The apology tour

[sundevil777 102]

Many Obamarroids don't consider what he did an apology tour, so that's just fine, be literal to the use of the word apologize.

So, it can instead be called a blame, condemn, and disparage America tour.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[tkhayes 348]

nice try, but whatever you want to call it, I call it rhetoric....

[wmw999 2,452]

I'm guessing that a "we're the badassest motherfuckers out there and don't fuck with us" tour would be a desirable thing?

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[kallend 2,027]

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I'm guessing that a "we're the badassest motherfuckers out there and don't fuck with us" tour would be a desirable thing?

Wendy P.

Well, we ARE skydivers.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[mirage62 0]

TK, Wendy.....

Honest question here. While I don't totally agree with "apology tour" I do believe that his intent was to humble down a bit from the Bush.

1. Do you believe that was the idea?
2. Do you believe he over did it, or got it about right?

I believe that was his idea, and I think he went way, way overboard.

fr

Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

[sundevil777 102]

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I'm guessing that a "we're the badassest motherfuckers out there and don't fuck with us" tour would be a desirable thing?

Wendy P.

Why are things to you so one way or the other? Do you think that the only other possibility besides the BCD (blame, condemn, and disparage) tour is what you have described? The president cannot go to foreign countries and talk to an audience without it being one or the other? Or is it just that your view of conservatives is such that you expect that?

I am quite sure that those that don't follow politics, the same people that are the undecided voters, do not want their president doing an apology or BCD tour.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[jclalor 12]

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Many Obamarroids don't consider what he did an apology tour, so that's just fine, be literal to the use of the word apologize.

So, it can instead be called a blame, condemn, and disparage America tour.

Do you have an exact quote?

[tkhayes 348]

call it whatever you want I guess. But don't call it an 'apology tour' because that piece of tripe has been debunked time and time again and is now only resurfacing 2 weeks before an election as a desperate attempt by the right to grasp something that is slipping away fromt hem

We hear it now louder than ever before. stating it again and again might work for some people, but all it really does is annoy the fuck out of people that have half a brain.

So here's a question for you? Should the USA NEVER apologize for any actions we take?

i.e.
1. imprisoning Japanese citizens during WWII

2. starting a war in Iraq on a lie thus killing 100,000 civilians and 4000 US troops and destroying a country that had no part in 9/11 (or terrorism apparently)

3. supporting Israel despite their genocidal tendencies towards Palestinians?

4. slaughtering native americans after the arrival of the Europeans?

5. shooting down Iran flight 655?

there are plenty of things that we need to and probably should apologize for. some of these we have apologized for. I do not remember anyone going after Reagan for apologizing to the Japanese, yet no one apologized for flight 655 - and we wonder why they fucking hate us?

give your head a shake. If you are going to be a bully and then be arrogant on top of that, well a $10T war and decades of it are what you can expect. I hope you are writing the checks to pay for the war, because I for one am tired of shelling out for it

[wmw999 2,452]

I think the issue is another of those "where is the middle of your road" things. I don't see the tour as being an "apology tour," and I do see (as mirage said above) it as an attempt to distance the new leadership from the Bush years.

I see the result as being slightly on the apologetic side of middle; obviously to me a "baddest motherfucker" tour is way past what Bush was about, too, and a "we suck all the time and here are some specific ways in which we sucked and we're sure there were many more" is way too far in the other end.

But apologizing for unintentionally offending isn't bad -- it's not even saying you were wrong, just that the tone wasn't right. And no one can get the tone right all the time, for all the people.

As far as whether Obama & the new State department got the tone exactly right? Hell no -- but that's a completely impossible target. No matter what they did, someone is going to be unhappy. They have to decide who are the most important people to please with their approach, who are the most important not to piss off (two very different things), who doesn't matter, and who they can work with later. That leaves a whole lot of people left over, doesn't it.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[sundevil777 102]

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Many Obamarroids don't consider what he did an apology tour, so that's just fine, be literal to the use of the word apologize.

So, it can instead be called a blame, condemn, and disparage America tour.

Do you have an exact quote?

Excerpted from article by Niles Gardiner, director of the Margaret Thatcher Center for Freedom at the Heritage Foundation.

1. Apology to Europe: Speech in Strasbourg, France, April 3. “In America, there’s a failure to appreciate Europe‘s leading role in the world. Instead of celebrating your dynamic union and seeking to partner with you to meet common challenges, there have been times where America has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive.”

2. Apology to the Muslim world: Interview with Al Arabiya, January 27. “My job to the Muslim world is to communicate that the Americans are not your enemy. We sometimes make mistakes. We have not been perfect.”

3. Apology to the Summit of the Americas: Address to the Summit of the Americas, Port of Spain, Trinidad and Tobago, April 17. “While the United States has done much to promote peace and prosperity in the hemisphere, we have at times been disengaged, and at times we sought to dictate our terms.”

4. Apology at the G-20 Summit of World Leaders: News conference in London, April 2. “I just think in a world that is as complex as it is, that it is very important for us to be able to forge partnerships as opposed to simply dictating solutions.”

5. Apology for the War on Terror: Speech in Washington, D.C., May 21. “Unfortunately, faced with an uncertain threat, our government made a series of hasty decisions. I believe that many of these decisions were motivated by a sincere desire to protect the American people. But I also believe that all too often our government made decisions based on fear rather than foresight, that all too often our government trimmed facts and evidence to fit ideological predispositions.”

6. Apology for Guantanamo in France: Speech in Strasbourg, France, April 3. “In dealing with terrorism, we can’t lose sight of our values and who we are. That’s why I closed Guantanamo. That’s why I made very clear that we will not engage in certain interrogation practices. I don’t believe that there is a contradiction between our security and our values. And when you start sacrificing your values, when you lose yourself, then over the long term that will make you less secure.”

7. Apology for America before the Turkish Parliament: Speech to the Turkish Parliament, Ankara, Turkey, April 6. “The United States is still working through some of our own darker periods in our history. Facing the Washington Monument that I spoke of is a memorial of Abraham Lincoln, the man who freed those who were enslaved even after Washington led our Revolution. Our country still struggles with the legacies of slavery and segregation, the past treatment of Native Americans.”

8. Apology for U.S. Policy toward the Americas: Editorial “Choosing a Better Future in the Americas,” April 16. “Too often, the United States has not pursued and sustained engagement with our neighbors. We have been too easily distracted by other priorities, and have failed to see that our own progress is tied directly to progress throughout the Americas.”

9. Apology for the Mistakes of the CIA: Remarks to CIA employees at Langley, Va., April 29. “Don’t be discouraged that we have to acknowledge potentially we’ve made some mistakes.”

10. Apology for Guantanamo: Speech in Washington, D.C., May 21. “There is also no question that Guantanamo set back the moral authority that is America’s strongest currency in the world.”

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[Anvilbrother 0]

Sounds like apologies to me!

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[wmw999 2,452]

Interesting -- some are apologies to me, some aren't.
1. Yup, apology
2. Apology, but a "we might be misunderstood" apology, not a "we messed up" one.
3. Yup, apology
4. Apology. And an important one, as far as I'm concerned. Maybe too groveling a one in the outside world, but trust me -- I agree with him.
5. Nope, not an apology. Explanation of difference in opinion between last and current administration
6. Nope, not an apology. Acknowledgment that all countries come with their legacies.
7. Very similar to #3.
8. Internal, not part of an apology tour.
9. Apology. And I wish he'd close it down -- I'm agin' him on that one.

The only ones of these that, to me, are close to abject "we suck" apologies are the one for the war on terror, and the one for Guantanamo. Most of the rest might not even be counted as apologies if people weren't looking to characterize them as such.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[mirage62 0]

TK, of course America should NEVER apologize....for anything. (Next week is national kick a dog if you are an American to btw)

But to better than you, I'll answer. America has, should and will apologize for many things. Perhaps she will fail to apologize to everything she should as many countries will.

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and is now only resurfacing 2 weeks before an election as a desperate attempt by the right to grasp something that is slipping away fromt hem

While I believe that it is still Obama's race to lose....have you been reading ANY of the polls coming out? I don't see the election "slipping away"

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but all it really does is annoy the fuck out of people that have half a brain.

Well most of us could never offer to keep up with you and your brain - or even half of your brain.

I asked a simple questions, Wendy I noticed had no problem answering. I'll take it that you think he got it just right.

fr

Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

[DanG 1]

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Sounds like apologies to me!

Obama saying, "Pass the salt," would sound like an apology to you.

- Dan G

[rushmc 23]

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Sounds like apologies to me!

Obama saying, "Pass the salt," would sound like an apology to you.

and the pissy level just keeps on rising

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Anvilbrother 0]

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We sometimes make mistakes. We have not been perfect.”

Sounds about like something you would tell your wife after a late night of partying. It's an apology, get over it.

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[wmw999 2,452]

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Obama saying, "Pass the salt," would sound like an apology to you

I think it'd depend on how he said it

If it's not inconvenient, please pass the salt

Give me the salt now, or I'll blow your brains out


Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[rushmc 23]

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Obama saying, "Pass the salt," would sound like an apology to you

I think it'd depend on how he said it

If it's not inconvenient, please pass the salt

Give me the salt now, or I'll blow your brains out


Wendy P.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[livendive 8]

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4. Apology at the G-20 Summit of World Leaders: News conference in London, April 2. “I just think in a world that is as complex as it is, that it is very important for us to be able to forge partnerships as opposed to simply dictating solutions.”

I'll admit that I consider a willingness to admit to mistake a strength, not a weakness. In my book, an unwillingness in this regard makes someone undeserving of respect.

That said, how in the world do you read the quoted part above as an apology? There is nothing even past tense in the statement.

Blues,
Dave

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[Anvilbrother 0]

In the context of his visits in saying that he is suggesting the US has been dictating solutions to other nations problems instead of parterning up.

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[livendive 8]

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In the context of his visits in saying that he is suggesting the US has been dictating solutions to other nations problems instead of parterning up.

You're free to interpret that, I guess. I sometimes find clarity by looking at things in the mirror. In this case, what he said was the opposite of "We'd rather just tell you what to than work cooperatively."

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)