Jerusalem: Eternal Capital of Palestine

[Kennedy 0]

Figured everyone would be tired of US-centric threads, so here's some international flavor:

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Abbas 'Victory Speech': Jerusalem 'Eternal Capital of Palestine'
Yesterday, 2:58 PM
PA Chairman promises that someday the PA flag will fly over “Jerusalem, eternal capital of the state of Palestine.”

Personally, I'm still waiting for him to decide exactly what IS Palestine. West Bank? Gaza? Golan Heights? All three? Who says he should speak for all three, since Gaza is run by Hamas? Or has he gone full Hamas and decided that "Palestine" is all three plus all land currently labelled Israel?

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[skinnay 0]

And that concludes the american conservative world news report for tonight, thank you and have a good night.

[Kennedy 0]

You have an answer to any of those questions, or are you comfortable mischaracterizing the OP and leaving?

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[DiverMike 5]

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"Palestine" is all three plus all land currently labelled Israel?

I don't have a dog in this fight and I can't begin to speak intelligently about the Israel/Palestine issue, but I would think he was referring to the boundaries of Palestine prior to the 1947 United Nations Partition Plan. That is the area of land bordered by Egypt, Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon (to use your words: "all land currently labelled Israel").

For the same reason I jump off a perfectly good diving board.

[kd5xb 1]

I wasn't around at the end of WW2, but someone told me that land was given to create the country of Israel, and ALSO land was given for a Palistinian state that today we call Jordan. But I don't know either way.

I'm a jumper. Even though I don't always have money for jumps, and may not ever own a rig again, I'll always be a jumper.

[davjohns 1]

The history is now muddled by everyone placing spin on it and such. From what I have found, much of the land was purchased from absentee landholders. The Palestinian nomads who inhabited the region claimed the cultural norm was that whoever was on the land, owned it. The first Zionists allowed the nomads to work the land for a period after taking ownership as a compromise. But there were racial problems from the beginning that continued to grow. Today, many Palestinians claim the original purchases were fraudulent, but I'm not aware of any actual evidence to that effect.

So, there has been a dispute from the beginning.

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

[DiverMike 5]

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So, there has been a dispute from the beginning.

More like a clusterfuck.

For the same reason I jump off a perfectly good diving board.

[davjohns 1]

Roger. Lots of it revolves around racism. None of the Arab countries want the Palestinians. The greater part of them live in refugee camps in surrounding countries and have for generations. Those countries don't want them and will not let them become citizens. Nobody likes to talk about that. Those countries are mostly Arab, so they would prefer to hold the refugees hostage to exacerbate the situation and pretend Israel is always the bad guy. Not that Israel is pristine, but nobody wanted that land until the Jews made it a worthwhile place to live.

Of course, I lean toward the Israeli position, so I encourage you to do your own research. But you'll find the Israelis have ordinarily been responding to attacks when they are painted as the bad guys. The whole Jerusalem issue comes from the Six Days war. Israel was attacked. Jordan joined in. Jordan lost their part of Jerusalem. Spoils of war in my opinion.

Moral of the story: Don't screw with Israel. They tend to kick ass.

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

[DiverMike 5]

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I encourage you to do your own research.

I have read enough articles to feel there isn't an absolute truth that will reveal itself to a researcher. It is also difficult to find an unbiased account (if such an account exists). If anybody can recommend what they would consider to be an unbiased book, I'd be interested in reading it.

It is clear Israel tends to kick ass. Part of that is because Palestinians tend to bring "knives to a gunfight".

For the same reason I jump off a perfectly good diving board.

[loch1957 0]

http://www.targetofopportunity.com/palestinian_truth.htm

http://www.wnd.com/2002/07/14501/

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[Southern_Man 0]

I believe they asked the U.N. to recognize Palesting based on the 1967 borders.

"What if there were no hypothetical questions?"

[DiverMike 5]

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http://www.targetofopportunity.com/palestinian_truth.htm
http://www.wnd.com/2002/07/14501/

I looked at both websites. You and I have a completely different definition of the word 'unbiased'.

I was thinking more along the lines of http://www.btselem.org/about_btselem

For the same reason I jump off a perfectly good diving board.

[muff528 3]

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I believe they asked the U.N. to recognize Palesting based on the 1967 borders.

The borders which weren't good enough prior to 1967? The borders, which prior to 1967, defined parts of 3 different sovereign nations (none of them Israel ...nor "Palestine") which attacked Israel from day 1 until 1967 with no intention of offering that land to the Pals? It has never been about the Palestinians. It is about eradicating any idea of non-Islamic rule over any part of any land which had previously been under Islamic tyranny at any time. (Spain? Sicily? ...only a matter of time. There is no schedule.)

[davjohns 1]

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I encourage you to do your own research.

I have read enough articles to feel there isn't an absolute truth that will reveal itself to a researcher. It is also difficult to find an unbiased account (if such an account exists). If anybody can recommend what they would consider to be an unbiased book, I'd be interested in reading it.

It is clear Israel tends to kick ass. Part of that is because Palestinians tend to bring "knives to a gunfight".

Agreed. I can usually tell the historian's personal bias by the way things are written, so I know how much salt to take their 'facts' with. Recommend the same to everyone. I long ago discovered that history is not an absolute.

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

[Skyrad 0]

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Figured everyone would be tired of US-centric threads, so here's some international flavor:

Nice one Kennedy

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[GeorgiaDon 379]

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Part of that is because Palestinians tend to bring "knives to a gunfight".

I think it was Henry Kissinger who said "the Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity".

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[OHCHUTE 0]

It more about the water supply than anything. The world ought to make Jerusalem a World Religious park and forget about who owns it. Make it owned by everyone to sell popcorn and sodas and even throw in the Sikh's and Buddah's. All this fighting and bickering, like a bunch of little kids. Tit for Tat. Palestine belongs to me and what are you going to do about it/. Blah Blah Blah, 2,000 years of this BS and they still can't get it right.