OHCHUTE 0 #176 November 14, 2012 Quote>I'm for helping anyone who will produce the most jobs. We could end unemployment tomorrow by offering every unemployed person in the US $50,000 a year to eat donuts. That would not be the best plan overall (IMO.) Thus I think it is wise to look at job creation as the outcome of a good economy, not as a boon a politician promises to those who vote for him. The economics are pretty easy to understand. There is really a war going on between who to support to drive the economy: 1.(Multinational/Labor Union- both in the same realm), 2, small business person and their non union worker, 3 welfare receipant, and 3 gov't worker (the new rich). If you aid #1 you will get what we've been getting for years-- less small business and less total employment. If you aid #2 then the economy will thrive as more jobs will be created. This is why Romney lost in part aside from other factors is that #1 is truly a job killer. Romeny was big business and that's how he made his money. And we are hamstringed by having DC owned by #1, the reason we are in the mess we are in. People seem to fail to realize that stock firms, and multinationals took business from small business the reason employment has dropped as small business went out of business. Did GM go out of buinsess--NO but thousands of dearlerships (non stock firms) did and they were small business. A thriving small buisness is the key, but stock firms own DC. Plain and simply. Small business does not have the clout as the multinationals. Look who is in the white house today talking to the President. GM, Walmart the largest of the largest stock firms, yet the President informed LABOR (Union part of stock firms) he won't touch middle class. So where is small business/ non labor in the mix-- OUT OF BUSINESS= no decrease in unemployment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #177 November 14, 2012 QuoteThe economics are pretty easy to understand. Proof you have no idea what you're talking about. If it was "pretty easy to understand" then there would be no issue.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #178 November 14, 2012 >There is really a war going on between who to support to drive the economy: >1.(Multinational/Labor Union- both in the same realm), 2, small business person and >their non union worker, 3 welfare receipant, and 3 gov't worker (the new rich). You have two #3's. If you think government workers are "the new rich" you don't know many. Teachers? Soldiers? Police? DMV employees? Not so rich, generally. >This is why Romney lost in part aside from other factors is that #1 is truly a job killer. The #1 employer is the #1 job killer? (More than 50% of Americans work at companies with payrolls of more than 500 people, although they make up less than .3% of US companies.) Interesting theory. >A thriving small buisness is the key The vast majority of small businesses in the US have zero employees. Small businesses are great, but they're not going to hire as many people as the big ones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OHCHUTE 0 #179 November 14, 2012 QuoteQuoteThe economics are pretty easy to understand. Proof you have no idea what you're talking about. If it was "pretty easy to understand" then there would be no issue. There is no issue and it's easy. More people need to work. The reason the econ is in the tank is that 20 million are out of work. Romney as a rich corporate guy attempted to appeal to the small business/ middle class but lost votes doing so. Pretty easy. And Obama took advantage of Romney in that regard early in the race. Although economics are easy to understand what becomes issues are people interests and motivations. But those issues are easy to understand too knowing those positions. The guy on welfare even knows the way to a better economy is more people working, but unfortunately he nor people in his position can help the economy. Small buisness is key. Stock firms are anti labor to aid stock prices. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,500 #180 November 14, 2012 QuoteThere is no issue and it's easy. More people need to work. Well sheeeeit. How comes nobody thoughta that before?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #181 November 14, 2012 >There is no issue and it's easy. More people need to work. Well there ya go. Just have them all work and problem solved. If only you'd been around before the election . . . . >Small buisness is key. Again, most small businesses have zero employees, and large businesses employ more than half of working Americans. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #182 November 14, 2012 QuoteMore people need to work. Even that isn't a guarantee of success. We could have 100% employment, but if the people weren't getting paid enough to be able to make additional purchases and or save anything after normal living expenses it still is a zero net gain to the economy. Again, your "solutions" are far too simplistic.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OHCHUTE 0 #183 November 14, 2012 Quote>There is no issue and it's easy. More people need to work. Well there ya go. Just have them all work and problem solved. If only you'd been around before the election . . . . >Small buisness is key. Again, most small businesses have zero employees, and large businesses employ more than half of working Americans. Obama is up there talking small business, small business, small business extending Bush tax cuts for small biz to help small biz. Turn on your fax machine. I'll fax over all the resumes I'm getting from GE Lockheed, MD, Boeing as they've lost jobs and are now seeking work at non stock firms. I don't see multinational firms hiring anything soon as the market is tanking and adding employees wouldn't help earning. Small biz is key. If you don't think so then that is your opinion. And I respect your opinion. BTW: what are you doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stumpy 284 #184 November 14, 2012 QuoteQuote>There is no issue and it's easy. More people need to work. Well there ya go. Just have them all work and problem solved. If only you'd been around before the election . . . . >Small buisness is key. Again, most small businesses have zero employees, and large businesses employ more than half of working Americans. Obama is up there talking small business, small business, small business extending Bush tax cuts for small biz to help small biz. Turn on your fax machine. I'll fax over all the resumes I'm getting from GE Lockheed, MD, Boeing as they've lost jobs and are now seeking work at non stock firms. I don't see multinational firms hiring anything soon as the market is tanking and adding employees wouldn't help earning. Small biz is key. If you don't think so then that is your opinion. And I respect your opinion. BTW: what are you doing? You still use fax? Wow, things ARE bad!Never try to eat more than you can lift Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #185 November 14, 2012 >Obama is up there talking small business, small business, small business Yep, so was Romney. Small businesses are politically popular, since they 1) traditionally tend to stay entirely in America, 2) give people the impression of "mom and pop" businesses which is a positive image and 3) support of them can be used to counter the idea that the candidate is "in the pocket of big business" or whatever. Don't get me wrong, small businesses are great, and they often grow into big businesses that employ lots of people (we did.) And some big businesses are no doubt bad. I just don't think their size has anything to do with how great or how bad they are. And again, in terms of employment, companies with over 500 employees (which is the line the Small Business Administration uses) employ most of the people in the US. >I don't see multinational firms hiring anything soon We just hired a bunch of people. I guess we're multinational now; we have offices in India and New Zealand. >BTW: what are you doing? Right now? Having lunch. In general? Designing wireless power transmission systems for a company that used to be small (7 people) and is now big (50,000+ people.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #186 November 14, 2012 QuoteDesigning wireless power transmission systems for a company that used to be small (7 people) and is now big (50,000+ people.) Bill is a true "maker" in those terms. His personal efforts allow others to "take" a profit.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #187 November 15, 2012 Whatcha fighting right now, stopping cross talk, improved efficiency at contact distance, or reducing power loss over distance? Saw some very cool DARPA battle field applicable work, but it lost way too much over distance, was too easily jammed, and caused interference with friendly instruments. The wireless charging station feeding mobiles and MP3 players nationwide is much less sexy but justifies a lot more units and makes a lot more money.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ibx 2 #188 November 15, 2012 http://www.salon.com/2012/11/14/georgia_gopers_hold_meeting_over_obama_mind_control_conspiracy/ A little out of touch with reality ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #189 November 15, 2012 www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2012/11/why_romney_was_surprised_to_lose_his_campaign_had_the_wrong_numbers_bad.html... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #190 November 15, 2012 Reminds me of the Democrats claims that Republicans have a war on women. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #191 November 15, 2012 Quote Reminds me of the Democrats claims that Republicans have a war on women. It matters not what you think of Democrats claims that Republicans have a war on women. What matters is what voting women think.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #192 November 15, 2012 Quote Quote Reminds me of the Democrats claims that Republicans have a war on women. It matters not what you think of Democrats claims that Republicans have a war on women. What matters is what voting women think. What matters is if you trust a government so willing to bullshit you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #193 November 15, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Reminds me of the Democrats claims that Republicans have a war on women. It matters not what you think of Democrats claims that Republicans have a war on women. What matters is what voting women think. What matters is if you trust a government so willing to bullshit you. Your replies are exemplars of why Republicans lost, and will continues to lose.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #194 November 15, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Quote Reminds me of the Democrats claims that Republicans have a war on women. It matters not what you think of Democrats claims that Republicans have a war on women. What matters is what voting women think. What matters is if you trust a government so willing to bullshit you. Your replies are exemplars of why Republicans lost, and will continues to lose. And your attempts to take everything you dislike about Republicans and claim it's why they lost the election is completely laughable. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #195 November 15, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Reminds me of the Democrats claims that Republicans have a war on women. It matters not what you think of Democrats claims that Republicans have a war on women. What matters is what voting women think. What matters is if you trust a government so willing to bullshit you. Your replies are exemplars of why Republicans lost, and will continues to lose. And your attempts to take everything you dislike about Republicans and claim it's why they lost the election is completely laughable. Seems the voters are in agreement with me. But keep it up, and keep losing, I won't mind.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #196 November 15, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Reminds me of the Democrats claims that Republicans have a war on women. It matters not what you think of Democrats claims that Republicans have a war on women. What matters is what voting women think. What matters is if you trust a government so willing to bullshit you. Your replies are exemplars of why Republicans lost, and will continues to lose. And your attempts to take everything you dislike about Republicans and claim it's why they lost the election is completely laughable. Seems the voters are in agreement with me. But keep it up, and keep losing, I won't mind. You get more hysterical with every post. Are you actually claiming that Obama voters are so shallow in their thinking that they voted for him for the reasons you profess? Seriously, that's what you think of Democrats? Pretty funny stuff. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #197 November 15, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Reminds me of the Democrats claims that Republicans have a war on women. It matters not what you think of Democrats claims that Republicans have a war on women. What matters is what voting women think. What matters is if you trust a government so willing to bullshit you. Your replies are exemplars of why Republicans lost, and will continues to lose. And your attempts to take everything you dislike about Republicans and claim it's why they lost the election is completely laughable. Seems the voters are in agreement with me. But keep it up, and keep losing, I won't mind. You get more hysterical with every post. Are you actually claiming that Obama voters are so shallow in their thinking that they voted for him for the reasons you profess? Seriously, that's what you think of Democrats? Pretty funny stuff. It's really funny watching someone in such serious denial.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #198 November 15, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Reminds me of the Democrats claims that Republicans have a war on women. It matters not what you think of Democrats claims that Republicans have a war on women. What matters is what voting women think. What matters is if you trust a government so willing to bullshit you. Your replies are exemplars of why Republicans lost, and will continues to lose. And your attempts to take everything you dislike about Republicans and claim it's why they lost the election is completely laughable. Seems the voters are in agreement with me. But keep it up, and keep losing, I won't mind. You get more hysterical with every post. Are you actually claiming that Obama voters are so shallow in their thinking that they voted for him for the reasons you profess? Seriously, that's what you think of Democrats? Pretty funny stuff. It's really funny watching someone in such serious denial. So, was that a yes or a no? Not that I think you will answer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #199 November 15, 2012 Quote Are you actually claiming that Obama voters are so shallow in their thinking that they voted for him Only the black ones according to you Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #200 November 15, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Reminds me of the Democrats claims that Republicans have a war on women. It matters not what you think of Democrats claims that Republicans have a war on women. What matters is what voting women think. What matters is if you trust a government so willing to bullshit you. Your replies are exemplars of why Republicans lost, and will continues to lose. And your attempts to take everything you dislike about Republicans and claim it's why they lost the election is completely laughable. Seems the voters are in agreement with me. But keep it up, and keep losing, I won't mind. You get more hysterical with every post. Are you actually claiming that Obama voters are so shallow in their thinking that they voted for him for the reasons you profess? Seriously, that's what you think of Democrats? Pretty funny stuff. It's really funny watching someone in such serious denial. So, was that a yes or a no? Not that I think you will answer. Invalid questions don't deserve answers. Just keep up the denial, I don't mind. I'm sure women, Hispanics, young people, and other minorities won't mind either. Nor will the people with graduate degrees and others who can do math. They'll just keep your guys out of office for longer.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
