yoink 321 #1 January 10, 2013 QuoteA gunman has shot two people at a high school in California, police have said. One victim suffered a "major injury", the other a "minor injury" in the shooting at Taft High School in Bakersfield, about 80 miles (120km) north of Los Angeles, they added. A city official told the Associated Press that the incident occurred shortly after 09:00 local time (17:00 GMT). US media are reporting that the gunman has been taken into custody. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20975608 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TKoontz 0 #2 January 10, 2013 Just called Dave at the DZ, everyone there is ok (my first thoughts went to our manifest angels). From Dave: Kid was suspended last year for having a hit list, came in today with a shotgun, shot one boy, blast nicked a teacher too. Non life threatening injuries Some scary shit right there Find your peace, though the world around you burns Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #3 January 10, 2013 Quote Just called Dave at the DZ, everyone there is ok (my first thoughts went to our manifest angels). From Dave: Kid was suspended last year for having a hit list, came in today with a shotgun, shot one boy, blast nicked a teacher too. Non life threatening injuries Some scary shit right there Hmmmm... seems like, with a 'hit list' and having been suspended, the kid just might have anger issues and someone should've kept an eye on him. Another one slipped through the cracks. Real shame. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TKoontz 0 #4 January 10, 2013 Imagine how many probably do. No pun intended, but it looks like the school district (or whoever was overseeing the situation and decided on punishment at the time) dodged a bullet on this one. Imagine had he killed someone, or several. People would be outraged at the lack of action taken. Small town, smaller school, nobody dead, this will probably pass under the radar on most big outlets, but maybe some will see it as a sign of taking threats far more seriously...today was a lucky day Find your peace, though the world around you burns Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #5 January 10, 2013 Quote Imagine how many probably do. No pun intended, but it looks like the school district (or whoever was overseeing the situation and decided on punishment at the time) dodged a bullet on this one. Imagine had he killed someone, or several. People would be outraged at the lack of action taken. Small town, smaller school, nobody dead, this will probably pass under the radar on most big outlets, but maybe some will see it as a sign of taking threats far more seriously...today was a lucky day No doubt! Just another example of how complacancy can get you killed. Folks need to be more aware of their surroundings. That is what has become of our society. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TKoontz 0 #6 January 10, 2013 Schools need (and I'm sure some have them) a zero tolerance policy. A kid comes in with a hit list, it gets treated as a very real death threat. No questions asked; he gets arrested on the spot, expelled, not to come within 500 yards of the school, placed on a watch list, gets psych evals (or less traumatic: visits from a counselor from time to time to assess his mental well being), his parents are brought in and questioned by a social worker about home life, warning signs, maybe an investigator comes by to ensure all firearms are safely stored and not accessible...etc. A suspension just seems (partially because of the current social climate) silly...Find your peace, though the world around you burns Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dropdeded 0 #7 January 10, 2013 Funny that dz dot seems to be a better source of info than the our local (Bakersfield) news, national news.. ------------------------------------------ The Dude Abides. - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #8 January 10, 2013 QuoteSchools need (and I'm sure some have them) a zero tolerance policy. A kid comes in with a hit list, it gets treated as a very real death threat. No questions asked; he gets arrested on the spot, expelled, not to come within 500 yards of the school, placed on a watch list, gets psych evals (or less traumatic: visits from a counselor from time to time to assess his mental well being), his parents are brought in and questioned by a social worker about home life, warning signs, maybe an investigator comes by to ensure all firearms are safely stored and not accessible...etc. A suspension just seems (partially because of the current social climate) silly... To someone with a mental problem, 'suspension' could be a motive. What you suggest, should be looked into. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #9 January 10, 2013 Quote Funny that dz dot seems to be a better source of info than the our local (Bakersfield) news, national news.. Nobody dead. He didn't use one of those evil "Assault Rifles", Not worth reporting."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
regulator 0 #10 January 10, 2013 Quote Quote Imagine how many probably do. No pun intended, but it looks like the school district (or whoever was overseeing the situation and decided on punishment at the time) dodged a bullet on this one. Imagine had he killed someone, or several. People would be outraged at the lack of action taken. Small town, smaller school, nobody dead, this will probably pass under the radar on most big outlets, but maybe some will see it as a sign of taking threats far more seriously...today was a lucky day No doubt! Just another example of how complacancy can get you killed. Folks need to be more aware of their surroundings. That is what has become of our society. Another word for this would be situational awareness. An excellent trait to practice daily. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #11 January 10, 2013 problem is there are just too many laws in place to protect the shooter, mostly before he becomes a shooter. Suspension was most likely as far as the school could go. Order psych eval? On whose authority?Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yoink 321 #12 January 10, 2013 You don't hear about this stuff in any other country - there has to be some underlying factor that is accounting for taking a gun into school and blowing away some of your classmates being seen as some sort of acceptable / cool / viable option. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #13 January 10, 2013 QuoteYou don't hear about this stuff in any other country - there has to be some underlying factor that is accounting for taking a gun into school and blowing away some of your classmates being seen as some sort of acceptable / cool / viable option. In how many other developed countries are guns seen as the answer?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TKoontz 0 #14 January 10, 2013 I'm no master of law, perhaps lawrocket or Andy could enlighten us further, but if someone is considered a threat to society or themselves isn't there an option of a 5150 or something? Someone comes to a school, threatening to shoot the place up, is that not justification for arrest and proper countermeasures such as some, if not all of the aforementined options I suggested?Find your peace, though the world around you burns Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #15 January 10, 2013 What's interesting is it appears in this case there actually is more than one way to stop a bad man with a gun. In this case, it was a good teacher who wasn't a good man with a gun, but instead had a silver tongue. He talked the gunman down.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #16 January 10, 2013 QuoteWhat's interesting is it appears in this case there actually is more than one way to stop a bad man with a gun. In this case, it was a good teacher who wasn't a good man with a gun, but instead had a silver tongue. He talked the gunman down. shooting his mouth off words are dangerous and should be controlled ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #17 January 10, 2013 QuoteWhat's interesting is it appears in this case there actually is more than one way to stop a bad man with a gun. In this case, it was a good teacher who wasn't a good man with a gun, but instead had a silver tongue. He talked the gunman down.[/reply He's lucky he wasn't shot and killed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #18 January 11, 2013 QuoteWhat's interesting is it appears in this case there actually is more than one way to stop a bad man with a gun. In this case, it was a good teacher who wasn't a good man with a gun, but instead had a silver tongue. He talked the gunman down. so I guess those Sandy Hook teachers had it coming...should have been more skilled, right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #19 January 11, 2013 QuoteHe's lucky he wasn't shot and killed. As is EVERYBODY who faces some nutcase with a gun and lives. EVERYBODY. Including professional, armed, law enforcement.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #20 January 11, 2013 QuoteSomeone comes to a school, threatening to shoot the place up, is that not justification for arrest and proper countermeasures such as some, if not all of the aforementined options I suggested? Sure it is. Then the person gets tried or pleas out and goes home. That's our sentence. Unless you are proposing a life without parole sentence for some 14 year old who says, "Tommy won't leave me alone. I want to kill him." Which some may have problems with... My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TKoontz 0 #21 January 11, 2013 Certainly not. That's far too reactionary. I'm suggesting that there only be a system in place where the threat maker is observed and interviewed (legal guardians as well) to determine if his threats are credible or if he's just an angry kid saying dumb things. 100% effective? Hardly. More effective than a legal wrist slap which will likely only cause further embarrassment and resent? I'm not sure, let's find out.Find your peace, though the world around you burns Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
kelpdiver 2 #18 January 11, 2013 QuoteWhat's interesting is it appears in this case there actually is more than one way to stop a bad man with a gun. In this case, it was a good teacher who wasn't a good man with a gun, but instead had a silver tongue. He talked the gunman down. so I guess those Sandy Hook teachers had it coming...should have been more skilled, right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #19 January 11, 2013 QuoteHe's lucky he wasn't shot and killed. As is EVERYBODY who faces some nutcase with a gun and lives. EVERYBODY. Including professional, armed, law enforcement.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #20 January 11, 2013 QuoteSomeone comes to a school, threatening to shoot the place up, is that not justification for arrest and proper countermeasures such as some, if not all of the aforementined options I suggested? Sure it is. Then the person gets tried or pleas out and goes home. That's our sentence. Unless you are proposing a life without parole sentence for some 14 year old who says, "Tommy won't leave me alone. I want to kill him." Which some may have problems with... My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TKoontz 0 #21 January 11, 2013 Certainly not. That's far too reactionary. I'm suggesting that there only be a system in place where the threat maker is observed and interviewed (legal guardians as well) to determine if his threats are credible or if he's just an angry kid saying dumb things. 100% effective? Hardly. More effective than a legal wrist slap which will likely only cause further embarrassment and resent? I'm not sure, let's find out.Find your peace, though the world around you burns Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
