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[kallend 2,027]

airdvr

So you're saying Morrell lied.

How's that Kool Aid tasting?

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[airdvr 210]

Tenet said that U.S. intelligence agencies still disagree on the purpose of the trailers. Some analysts believe they were mobile biological-weapons facilities; others think they may have been for making hydrogen gas for weather balloons.

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[kallend 2,027]

How's that Kool Aid tasting?

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[cvfd1399 0]

I say "alleged" because just like you I wasnt there, and I don't have my hands on the top secret Intel. A few things we do have is General Georges Sada, the former second-in-command of the Iraqi Air Force who said he personally knew about 57 flights to Syria transporting WMD.

We also have http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/sep/18/inside-the-ring-syria-iraq-and-weapons-of-mass-des/?page=all

[airdvr 210]

kallend

***So you're saying Morrell lied.

How's that Kool Aid tasting?

I'm still waiting for the proof. What you've shown me so far are opinions. And that kool-Aid is tasting real good...from the same batch as you and Barry's pitcher.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0f5u_0ytUs

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[kallend 2,027]

airdvr

******So you're saying Morrell lied.

How's that Kool Aid tasting?

I'm still waiting for the proof. What you've shown me so far are opinions. And that kool-Aid is tasting real good...from the same batch as you and Barry's pitcher.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0f5u_0ytUs

They FOUND those "bioweapons labs", you know. They were facilities for making hydrogen.

www.theguardian.com/world/2003/jun/15/iraq

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[cvfd1399 0]

Do you deny that Iraq ever had WMD at any point from say 1990-2001ish? What was Clinton looking for? Did they find the WMD then? Because your link was talking about bush looking for the trailers and it being hydrogen generators. Why reply to one thing with proof for another? Was it related to what Clinton was looking for or not.

[kallend 2,027]

cvfd1399

Do you deny that Iraq ever had WMD at any point from say 1990-2001ish? What was Clinton looking for? Did they find the WMD then? Because your link was talking about bush looking for the trailers and it being hydrogen generators. Why reply to one thing with proof for another? Was it related to what Clinton was looking for or not.

The ISSUE is what was true in late 2002 to March 2003. And it is very clear that the GWB administration distorted the available intelligence at that time in order to beat the war drums.

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[cvfd1399 0]

No answer me this if Clinton had evidence(which I have never heard you dispute) where did the WMD go from what was it 98 to 2003??

[airdvr 210]

cvfd1399

No answer me this if Clinton had evidence(which I have never heard you dispute) where did the WMD go from what was it 98 to 2003??

I've always said that in the time the UN was paying footsy with SH his chemical weapons machine was shipped to Syria.

John, I know you want to believe it so badly that you've become blinded to what really happened.

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[SkyDekker 1,465]

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I've always said that in the time the UN was paying footsy with SH his chemical weapons machine was shipped to Syria.

John, I know you want to believe it so badly that you've become blinded to what really happened.

Absolutely priceless.

[airdvr 210]

SkyDekker

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I've always said that in the time the UN was paying footsy with SH his chemical weapons machine was shipped to Syria.

John, I know you want to believe it so badly that you've become blinded to what really happened.

Absolutely priceless.

I know you want to see irony in the post. Let me explain it in words you'll understand; I believe SH had weapons of WMDs and shipped them off to Syria before the UN weapons inspectors could find anything.

Bolding mine

UNSCOM was more successful in its pursuit of Iraq's CW program largely because Iraq was more cooperative with its disclosures. The final report notes that a "significant number" of chemical weapons, their components, and related equipment were destroyed under UNSCOM supervision between 1991 and 1997. In addition, the report found:

Extensive CW program: Iraq acknowledged that it carried out a large scale CW program between 1982 and 1990. It claims that more than 50% of its chemical weapons stocks were consumed during the 1980s, and that the majority of its production facilities were destroyed by aerial bombing during the Gulf War.

Bulk CW agents: Iraq said that it produced 3,859 tons of CW agents during the entire implementation of its CW program, and that 3,315 tons of these agents were weaponized. Agents produced in large quantities included mustard, tabun, and sarin.

According to Iraq, 80% of the weaponized CW agents were consumed between 1982 and 1988. In addition, they claim to have unilaterally discarded 130 tons of non-weaponized CW agents during the 1980s. UNSCOM found that these numbers could not be verified.

After the Gulf War, Iraq claimed that it had 412.5 tons of CW agents remaining. Four hundred eleven tons were destroyed under UNSCOM supervision; 1.5 tons of the CW agent VX remain unaccounted for.

Special Munitions: Iraq claimed that between 1982 and 1988, 100,000 munitions filled with CW agents were consumed or disposed of. UNSCOM found that this number could not be verified.

After the Gulf war, Iraq declared that there remained over 56,000 special munitions which could carry either CW or BW agents (22,000 filled, 34,000 unfilled). These munitions are all accounted for. They were either destroyed or converted for conventional weapons purposes.

Iraq claimed that there were 42,000 special munitions destroyed in the Gulf War. UNSCOM was unable to verify that number, and found that the destruction of 2,000 unfilled munitions remains uncertain, and 550 filled munitions remain unaccounted for.

Iraq claimed that it unilaterally destroyed 29,000 special munitions; UNSCOM found that of these, 100 filled munitions remain unaccounted for.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/gunning/etc/arsenal.html

So perhaps you can tell me where these unaccounted for WMDs went.

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[SkyDekker 1,465]

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I believe SH had weapons of WMDs and shipped them off to Syria before the UN weapons inspectors could find anything.

I know you do. In fact I think you want to believe it so badly that you would not really accept any evidence to the contrary.

Which of course is exactly what you accuse John of doing. Which is what makes it absolutely priceless.

[airdvr 210]

SkyDekker

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I believe SH had weapons of WMDs and shipped them off to Syria before the UN weapons inspectors could find anything.

I know you do. In fact I think you want to believe it so badly that you would not really accept any evidence to the contrary.

Which of course is exactly what you accuse John of doing. Which is what makes it absolutely priceless.

Perhaps you missed this...

So perhaps you can tell me where these unaccounted for WMDs went.

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[rushmc 23]

SkyDekker

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I believe SH had weapons of WMDs and shipped them off to Syria before the UN weapons inspectors could find anything.

I know you do. In fact I think you want to believe it so badly that you would not really accept any evidence to the contrary.

Which of course is exactly what you accuse John of doing. Which is what makes it absolutely priceless.

Actually, there was video evidence of large convoys with large trucks going into Syria at this time

I do not know what was in them
Do you?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[wmw999 2,452]

There are only a couple of things that could have been on them that would justify war. Nukes or chem/bio weapons. I think the responsibility is on the attacking party to be damn sure that's what was on them. Not pretty sure, not voting-for-it sure, not cherry-picking-the-data sure, but much more sure than the standard of proof required to execute an American citizen.

Because thousands of Americans, and over a hundred thousand Iraqis, died in part because of those trucks.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[rushmc 23]

wmw999

There are only a couple of things that could have been on them that would justify war. Nukes or chem/bio weapons. I think the responsibility is on the attacking party to be damn sure that's what was on them. Not pretty sure, not voting-for-it sure, not cherry-picking-the-data sure, but much more sure than the standard of proof required to execute an American citizen.

Because thousands of Americans, and over a hundred thousand Iraqis, died in part because of those trucks.

Wendy P.

there was much more to it than that
but the left lies just keep flowing

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[winsor 236]

wmw999

There are only a couple of things that could have been on them that would justify war. Nukes or chem/bio weapons. I think the responsibility is on the attacking party to be damn sure that's what was on them. Not pretty sure, not voting-for-it sure, not cherry-picking-the-data sure, but much more sure than the standard of proof required to execute an American citizen.

Because thousands of Americans, and over a hundred thousand Iraqis, died in part because of those trucks.

Wendy P.

In all seriousness, why is it our problem if they were full of WMDs?

We have more WMDs than anyone in history; how is it okay for us if it is not okay for them? Not only that, but we are the only country on earth that has used Nuclear, Chemical and Biological weapons in anger for effect.

As the basis for our casus belli, the veracity of claims we used was entirely irrelevant. The fact that they were nonsense was just icing on the cake.

FWIW, Saddam Hussein was our best asset in Iraq. He maintained a secular government that kept a tight lid on the wellspring of religious fuckheads of various persuasions who only wanted the opportunity to kill each other, he maintained an environment where terrorist organizations had a nonexistent life span, and he kept the assholes in neighboring countries busy maintaining defenses against him.

What's not to like?

The very idea of Operation Stinking Desert (or whatever it was) was beyond flawed from the git go. Bulletproof shoes are in order for anyone that thinks shooting yourself in the foot like that is a good idea.


BSBD,

Winsor

[SkyDekker 1,465]

rushmc

***There are only a couple of things that could have been on them that would justify war. Nukes or chem/bio weapons. I think the responsibility is on the attacking party to be damn sure that's what was on them. Not pretty sure, not voting-for-it sure, not cherry-picking-the-data sure, but much more sure than the standard of proof required to execute an American citizen.

Because thousands of Americans, and over a hundred thousand Iraqis, died in part because of those trucks.

Wendy P.

there was much more to it than that
but the left lies just keep flowing

Yes in your reality the war in Iraq was due to lies from the left. I can see how that would make sense to you.

And to your other question, I am not the one claiming that I knew what was in those trucks. That is another poster.

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SkyDekker

******There are only a couple of things that could have been on them that would justify war. Nukes or chem/bio weapons. I think the responsibility is on the attacking party to be damn sure that's what was on them. Not pretty sure, not voting-for-it sure, not cherry-picking-the-data sure, but much more sure than the standard of proof required to execute an American citizen.

Because thousands of Americans, and over a hundred thousand Iraqis, died in part because of those trucks.

Wendy P.

there was much more to it than that
but the left lies just keep flowing

Yes in your reality the war in Iraq was due to lies from the left. I can see how that would make sense to you.



WHOOSH

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[grimmie 186]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvliUuXjbL4

[wmw999 2,452]

Now that's an excellent point. The only reason is the UN sanctions, and our only role should have been as part of the UN.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[kallend 2,027]

airdvr

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I believe SH had weapons of WMDs and shipped them off to Syria before the UN weapons inspectors could find anything.

I know you do. In fact I think you want to believe it so badly that you would not really accept any evidence to the contrary.

Which of course is exactly what you accuse John of doing. Which is what makes it absolutely priceless.

Perhaps you missed this...

So perhaps you can tell me where these unaccounted for WMDs went.

The burden of proof is on the party needing the excuse to go to war and kill thousands of people. So you tell us what is known FOR CERTAIN.

We do know FOR CERTAIN that no WMDs were found, that there was no nuclear program, and that the claimed bioweapons labs turned out to be hydrogen production facilities.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[wmw999 2,452]

Hey -- ever hear of the hydrogen bomb?

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[airdvr 210]

winsor

***There are only a couple of things that could have been on them that would justify war. Nukes or chem/bio weapons. I think the responsibility is on the attacking party to be damn sure that's what was on them. Not pretty sure, not voting-for-it sure, not cherry-picking-the-data sure, but much more sure than the standard of proof required to execute an American citizen.

Because thousands of Americans, and over a hundred thousand Iraqis, died in part because of those trucks.

Wendy P.

In all seriousness, why is it our problem if they were full of WMDs?

We have more WMDs than anyone in history; how is it okay for us if it is not okay for them? Not only that, but we are the only country on earth that has used Nuclear, Chemical and Biological weapons in anger for effect.

As the basis for our casus belli, the veracity of claims we used was entirely irrelevant. The fact that they were nonsense was just icing on the cake.

FWIW, Saddam Hussein was our best asset in Iraq. He maintained a secular government that kept a tight lid on the wellspring of religious fuckheads of various persuasions who only wanted the opportunity to kill each other, he maintained an environment where terrorist organizations had a nonexistent life span, and he kept the assholes in neighboring countries busy maintaining defenses against him.

What's not to like?

The very idea of Operation Stinking Desert (or whatever it was) was beyond flawed from the git go. Bulletproof shoes are in order for anyone that thinks shooting yourself in the foot like that is a good idea.


BSBD,

Winsor

Winsor...I'm certain you were willing to gamble that none of these WMDs would make it to US soil. Others were not.

Here's a long list of Democrats who were certain of the threat long before 2003.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp

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