JerryBaumchen 1,362 #2101 January 23, 2016 Hi Mark, QuoteI can't trust a source . . . Well, it does say that the Dow will drop 80% in 2016. Anybody want to take a shot at what an 80% drop would mean to the world economy? Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 798 #2102 January 23, 2016 Hey Jerry, Probably fewer movies and adds, oops, articles, like this one promoting the agenda based movies? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 348 #2103 January 24, 2016 According to the timeline I saw that email was sent after everyone was already dead in the Benghazi attack. If there was a team of people ready to go, how come we have never heard from any of them? Instead just people that have sources that tell then that they heard and yada yada yada. Let's see if yet another congressional investigation gives a shit about it or not. can't wait for yet another report from the right wing that states that nothing happened..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #2104 January 30, 2016 http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CLINTON_EMAILS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-01-29-14-48-31 looks like 22 emails now https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/43ayik/seven_email_chains_from_clinton_server_contain/?ref=share&ref_source=twitter via @reddit 7 email chains contained top secret material If if you deny the claims meh whatever the real story is in the comments section. Reddit is massively democrat leaning website consisting of younger voters, and they HATE hillary. Let this be a lesson to you out of touch old liberals, most young democrat votes are going to sanders, hillary is crap. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #2105 January 30, 2016 Anvilbrotherhttp://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CLINTON_EMAILS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-01-29-14-48-31 looks like 22 emails now https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/43ayik/seven_email_chains_from_clinton_server_contain/?ref=share&ref_source=twitter via @reddit 7 email chains contained top secret material If if you deny the claims meh whatever the real story is in the comments section. Reddit is massively democrat leaning website consisting of younger voters, and they HATE hillary. Let this be a lesson to you out of touch old liberals, most young democrat votes are going to sanders, hillary is crap. Is this Bernie's new ad?Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Southsidedvr 0 #2106 February 16, 2016 This has been in the news every day. Has anyone here been able to read through the filter and see if it is real or just spin. Did they finally catch her breaking serious laws that she should be charged for? http://lawnewz.com/uncategorized/more-trouble-for-hillary-clinton-classified-e-mail-total-reaches-1666/ Take a read here for what I am talking about. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 798 #2107 February 16, 2016 It's rather difficult to charge someone for sending something classified when it wasn't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Southsidedvr 0 #2108 February 16, 2016 Well she did attend classes and was advised that in her position even if it was not marked some things by their content alone are classified. I agree with you that on a conviction note that arguing if she understood that, and if the information required that and she did not is a tough thing to do. I am looking for someone neutral and official to come out and finally say one way or the other. That's what I am asking here. I know many of you are more up to date eon these things has anyone from the government involved in the official investigation said she is going to be charged yet? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 236 #2109 February 16, 2016 normissIt's rather difficult to charge someone for sending something classified when it wasn't. Wrong. It happens all the time. If someone has a high enough clearance, they are effectively forbidden to discuss potentially subjects, except with similarly cleared personnel who have a defined need to know. I have friends who cannot discuss articles that appeared in print, since any opinion they might voice in the matter is privileged information. People can, and do, get burned all the time for seemingly minor infractions. Anyone but HRC would already be doing hard time in prison. BSBD, Winsor Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 362 #2110 February 16, 2016 QuoteAnyone but HRC would already be doing hard time in prison. I was not aware that Colin Powell was doing hard time! Is he in the same prison as Condoleezza Rice's staff? Also is there a distinction between sending and receiving unclassified classified information? Seems like an interesting strategy: send someone an unclassified email, retroactively relabel it classified, then prosecute them for receiving the email you sent. Now that's a tactic Karl Rove would be proud of. Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #2111 February 16, 2016 GeorgiaDonQuoteAnyone but HRC would already be doing hard time in prison. I was not aware that Colin Powell was doing hard time! Is he in the same prison as Condoleezza Rice's staff? Also is there a distinction between sending and receiving unclassified classified information? Seems like an interesting strategy: send someone an unclassified email, retroactively relabel it classified, then prosecute them for receiving the email you sent. Now that's a tactic Karl Rove would be proud of. Don If you are following any news outside the huffo post you would know that what you just posted here is a pile of drivel Wow!"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #2112 February 16, 2016 What is inaccurate about what Don posted? - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #2113 February 16, 2016 >If you are following any news outside the huffo post you would know that what you just posted >here is a pile of drivel Love it. Next up - Martin Shrekli complains that the drugs his doctor prescribes cost too much. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #2114 February 16, 2016 billvon>If you are following any news outside the huffo post you would know that what you just posted >here is a pile of drivel Love it. Next up - Martin Shrekli complains that the drugs his doctor prescribes cost too much. You are easily distracted......."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #2115 February 16, 2016 GeorgiaDonQuoteAnyone but HRC would already be doing hard time in prison. I was not aware that Colin Powell was doing hard time! Is he in the same prison as Condoleezza Rice's staff? Also is there a distinction between sending and receiving unclassified classified information? Seems like an interesting strategy: send someone an unclassified email, retroactively relabel it classified, then prosecute them for receiving the email you sent. Now that's a tactic Karl Rove would be proud of. DonWhen did either of them have their own personal email server, knowing that it would be an issue if the info got out, yet went ahead with them anyway . . . Just because it was easier?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 798 #2116 February 16, 2016 I'm going with "the one who was married to the president that had the server installed in the first place". What do I win? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 362 #2117 February 16, 2016 "Like Hillary Clinton, former Secretary of State Colin Powell also used a personal email account during his tenure at the State Department, an aide confirmed in a statement. “He was not aware of any restrictions nor does he recall being made aware of any over the four years he served at State,” the statement says. “He sent emails to his staff generally via their State Department email addresses. These emails should be on the State Department computers. He might have occasionally used personal email addresses, as he did when emailing to family and friends.” (link) Similar story for Rice's staffers. No they didn't set up their own servers, they used publicly accessible systems such as gmail and yahoo, which are arguable even less secure. If there is a problem here it is in the overzealous retroactive reclassification of communications as secret or confidential, when they were not considered to be sensitive at the time they were sent. Either that, or national security staff failed to properly classify documents in the first place and OKed them for transmission. Setting up a private server was a bad idea, no question. But treasonous? Or even illegal? What specific law was broken? When Powell took office, the state email system was so cumbersome that people could not even access their state email from a desktop computer. No law broken, and an official system so bad you could not even access it. What a surprise that people chose to use a private email for unclassified communications. Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Southsidedvr 0 #2118 February 16, 2016 QuoteWhat a surprise that people chose to use a private email for unclassified communications. You followed all that with this which negates it all. It was classified. Literally or by the nature of its content. So back to my question without all the arguing about something that happened decades ago. Is the woman going to be charged or not? If not her the systems architect who KNEW, and everyone else that was involved in their IT department should be fired or charged. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 798 #2119 February 16, 2016 Apparently it wasn't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #2120 February 16, 2016 DanGWhat is inaccurate about what Don posted? Of course he has completely ignored this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #2121 February 17, 2016 normissApparently it wasn't. Simply by its own nature, some of the information was classified. I would hate to think what would have happened to me if I would have used a personal email to receive communications when I had the clearance I did. I don't think you would ever have heard from me. But that's OK - she must be above the law, right? She has to be. Anyone not in the Clinton dynasty would have been crucified, especially if they were conservative. But again, that's OK - she is a Clinton and above the law.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #2122 February 17, 2016 >I would hate to think what would have happened to me if I would have used a >personal email to receive communications when I had the clearance I did. If you used a personal email address to receive nonclassified information? You would likely have gotten a phone call from your IT security guy saying "bad idea, against policy, don't do it again." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #2123 February 17, 2016 billvon>I would hate to think what would have happened to me if I would have used a >personal email to receive communications when I had the clearance I did. If you used a personal email address to receive nonclassified information? You would likely have gotten a phone call from your IT security guy saying "bad idea, against policy, don't do it again." do you miss the point that some of the information is classified, just by its own nature? Are you ignoring that point on purpose, or does it just not fit your view?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aphid 0 #2124 February 17, 2016 turtlespeeddo you miss the point that some of the information is classified, just by its own nature? I don't mean to be naive, but I don't understand. If a letter, a note, a picture, a file or any other thing is not marked as classified, how on earth can it be interpreted much later as actually, double-dog-dutch, danger-close, seriously, really-for-real, no-kidding-this-time classified because of its own nature. Whatever the hell that (nature) is... I swear. Some people just want to fight about absolutely everything... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 362 #2125 February 17, 2016 Quotedo you miss the point that some of the information is classified, just by its own nature? So if someone sends me an email containing information that is not marked as secret, classified, or confidential, but years later someone decides it should have been classified and retroactively relabels it, then I have committed a crime? How am I supposed to control what other people send to me? How am I supposed to know the content of an email without opening and reading it? This seems like a perfect "gotcha" scheme. Even better, once the email is relabeled "classified" it can't be released to the public. Maybe the "classified" email is about someone's favorite recipe for carrot cake, we'll never know. Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
