Judge Doesn't Take Crap From Clueless Girl

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[ManagingPrime 0]

The extra 5k for the adios was bs. It would be very difficult for many people to not tell him to f himself.

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I think if she said yes sir a few more times previously and didn't elaborate when he asked her questions regarding what kind of assets she had then she probably wouldn't have received nearly as much of his wrath.

[diablopilot 2]

THe extra 5k was to ensure the individual answers to the crime as charged. The Judge has discretion over the penalty and assigns it to merit the likely hood of recidivation. I would venture he's only going to be able to determine that likelihood based on the actions, demeanor, and acceptance of responsibility of ones actions.

The lack of respect was palpable, and the judge had every bit of evidence to believe that anything less than the maximum penalty would not be enough to attempt to prevent recidivism.

Of course the contempt charge was just a beautiful bit of icing on the cake, seeing a foul mouthed disrespectful jackass taken down a notch was great.

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[ManagingPrime 0]

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The extra 5k for the adios was bs. It would be very difficult for many people to not tell him to f himself.

I don't see why he hiked her bail in the first place. Am I missing something?

He said, "bye. Bye." And she responded "adios"...my guess is he found that response disrespectful, but not quite disrespectful enough to charge her with contempt...thus the extra 5k. Seems a bit provacative.

I'm curious to know; if she appeals does the judge have to explain his reasoning?

[toolbox 0]

Had she not already failed to appear once?
Add to that the disrespect exuding from her and I can see how the judge might be compelled to tack on another 5K.
Flipping the bird and singing fuck off or whatever fuck something she chirped out would get you a bit of jail time in most any court.
Imagine what they would do to her in mexico.

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well the judge is german so we clearly cant hate on him.

that'd be like hating on the german guy in django unchained.

[Andy9o8 2]

Technically, the sole purpose of bail is to ensure the defendant's appearance at trial. The consideration of severity of charges technically only goes to the risk of flight and failure to appear in court. Arguably, bail is not to be used to prevent separate criminality pending trial; and it may never be used to punish in advance of trial.

In reality, if you diss a judge to his face in open court, he'll stick his foot up your ass, and usually get away with it.

[promise5 17]

Loved it!!
Hopefully she learned that a little respect would go a long way.
I grew up saying Yes Sir and Yes Ma'am. I still say them.

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She was being a cocky little bitch the whole time. She had an attitude of “whatever, I don't care.” It doesn't pain me to see her get knocked down a peg or two.

I do take issue with the “bye, bye” “adios” exchange though.

At 2:12, the judge finished mumbling something that's apparently the end of his ruling. He scribbles on and fusses with some papers for about 9 seconds until about 2:21. Then he looks over at her with a look of “oh, you're still here” and says casually (if not with a hint of indignation) “bye, bye”. True to her not-give-a-shit demeanor, she casually replies with “adios.” The judge finding offense at that is pure bullshit.

If he didn't want a casual reply to his casual valediction he should have said something more professional. Sorry, but you can't say “bye, bye” to someone and then claim offense when they reply with “adios” (unless, of coarse, you're a judge I guess).

It's not surprising to me that the rude language and gesture at the end caused her jail time.

Maybe I need to wear a tin foil hat, but I do wonder if the judge was familiar with her from having seen her in his court many times before and actually baited her into saying/doing something so he could jail her.

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[Andy9o8 2]

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So, if an Hispanic says 'adios' to a judge instead of 'goodbye' would that be dissing the judge and validate doubling someone's bail? Or would doubling the bail be considered discriminatory on behalf of the judge?

Every circumstance like that is unique and should be judged on it own particulars, ideally by someone there or with a videotape of everything and everyone. And at the end of the day, there'd still be 2 teams stridently argung each side, like a SC argument. So it goes.

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In the beginning of the exchange between the judge and the lawyer, I think the lawyer indicated that she had no priors.

[Andy9o8 2]

I used to spend a lot of time in the gritty trenches of criminal arraignment courts. Still do, on occasion. Re: both the defendant and the judge, all I can say is: Hoo boy, you have no idea. Yeah, it's pretty typical.

[wayneflorida 0]

Judge is not very professional.

Isn't he suppose to bang a gavel on his desk and say next case or say to the girl she can leave or something. Is the girl suppose to read his mind. Bye bye .

If she said avoir I wonder what the judge would have done?

The judge deserved the finger.

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Ah ok, you're right. At about 0:18, her lawyer clearly says that she has “no priors.” I was too focused on the bye-bye-adios exchange to notice.

Still, the judge's reaction to her casual “adios” after his casual “bye bye” is weird to me. Throughout the proceeding, he sort of acted like he wanted to 'command authority' but yet was acting and speaking casually. Was it the end of the day? Did his wife/mistress not give him pussy the night before? WTF?

This isn't because I think she's a fine upstanding human being (I don't). It's just that something seems off here.

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[Andy9o8 2]

General observation: Lots of judges are assholes.

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That's pretty sad. As the outsider looking in, neither the judge nor the defendant came across looking good IMHO.

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[sfzombie 3]

i didn't watch the video, was it no prior convictions or arrests? there is a big difference. had i been the judge and seen her in my court multiple times and she walked every time, i think i may have been a little pissed, but maybe not.

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i didn't watch the video, was it no prior convictions or arrests? there is a big difference. had i been the judge and seen her in my court multiple times and she walked every time, i think i may have been a little pissed, but maybe not.

The lawful purpose of bail is to guarantee future appearance in court. Prior convictions are relavant to bail, because they affect potential severity of sentence if convicted. The idea is that the greater the potential penalty if convicted, the greater the motivation to jump bail, so that's offset (in theory) by higher bail.

Another factor relevant to bail is how many times, if any, the person has failed to appear for court in the past (they track that).

However, arrests that did not result in convictions, are not supposed to be considered when setting bail, becuase they're generally not supposed to used as sentence-enhancers.

[lawrocket 3]

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Isn't he suppose to bang a gavel on his desk

In over a decade in practice I have never seen a judge use a gavel. Ever.

I wish people didn't get their knowledge of courtroom practice from television and movies. It's a lot more boring than you think.

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If she said avoir I wonder what the judge would have done?

Had she not flipped him off, not much. Had she flipped the bird while saying "avoir" then something would be done. I've seen summary contempt remands before.

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[Andy9o8 2]

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Had she not flipped him off, not much. Had she flipped the bird while saying "avoir" then something would be done. I've seen summary contempt remands before.

[fade in to courtroom scene]

Defendant: Fuck you, Judge.

Judge: Your one warning. Cut it out.

[fade out]

[winsor 236]

That was an IQ test.

She flunked.

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If you were the judge would you have said "your one warning, cut it out" or would you have held her in contempt like he did.

[MikeJD 0]

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If she said avoir I wonder what the judge would have done?

Had she not flipped him off, not much. Had she flipped the bird while saying "avoir" then something would be done. I've seen summary contempt remands before.

What the heck is 'avoir' in this context anyway? Do we mean 'au revoir'?

[davjohns 1]

I thought she was an airhead that doesn't know how to conduct herself in a formal setting. The Judge seemed to have a sense of humor about it. He refused her appointed counsel because she wasn't answering the question about her assets with a dollar amount. Had he appointed counsel, I'm pretty sure the attorney would have quickly had her stop talking.

I thought it was an odd response when he said, "bye" and her reply of "adios" irritated him. I'm not sure why he suddenly decided to change bond with no warning. He had not verbally corrected her. He was chuckling.

Then, of course, she got completely stupid and cussed at him and flipped him off. I don't think he noticed that she flipped him off. But 30 days for cussing him should get her attention. Might have solved the bond issue as well.

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.