Today show NBC news "No AR 15 used at sandy hook.

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>Sales is what they are angling for.

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Newtown, political proposals fuel increased gun sales
By Kevin Smith
Posted: 01/23/2013 04:53:31 PM PST

Sales of guns and ammo have ramped up dramatically in California following last month's Connecticut school shooting and subsequent calls for tightened gun-control measures.

Manufacturers and retailers say they're scrambling to keep up with the demand.

"The supply chain is broken," said Jeff Foutz, a salesman with the Bain and Davis Gun Shop in San Gabriel. "First off, you had many of the manufacturers shutting down for a couple weeks at Christmas to do their maintenance. Then the Connecticut tragedy happened and right away you had 20 politicians in front the cameras trying to make their political bases happy."

The resulting "perfect storm" of events spooked many gun owners into buying whatever they could get their hands on while it was still legal, Foutz said.

"It's been brisk," he said. "We are not a big firearms seller, but we pretty much sold all that we had and now we can't be re-supplied."

It's the same story at firearms and ammo manufacturer Ten-X Ammunition Inc. in Rancho Cucamonga, according to Richard Pumerantz, the company's president.

"We just got back from the Shot Show in Las Vegas, the largest gun industry trade show in the world, and of course all of the various rulings and positions of the government were announced while we were up there," he said. "After we returned it's been quite crazy with the number of calls. People are buying like it's going out of style."

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"That causes back orders," he said. "We're probably six months behind on many of our calibers, and others may be about four to six weeks behind. There's very little left on the shelf."

Pumerantz said sales of guns and ammunition first began to tick up following the re-election of President Obama, who last week outlined a gun-control plan that would include universal background checks for gun sales, reinstatement and strengthening of the assault weapons ban, capping ammunition magazines to a 10-round limit and improving mental health resources, among other features.


MSI sells the AR-15, a civilian version of the military M16 assault weapon. But unlike the M16, which allows the user to fire consecutive shots by squeezing the trigger just once, the AR-15 requires the trigger to be pulled for each shot, Stein said.

"You can't just hold the trigger," he said. "That's one of the biggest misleading things - these are not military rifles."

Stein said many guns are hard to come by these days because they've been purchased by gun owners who are worried about potential changes in the gun laws.

"There was so much demand in such a short amount of time that the pipeline got dry," he said. "The joke around here is that the president told us to get rid of the guns. Well, if you look at our display cases ... we got rid of the guns."
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>Sales is what they are angling for.

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Newtown, political proposals fuel increased gun sales
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No shit! I've rolled through a couple stores lately and the shelves are BARE and all the salespeople have this glazed look on their face like they don't know what hit them.

OFF Topic: Assuming no sweeping "executive orders" or bans or crap like that, how long for the pipeline to regenerate so that I can do a little shopping without getting gouged?

ON Topic: The OP just proves what we as skydivers already knew: the media ALWAYS gets it wrong.


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Before going into tin-foil hat conspiracy theory territory let's get the facts from a trial.

Before banning so-called "assault weapons" because of this shooting incident, let's get the facts and find out whether or not one was actually used. Because if not, then the justification and emotional appeal goes down the drain. And we shouldn't create new laws that affect millions of innocent citizens, based upon incorrect facts.

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>Sales is what they are angling for.

And they got it.

So you believe that the Connecticut Senator's conspired to gain profits on the gun sales then. Interesting.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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Before going into tin-foil hat conspiracy theory territory let's get the facts from a trial.

Before banning so-called "assault weapons" because of this shooting incident, let's get the facts and find out whether or not one was actually used. Because if not, then the justification and emotional appeal goes down the drain. And we shouldn't create new laws that affect millions of innocent citizens, based upon incorrect facts.

Why does it matter if it was used? He had it with him.

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Before going into tin-foil hat conspiracy theory territory let's get the facts from a trial.

Before banning so-called "assault weapons" because of this shooting incident, let's get the facts and find out whether or not one was actually used. Because if not, then the justification and emotional appeal goes down the drain. And we shouldn't create new laws that affect millions of innocent citizens, based upon incorrect facts.

Why does it matter if it was used? He had it with him.

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I have several weapons with me. They are there doing the same thing the AR did. Nothing.

The hoopla of the AR being the cause is equal to saying that a SUV was responsible for running over a child in a crosswalk.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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I have several weapons with me. They are there doing the same thing the AR did. Nothing.

Pretty big assumption on your part.

Show me something like a coroner's report that says no shots were fired from the AR-15.

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I have several weapons with me. They are there doing the same thing the AR did. Nothing.

Pretty big assumption on your part.

Show me something like a coroner's report that says no shots were fired from the AR-15.

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What part of "wasn't used" did you miss?

Only hand guns were used.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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>What does it matter if it was used? He had it with him.

It matters alot if the media knew he did not use the rifle, yet reported he had used it.
I'm not saying this report is right or wrong,but if it is right,then it seems like there is alot of the usual spin to distort the facts in support of an agenda.

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Why does it matter if it was used? He had it with him.

Well, the argument for banning magazines that can hold more than 10 rounds and banning the part that goes up is, upon last inspection, that they are allegedly what enable so many to be killed in a tragedy like this. Seeing as this opinion is based on anecdotal evidence, one would think that at the very least the anecdotes would have to be accurate.

Personally, I think you had it nailed in the first four words of your post. The sum total of all the proposed gun control actions and the sum total of all the proposed gun control actions minus the magazine and part that goes up ban will have the exact same effect on things.

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I have several weapons with me. They are there doing the same thing the AR did. Nothing.

Pretty big assumption on your part.

Show me something like a coroner's report that says no shots were fired from the AR-15.

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What part of "wasn't used" did you miss?

Only hand guns were used.

And if you're basing that on the video linked in this thread in this thread . . . there's maybe a bet I'd like to make with you.

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I have several weapons with me. They are there doing the same thing the AR did. Nothing.

Pretty big assumption on your part.

Show me something like a coroner's report that says no shots were fired from the AR-15.

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What part of "wasn't used" did you miss?

Only hand guns were used.

And if you're basing that on the video linked in this thread in this thread . . . there's maybe a bet I'd like to make with you.

Can we all assume you would trust MSNBC?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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No.

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No.

So, are you needing originals now like other posters here sometimes insist on?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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No.

So, are you needing originals now like other posters here sometimes insist on?

I'm needing definitive and factual. Give me a police or coroner's report.

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No.

So, are you needing originals now like other posters here sometimes insist on?

I'm needing definitive and factual. Give me a police or coroner's report.

The book it is in is still stuck in the typewriter.

That info seems to be sequestered for now.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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So then, in the absence of facts, what are you basing your conclusions on? Wishful thinking and a news report that is probably as factual as any other report about the cause of a skydiving accident?

Gimme a break.

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So then, in the absence of facts, what are you basing your conclusions on? Wishful thinking and a news report that is probably as factual as any other report about the cause of a skydiving accident?

Gimme a break.

I have no dog in this fight.

I do think that the report is correct though.
I believe that we will find that the reference to the AR 15 is very similar to the Benghazi fuck up. Lots of misinformation. False reasoning.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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Because the whole AWB ban is directed towards that weapon because it was so deadly and caused all those kids to die. It would be huge shutdown to their cause if it wasn't even used. How can you say what does it matter? More trolling I guess.

Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along,

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So then, in the absence of facts, what are you basing your conclusions on? Wishful thinking and a news report that is probably as factual as any other report about the cause of a skydiving accident?

Gimme a break.

the whole country is basing their conclusions and legislation on those incomplete, incorrect reports. And the most complete, most correct possible reports are being sequestered.

By the time they're released, all the legislation will have been written based on incomplete and incorrect info fueled by emotion.

"gimme a break" please! give us all a break from the media pushing their agenda down our throats and being aided by the courts.

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I have several weapons with me. They are there doing the same thing the AR did. Nothing.

Pretty big assumption on your part.

Show me something like a coroner's report that says no shots were fired from the AR-15.

Yeah, what Quade said.! While you are at it, show me where on the coroner's report that poison gas wasn't used!

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So then, in the absence of facts, what are you basing your conclusions on? Wishful thinking and a news report that is probably as factual as any other report about the cause of a skydiving accident?

Gimme a break.

the whole country is basing their conclusions and legislation on those incomplete, incorrect reports. And the most complete, most correct possible reports are being sequestered.

By the time they're released, all the legislation will have been written based on incomplete and incorrect info fueled by emotion.

"gimme a break" please! give us all a break from the media pushing their agenda down our throats and being aided by the courts.

As Howard said in his biography about bringing gun control to australia -- gun control was not a 'response' to the Port Arthur massacre -- he merely saw the Port Arthur massacre as providing an 'opportunity' to bring in his plans to restrict guns....

If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead.
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No.

So, are you needing originals now like other posters here sometimes insist on?

I'm needing definitive and factual. Give me a police or coroner's report.

your argument reminds me of when hilary clinton was asked hard questions and she threw a temper tantrum. You can wave your fist all you want. When the real report comes out are you going to aplogize to all the gun owners for jumping the gun and backing this stupid ass legislation proposal?

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As Howard said in his biography about bringing gun control to australia -- gun control was not a 'response' to the Port Arthur massacre -- he merely saw the Port Arthur massacre as providing an 'opportunity' to bring in his plans to restrict guns....

as in never let a crisis go to waste.

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