fallen. C) Switzerland has a military assault rifle in most houses yet they have one of the lowest rate of firearm related crime in Europe. D) Your argument does not take in to account the culture of the USA which is one of the biggest drivers of firearm crime. E) If you reduce the amount of firearms in circulation all you do is drive up the price, people who want them will still get them.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #80 October 21, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteObama did say in the debate that he wants to ban assault weapons, and well he should. Nobody needs to own those high-powered guns. The only thing they're good for is killing large numbers of people. You don't need an AK47 to deer hunt. There are a lot of things we don't 'need' in life, can you imagine what a bland and boring world it would be if you were only allowed to own that which you needed to own? When it comes to guns used to commit mass murder, I think we can manage without 'em. There are plenty of other guns you can have to satisfy your gun fever. So that's not really denying you some luxury which gives your life enjoyment. You demonstrate a lack of knowledge on the subject, lets take the Beltway sniper attacks, the weapon used was a Bushmaster XM-15 semiautomatic .223 caliber rifle but if the criminal had had a bolt action hunting rifle he could have still committed the mass murder with no problem.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #81 October 21, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteObama did say in the debate that he wants to ban assault weapons, and well he should. Nobody needs to own those high-powered guns. The only thing they're good for is killing large numbers of people. You don't need an AK47 to deer hunt. There are a lot of things we don't 'need' in life, can you imagine what a bland and boring world it would be if you were only allowed to own that which you needed to own? When it comes to guns used to commit mass murder, I think we can manage without 'em. There are plenty of other guns you can have to satisfy your gun fever. So that's not really denying you some luxury which gives your life enjoyment. Your arguments are as full of holes as Swiss cheese, to answer your own question with your own words.. Quote Even a little .22 rimfire gun that shoots real fast and has a high magazine capacity could kill a lot of people, right? So just which firearms wouldn't you ban and still leave for people to use which couldn't be used to commit 'mass murder'?When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #82 October 21, 2012 Quote I'm not anti-all-guns, just anti-some guns. Which ones and why? Explain DD sorry I mean CarpeDiem3When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #83 October 21, 2012 Quote So you're saying that an AK47 is the only suitable weapon with which to hunt hogs? And that nothing else will do? I find that hard to believe. No, I didn't say that at all.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #84 October 21, 2012 Quote I don't think you understand the hog infestation or the people that hunt them. Out in Texas they use helicopters with virtual target sighting and remote control firing mechanisms. That is sort of like a gunship. Careful, you will send the anti-gun nuts into cardiac arrest. OOPS! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVecBww1vcE Edited because the second video wasn't about hogs... I love Ted Nugent. Below is the link to the video I was referring to. The rifle appears to be fixed and the pilot is sighting through some virtual system. http://vimeo.com/21181307Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #85 October 21, 2012 QuoteQuoteMost gun related crimes are committed with small handguns. Not large semi automatic AK's So maybe then we should ban small handguns. According to the FBI, violent crime went up 18% last year. Seems like a good time to do it. Better read a bit deeper into this report you are using to fear monger Guns crimes statistical did not increase Opps (for you anyway)"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #86 October 21, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteObama did say in the debate that he wants to ban assault weapons, and well he should. Nobody needs to own those high-powered guns. The only thing they're good for is killing large numbers of people. You don't need an AK47 to deer hunt. In the south we use them to hunt hogs. Couldn't you use something else to hunt hogs instead? I don't think you understand the hog infestation or the people that hunt them. Out in Texas they use helicopters with virtual target sighting and remote control firing mechanisms. That is sort of like a gunship. So you're saying that an AK47 is the only suitable weapon with which to hunt hogs? And that nothing else will do? I find that hard to believe. Of course not I prefer an AR15 chambered in a 6.5 Grendel instead of the 5.56"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #87 October 21, 2012 QuoteQuoteFirearms are just that, a tool. Same as a hammer or saw . . . . So, then . . . "Assault Weapons" . . . are in fact different than hunting rifles. And since they are -specifically- designed for the purpose of killing human combatants they have no business in the hands of the vast majority of people. Thanks. Tell us which rifle is more deadly/dangerous An AR15/ AK47, or the following http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/family.asp?webflag_=002b Hint They both work EXACTLY the same"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #88 October 21, 2012 Quote Quote The left wingers here are constantly arguing facts about this and that but, the main fact is BHO is divisive and people are fearful. Ironically the things that you fear are the rumours and falsehoods spread by right wingers about Obama. So Obama lied about weapons during the last debate?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CarpeDiem3 0 #89 October 21, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteObama did say in the debate that he wants to ban assault weapons, and well he should. Nobody needs to own those high-powered guns. The only thing they're good for is killing large numbers of people. You don't need an AK47 to deer hunt. In the south we use them to hunt hogs. Couldn't you use something else to hunt hogs instead? I don't think you understand the hog infestation or the people that hunt them. Out in Texas they use helicopters with virtual target sighting and remote control firing mechanisms. That is sort of like a gunship. So you're saying that an AK47 is the only suitable weapon with which to hunt hogs? And that nothing else will do? I find that hard to believe. I tell you what stand in front of a 300lb male hog with 6 inch teeth charging at you. You have one shot to kill the pig. if you put the bullet in the forehead its not gonna penetrate the skull. If you put it in the shoulder the thick cartilage is gonna protect it. Think you can make that shot knowing if you miss the hog might kill you? Doubt it. SO yes being able to fire several rounds at the target quickly makes it a lot easier. And just to be clear wild hogs cause billions of dollars in damage to farmers and ranchers yearly, so yes they need to be eradicated. I don't argue that wild hogs aren't a nuisance and shouldn't be hunted. Granted. But the idea that an AK47 is the only suitable hog hunting rifle is just silly. Any semi-auto rifle of the same or higher caliber would be equally suitable for the job. If you want to preserve your right to own an AK47, you need to find some other justification besides hog hunting. That excuse doesn't cut the mustard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CarpeDiem3 0 #90 October 21, 2012 QuoteSemi-automatic AK47s are no more dangerous than semi-auto .308 hunting rifles and both can be fired at basically the same rate, Okay, but AK47's are called assault weapons, and someone here is saying that assault weapons are full-automatic, and the "A" in "AK47" stands for automatic. So an automatic AK47 is not the same as a semi-auto hunting rifle. Therefore, banning them as "too dangerous" can still be justifed based upon that difference. Do hunting rifles have 30-round magazines for sustained fire? I thought most states limit hunting magazine capacity to just 5 rounds? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CarpeDiem3 0 #91 October 21, 2012 QuoteQuote I'm not anti-all-guns, just anti-some guns. Which ones and why? Explain DD sorry I mean CarpeDiem3 I'm anti guns-that-shoot-real-fast-with-high-magazine-capacity. Because that seems to be what gets used in mass murders, and I see no other practical purpose for them. What does "DD" mean and why did you cross it out? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #92 October 21, 2012 QuoteQuoteSemi-automatic AK47s are no more dangerous than semi-auto .308 hunting rifles and both can be fired at basically the same rate, Okay, but AK47's are called assault weapons, and someone here is saying that assault weapons are full-automatic, and the "A" in "AK47" stands for automatic. So an automatic AK47 is not the same as a semi-auto hunting rifle. Therefore, banning them as "too dangerous" can still be justifed based upon that difference. Do hunting rifles have 30-round magazines for sustained fire? I thought most states limit hunting magazine capacity to just 5 rounds? I don't know how many times we are going to have to tell gun-o-phobes that fully automatic weapons are mostly illegal. That means most of them are semi-automatic. Do you understand the differences? If not, I would suggest some education before continuing to embarrass yourself. In addition, guns are like cars, everybody has their favorites. I have an AK. It's ok, but its certainly not my favorite weapon. I prefer an AR-15. I also have a Glock 23. Again, not my favorite. What part of the 2nd Amendment do you need explained to you? How about the part that says the people's right to own and bear arms shall not be infringed? What part of that are you having the biggest challenge with? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #93 October 21, 2012 Quote That means most of them are fermi-automatic. Enrico Fermi designed guns as well as the world's first nuclear reactor? Wow, I didn't know that.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CarpeDiem3 0 #94 October 21, 2012 QuoteI don't know how many times we are going to have to tell gun-o-phones that fully automatic weapons are mostly illegal. That means most of them are fermi-automatic. Do you understand the differences? If not, I would suggest some education before continuing to embarrass yourself. I would suggest being more careful with your typing and spelling. But I think I know what you're saying. I understand the difference between auto and semi. According to this... http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080102143807AAH6ghX ...it is perfectly legal to own automatic weapons. All you have to do is pass a background check and pay a tax. So where do you get the idea that full-auto weapons are mostly illegal? That's not what that link says. What the heck do you mean by "mostly". Your stance on the legality of owning automatic weapons seems to be incorrect. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #95 October 22, 2012 Quote Quote That means most of them are fermi-automatic. Enrico Fermi designed guns as well as the world's first nuclear reactor? Wow, I didn't know that. I hate posting with an IPhone. I can't get used to these little keyboards and the auto-correct feature. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #96 October 22, 2012 QuoteWith the GCA of 1986 (Gun Control Act) Civilians are not allowed to posess fully automatic weapons unless they were manufactured prior to 1986. The weapons manufactured before 1986 are "Grandfathered" meaning they can still be LEGALLY transfered thru a licensed/bonded Class III NFA Weapons Dealer.NO fully automatic weapons made after 1968 are legal for civilians to own or possess. From the article you cited. Perhaps you need some help with reading comprehension. Either that or try reading the entire article before you post it to make sure it supports your position. And the year is 1968, not 1986. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BartsDaddy 7 #97 October 22, 2012 QuoteQuoteFirearms are just that, a tool. Same as a hammer or saw . . . . So, then . . . "Assault Weapons" . . . are in fact different than hunting rifles. And since they are -specifically- designed for the purpose of killing human combatants they have no business in the hands of the vast majority of people. Thanks. Yes they are different. A assault rifle is full automatic but thanks to politicions that term has now come to include semi-automatic versions as well. My HK91 is no more deadly than a. 308 semi-automatic deer rifle but since it looks just like a G3 wich is an asault rifle capable of full auto it winds up on tbe assault weapon ban list. Just goes to show how people are scared of the evil black rifles. But since my HK91 was not designed to kill enemy combatants or even be on a batlefield please explain to me why it should be clasified as an assault weapon? Handguns are only used to fight your way to a good rifle Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtiflyer 0 #98 October 22, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteObama did say in the debate that he wants to ban assault weapons, and well he should. Nobody needs to own those high-powered guns. The only thing they're good for is killing large numbers of people. You don't need an AK47 to deer hunt. In the south we use them to hunt hogs. Couldn't you use something else to hunt hogs instead? I don't think you understand the hog infestation or the people that hunt them. Out in Texas they use helicopters with virtual target sighting and remote control firing mechanisms. That is sort of like a gunship. So you're saying that an AK47 is the only suitable weapon with which to hunt hogs? And that nothing else will do? I find that hard to believe. I tell you what stand in front of a 300lb male hog with 6 inch teeth charging at you. You have one shot to kill the pig. if you put the bullet in the forehead its not gonna penetrate the skull. If you put it in the shoulder the thick cartilage is gonna protect it. Think you can make that shot knowing if you miss the hog might kill you? Doubt it. SO yes being able to fire several rounds at the target quickly makes it a lot easier. And just to be clear wild hogs cause billions of dollars in damage to farmers and ranchers yearly, so yes they need to be eradicated. I don't argue that wild hogs aren't a nuisance and shouldn't be hunted. Granted. But the idea that an AK47 is the only suitable hog hunting rifle is just silly. Any semi-auto rifle of the same or higher caliber would be equally suitable for the job. If you want to preserve your right to own an AK47, you need to find some other justification besides hog hunting. That excuse doesn't cut the mustard. Nobody said they were the only rifle out there. When you go to do some house maintenance which brand of tool do you use? DeWalt, Skil, Makita, Black and Decker? They are all a little different but do the same thing right? Now imagine the government trying to tell you you can only use DeWalt. Why only Dewalt you ask? Skil sounds too much like kill. Makita sounds like my kill ya. Black and Decker implies racism and violence against women? Sounds ridiculous right? So does banning things that you admittedly know nothing about. And scared of something that can be fired repeatdly and quickly?? Yeah ya mean like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELol1dHjHEE that was all video game technique. So should every firearm be banned now cause if you train you can do that? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CarpeDiem3 0 #99 October 22, 2012 QuoteQuoteWith the GCA of 1986 (Gun Control Act) Civilians are not allowed to posess fully automatic weapons unless they were manufactured prior to 1986. The weapons manufactured before 1986 are "Grandfathered" meaning they can still be LEGALLY transfered thru a licensed/bonded Class III NFA Weapons Dealer.NO fully automatic weapons made after 1968 are legal for civilians to own or possess. From the article you cited. Perhaps you need some help with reading comprehension. Either that or try reading the entire article before you post it to make sure it supports your position. No comprehension problem with me. So in fact, it IS legal to own auto weapons. Just because ones made after a certain date are illegal, doesn't mean that it's illegal for citizens to own them in general, as you imply. As long as you find one with the appropriate manufacture date, there's nothing stopping you from owning it, as long as you pass the background check. You're posts about this have been misleading, to say the least. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #100 October 22, 2012 Here. see if you can twist and misunderstand what I said, again. QuoteI don't know how many times we are going to have to tell gun-o-phobes that fully automatic weapons are mostly illegal. That means manufacturers haven't made fully automatic weapons since 1968. The only people who can posses them are police and military. So with these exceptions, if you find one manufactured after 1968 in the hands of a citizen, it probably means that person does not legally own that weapon. Making ownership of fully automatic weapons mostly illegal. Now go ahead and show us how brilliant you are. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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