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"Capable of attempting" and "having the will and wherewithal to actually succeed" are two completely different things.

You, for instance, are probably "capable of attempting" to become President of the US.

quade -
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[jakee 1,500]

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What's delusional is to think the UN is not capable of attempting to impose a world wide ban on guns.

Which members of the UN do you think would want to do that? How could it be done? In what way would they attempt to enforce it?


You're more likely to find the boogie man hiding in your closet than a man from the UN raiding your gun rack.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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You're more likely to find the boogie man hiding in your closet than a man from the UN raiding your gun rack.

I agree with Jakee here.

Blue helmet "We're the UN and we're here to take your guns"

regular citizen "no, what are you gonna do about it?"

Blude helmet "er. ....er....er...if you don't, we'll issue a written sanction and bluster in an impotent fashion"

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[Gravitymaster 0]

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What's delusional is to think the UN is not capable of attempting to impose a world wide ban on guns.

Which members of the UN do you think would want to do that? How could it be done? In what way would they attempt to enforce it?


You're more likely to find the boogie man hiding in your closet than a man from the UN raiding your gun rack.

Yeah, next thing you know they will "attempt" something crazy like a Global Tax.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_taxation_system

These types of proposals have a way of continuing to come back up again and again until the "right people" are in place and they are passed. 20 years ago Hillarycare was laughed at too. Guess what!!?? How's that for a boogyman? Problem with extreme left wingers is they don't believe it will happen until it does. By then they have been sold on the idea. A one world government is probably only a few generations away.

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Yeah, next thing you know they will "attempt" something crazy like a Global Tax.

OK, let's have a look at the "attempts" detailed in your link: "The financial transaction tax has been supported by a number of economists.... In 2000, a representative of a “pro Tobin tax” NGO proposed the following.... At the UN September 2001 World Conference against Racism, when the issue of compensation for colonialism and slavery arose in the agenda, Fidel Castro, the President of Cuba, advocated the Tobin Tax to address that issue...."

Fidel Castro - Ooohh, scary!

In case you didn't hear me the first time: boogie-man.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[Gravitymaster 0]

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These are eight international development goals that 192 United Nations member states and at least 23 international organizations have agreed (in 2000) to achieve by the year 2015.

As I said, extreme left winger love to ignore and make excuses until something actually slaps them in the face. Usually bu then, their weak minds have come to accept the inevitable.

[jakee 1,500]

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These [The Millennium Development Goals] are eight international development goals that 192 United Nations member states and at least 23 international organizations have agreed (in 2000) to achieve by the year 2015.

You missed a spot: "According to Dr. Stephen Spratt, "the revenues raised could be used for....international development objectives...such as meeting the [ Millennium Development Goals ]."

Does Dr. Stephen Spratt work for the UN? No he doesn't. Is he making a statement of UN policy or intentions? No he isn't.

If my weak mind can figure that out, what excuse does your mighty consciousness have for missing it? I think you may be trying to deliberately mislead us into believing there are monsters under the bed. Save it for your kids.

(And don't think that no-one has noticed that a discussion of world taxes is nothing but a diversion from having to defend your absurd notion of "The UN" deciding to steal your bang-sticks.)

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[Gravitymaster 0]

Only a weak mind could ignore that 192 member countries have signed on. It will be passed eventually, just as a UN ban on gun manufacturing for private citizens will, eventually. Ignore it all you want, it won't change the reality.

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Only a weak mind could ignore that 192 member countries have signed on.

[Sigh] Like I just said, leave the games to the children.

192 countries have signed on to the Millennium Development Goals. The Millennium Development Goals* are not the global tax that you were just talking about, and a global tax has nothing to do with a UN gun ban that you were talking about before that.

Just how many unrelated UN programs are you going to cycle through before we get back to square 1 and you're forced to actually talk about the ludicrous idea of a 'UN ban on guns'?



* In case you're not being intentionally obtuse and you think you really do have a point, these are the Millennium development Goals that 193 countries have signed up to. Let me know which one of those says 'global financial transaction tax'.

1) Eradicating extreme poverty and hunger,
2) Achieving universal primary education,
3) Promoting gender equality and empowering women,
4) Reducing child mortality rates,
5) Improving maternal health,
6) Combating HIV/AIDS, malaria, and other diseases,
7) Ensuring environmental sustainability, and
8) Developing a global partnership for development.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[Gravitymaster 0]

Bringing up the Global Tax was only using an example of the capabilities of the UN.

Assuming you aren't being intentionally obtuse and/or argumentative let me explain it to you in a way that you can better understand. Lets suppose it's 1933 and Roosevelt is President. I say to you Jakee

GM"It's possiy that the government will pass a law that requires all American to purchase healthcare".

Jakee: "That some delusional right wing paranoia. You must have boogie men under your bed".

GM:"Well it could happen. I understand there's a proposal that would require people to start paying into some new program called Social Security"

Jakee: "See more right wing delusions. You are just saying this because you had Roosevelt. It's because he's disabled. Why do you hate the handicapped? This is just another boogie man you have hiding under your bed".

GM: Well, maybe but if they get this through, I hear there's something else on the horizon called Medicare, which is medical insurance for people over 65".

Jakee "Aww bollocks, just more right wing delusions".

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Bringing up the Global Tax was only using an example of the capabilities of the UN.

And it's an example of something that they have never done, never tried to do, never shown any desire to do and are incapable of doing.

So... how does that demonstrate their ability to steal your guns?

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Assuming you aren't being intentionally obtuse and/or argumentative let me explain it to you in a way that you can better understand. Lets suppose it's 1933 and Roosevelt is President. I say to you Jakee

GM"It's possiy that the government will pass a law that requires all American to purchase healthcare".

Jakee: Quite possible. Indeed, some western nations already have some form of such a system.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[mr2mk1g 10]

The UN ain't never getting our guns Mr Tibblesworth!

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The UN ain't never getting our guns Mr Tibblesworth!

Mr Flibble is very cross that you're keeping your guns from the UN. What should we do with them Mr Flibble?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[thedude911 0]

You all might find this interesting.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8

In other words, from 2007-2011 firearm homicides decreased 15% despite millions of additional guns with no limits on magazine size or military features (besides in states where those are already controlled).

[rushmc 23]

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You all might find this interesting.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8

In other words, from 2007-2011 firearm homicides decreased 15% despite millions of additional guns with no limits on magazine size or military features (besides in states where those are already controlled).

Oh hell
There you go throwing facts a gun banners again
They dont care
Just like they do not like to hear that mass shooting have and are trending down since the 1960's

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Skyrad 0]

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You all might find this interesting.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8

In other words, from 2007-2011 firearm homicides decreased 15% despite millions of additional guns with no limits on magazine size or military features (besides in states where those are already controlled).

Yes that is interesting but we all know that the new legislation to ban certain firearms is about media spin and political wrangling not stopping mass shootings. Which as terrible as they are are only a tiny proportion of murders involving a gun. More people are killed by blunt objects than rifles.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[Skyrad 0]

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You all might find this interesting.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8

In other words, from 2007-2011 firearm homicides decreased 15% despite millions of additional guns with no limits on magazine size or military features (besides in states where those are already controlled).

Oh hell
There you go throwing facts a gun banners again
They dont care
Just like they do not like to hear that mass shooting have and are trending down since the 1960's

Since when have I been a gun banner?

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[rushmc 23]

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You all might find this interesting.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8

In other words, from 2007-2011 firearm homicides decreased 15% despite millions of additional guns with no limits on magazine size or military features (besides in states where those are already controlled).

Oh hell
There you go throwing facts a gun banners again
They dont care
Just like they do not like to hear that mass shooting have and are trending down since the 1960's

Since when have I been a gun banner?

I did not call you or imply that you are one
I know you are not for banning guns
I am not sure why you think that comment was aimed at you?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Skyrad 0]

because the post you referred to was a response to me.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

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because the post you referred to was a response to me.

I responded to thedude911 I thought

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Skyrad 0]

No worries

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[Bayouth 0]

More interesting info...

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-1

In the last 20 years, U.S. violent crime rates have fallen by 50%.

The murder rate is down 54% over the same period.

Here is some info on England and Wales. (Pg 11)

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/publications/science-research-statistics/research-statistics/crime-research/hosb0812/hosb0812?view=Binary

With a population of about 55 million, the violent crime rate is 3-4 times higher than in the U.S.

The murder rate is much lower, compared to the U.S.

Lots of good information here... Use it wisely...

-- Yeah... I'm the tall one...

[jakee 1,500]

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In the last 20 years, U.S. violent crime rates have fallen by 50%.

The murder rate is down 54% over the same period.

Here is some info on England and Wales. (Pg 11)

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/...hosb0812?view=Binary

With a population of about 55 million, the violent crime rate is 3-4 times higher than in the U.S.

This has been talked about a fair bit before. While murder is murder everywhere, the definition and reporting of violent crime vary massively from country to country.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[Bayouth 0]

My apologies... I don't wander into SC very often. Should have looked around a bit more...

Blue Skies!

-- Yeah... I'm the tall one...