More on BHO & Benghazi

[tkhayes 348]

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So back to my question without all the arguing about something that happened decades ago. Is the woman going to be charged or not? If not her the systems architect who KNEW, and everyone else that was involved in their IT department should be fired or charged.

No she will not be charged, since it is a fairly common practice as already demonstrated by many other instances of the same behavior from all administrations since the advent of email.

Whether or not you agree with it or want to uphold the law black and white doesn't really matter. There are plenty of laws on the books that are not enforced black and white and/or to the letter.

Pretty obvious that when Colin powell, Condie's staff, others in the Bush admin, others in the Obama admin all 'make mistakes' or whatever you want to call it, does not automatically mean the full power of the DOJ is coming to rain down on their heads.

Otherwise pretty much every politician would be in jail for whatever transgressions they committed while in office.

Anti-HRC: She lied, she ordered the stand down of troops in Benghazi, she is directly responsible for the deaths of 4 men in Benghazi, she knowingly sent classified material via unsecured email servers and she is therefore guilty of treason and should be jailed and executed. (Most people do not even know what treason means or what you would actually have to do to even be considered for that charge. That is because most Americans simply are not that bright about their own country and are uneducated on civic matters in general.)

Pro-HRC (or those that simply do not give a shit): No she didn't and no she's not.

Of course each sides KNOWS 100% that their story is the correct one and is not willing to budge an inch.

Has it successfully spent millions and millions of tax dollars and tens of thousands of man hours that could have been put to better use while running this through the gauntlet? Yes it has - that is my 100% fact.

The thing I find funny is that instead of derailing the Democratic campaign into the hands of Republicans, it may very well have derailed the HRC and Republican campaign into the hands of a Socialist Jewish dude named Bernie. That would be as funny as shit.

[rushmc 23]

GeorgiaDon

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do you miss the point that some of the information is classified, just by its own nature?

So if someone sends me an email containing information that is not marked as secret, classified, or confidential, but years later someone decides it should have been classified and retroactively relabels it, then I have committed a crime?

How am I supposed to control what other people send to me? How am I supposed to know the content of an email without opening and reading it?

This seems like a perfect "gotcha" scheme. Even better, once the email is relabeled "classified" it can't be released to the public. Maybe the "classified" email is about someone's favorite recipe for carrot cake, we'll never know.

Don

First off, her claim that they were unmarked when she got them has been debunked.
There was even an email from her telling her staff to remove the classification so they could fax it
Second, there were email found that were above top secret that were so sensitive they could not be shared with the public. SHE, mailed these on to people who were outside the government. Blumenthal I think? (someone help me)

Are you missing all of this or just ignoring it?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DanG 1]

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First off, her claim that they were unmarked when she got them has been debunked.
There was even an email from her telling her staff to remove the classification so they could fax it
Second, there were email found that were above top secret that were so sensitive they could not be shared with the public. SHE, mailed these on to people who were outside the government. Blumenthal I think? (someone help me)

Are you missing all of this or just ignoring it?

I'm missing it. Source, please.

- Dan G

[rushmc 23]

Here is part of what I posted

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/30/us/politics/22-clinton-emails-deemed-too-classified-to-be-made-public.html?action=click&contentCollection=Politics&module=RelatedCoverage®ion=Marginalia&pgtype=article

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

A bit more

http://dailycaller.com/2016/01/08/bombshell-email-shows-hillary-instructed-adviser-to-strip-markings-from-sensitive-talking-points/

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[normiss 798]

"The State Department said it had “upgraded” the classification of the emails at the request of the nation’s intelligence agencies. Mr. Kirby said that none of the emails had been marked at any level of classification at the time they were sent through Mrs. Clinton’s computer server.
“We understand that these emails were likely originated on the State Department’s unclassified system before they were ever shared with Secretary Clinton, and they have remained on the department’s unclassified system for years,” Mr. Fallon said.
“The only reason to hold Secretary Clinton responsible for emails that didn’t originate with her is for political points, and that’s what we’ve seen over the past several months,” she added."


Not this link, care to try again?

[normiss 798]

"The State Department has retroactively classified information in more than 1,300 Clinton emails. And the Intelligence Community inspector general has found two emails that contained classified information that was classified at the time it was originated. But the Democratic presidential candidate has denied any wrongdoing by asserting that any classified information she did send or receive was not “marked” classified when created.

It is possible that the talking points Sullivan intended to send Clinton did not contain classified information. A document being sent via a secure method does not necessarily indicate that information contained in it is classified. But Clinton hadn’t seen the talking points at that point, and likely would not have known whether they contained classified information."

Nor that one.
Swing and a miss.

[rushmc 23]

normiss

"The State Department has retroactively classified information in more than 1,300 Clinton emails. And the Intelligence Community inspector general has found two emails that contained classified information that was classified at the time it was originated. But the Democratic presidential candidate has denied any wrongdoing by asserting that any classified information she did send or receive was not “marked” classified when created.

It is possible that the talking points Sullivan intended to send Clinton did not contain classified information. A document being sent via a secure method does not necessarily indicate that information contained in it is classified. But Clinton hadn’t seen the talking points at that point, and likely would not have known whether they contained classified information."

Nor that one.
Swing and a miss.

Hmmm
Here is seems you are admitting she is too fucking stupid to know what is classified

It is a start

And even YOUR reply shows she got emails classified from the start

1 is a felony

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

You also ignored her email that told a staffer to REMOVE the header so it could be sent via unsecured fax

Someone is swing and missing


But hell

It is only 1 or 2


How many got Petrous in trouble?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[normiss 798]

"The official also declined to “speculate” on whether the talking points contained classified information."

Yahtzee.

[turtlespeed 220]

normiss

"The official also declined to “speculate” on whether the talking points contained classified information."

Yahtzee.

Yes and when floating around on a nuclear submarine "boomer" and on shore, when asked, you have to reply that you can neither confirm nor deny the existence of nuclear materials onboard.

Somethings are just obvious.

Somethings are just ignored.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[normiss 798]

That is incorrect sir.

[rushmc 23]

turtlespeed

***"The official also declined to “speculate” on whether the talking points contained classified information."

Yahtzee.

Yes and when floating around on a nuclear submarine "boomer" and on shore, when asked, you have to reply that you can neither confirm nor deny the existence of nuclear materials onboard.

Somethings are just obvious.

Somethings are just ignored.

the main stream media is in full cover up mode for Hillary

And that sure shows where many here, limit where they get their news, and, opinions given to them

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jakee 1,489]

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First off, her claim that they were unmarked when she got them has been debunked.

Of the two links you posted to support this claim the one that comes from a reputable news source and the one that quotes the State Department's spokesman says that this is not true.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[rushmc 23]

jakee

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First off, her claim that they were unmarked when she got them has been debunked.

Of the two links you posted to support this claim the one that comes from a reputable news source and the one that quotes the State Department's spokesman says that this is not true.

Just who is this reputable State Dept spokesman?

(which is irrelevant because of all the other info out there)

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

normiss

That is incorrect sir.

OH man

You got him there!!!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[normiss 798]

How long were you in and what clearance did YOU hold?

[rushmc 23]

normiss

How long were you in and what clearance did YOU hold?

Oh man

Yet another point to end all arguments

I do know why anyone even tries to defy you

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jakee 1,489]

turtlespeed

***"The official also declined to “speculate” on whether the talking points contained classified information."

Yahtzee.

Yes and when floating around on a nuclear submarine "boomer" and on shore, when asked, you have to reply that you can neither confirm nor deny the existence of nuclear materials onboard.

Somethings are just obvious.

Somethings are just ignored.

And it's pretty obvious that the existence of nuclear materials on board nuclear submarines is not classified.

Heck, from the very first time the Nautilus got 'underway on nuclear power' the Navy's been more than keen to brag about it.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[billvon 2,991]

>do you miss the point that some of the information is classified, just by its own nature?

Nope. Like I said, if you used a personal email address to receive unclassified information, the most likely response would have been a phone call from your IT security guy saying "bad idea, against policy, don't do it again." Even if it was the sort of information that someone thinks SHOULD be classified.

This happened to someone I knew back when I worked for a defense contractor. It was a medium deal; he had a promotion delayed because of it (or at least he thought he did) but did not get fired or lose his security clearance.

[normiss 798]

In some of the clearance classes I had, we were simply told to not answer. That's not your job sailor!
I used to sleep across the street from the re-coring facility.
The joke was those of us in that barracks building would glow at night.

[normiss 798]

So you're clearly unqualified to have a discussion regarding clearances and the classification of materials.
Thanks then.

[rehmwa 2]

billvon

>do you miss the point that some of the information is classified, just by its own nature?

Nope. Like I said, if you used a personal email address to receive unclassified information, the most likely response would have been a phone call from your IT security guy saying "bad idea, against policy, don't do it again."

really!!!! In the Navy, if someone sent Class on the wrong fax machine, we'd be verbally and publicly ripped, have to design a correction plan to shore up the system so it doesn't happen again - and implement it and make sure everyone else in the office was trained on it. Cross communicate the learning to all the other departments. And then be assigned extra shifts (usually 2 straight weeks) of security checking (signoff and double check of all padlocks, phone, fax systems which is required after everyone else locks up and leaves for the day).

And this was the response for a much lower level of classification than SecState.......


"someone in IT gives you a phone call" RIIIGHHHT

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[normiss 798]

I swear my worst day in the Navy was walking in to find the sec safe wide open.
Dumb asses.

Of course it was like 10 layers deep within the facility, but man did we have security training and double checks for the longest time after that.

[billvon 2,991]

>really!!!! In the Navy, if someone sent Class on the wrong fax machine . . . .

. . . . it would be a huge stinking deal.

And when someone sent unclassified (but sensitive) info on their email account in a private company to another private company, it was less of a huge stinking deal.