billvon 2,998 #51 February 25, 2013 >I did see something about a massive influx of UN vehicles into the USA. Then I am sure the UN will come to "grab our guns" any day now. That would make it the THIRD time all our guns have been confiscated. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #52 February 25, 2013 Go on Bill tell us about the first two times. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toolbox 0 #53 February 25, 2013 >Really? Why? Who knows what might happen? There could be projactiles flying in all directions,and since I'm a big guy,I stand a bigger chance of catching some of them.. Seriously though,it could get nuckin futs around here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #54 February 25, 2013 Well theres fu@k all on TV since Homeland finished.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ManagingPrime 0 #55 February 25, 2013 Apparently, these guys think that first the government will come for the guns and then after taking the guns will try and take god (I'm not sure how that works, because I'm pretty sure god can move faster than light)...and then Americans will fight back.http://dailycaller.com/2013/02/22/black-conservatives-gun-control-has-racist-roots-video/#ooid=dzNTZrOTrZ97m2tk0D4jpk7qDc2TZrJu Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #56 February 25, 2013 Whats the difference between these guys and a AQ and a terrorist training camp when they train to go to war against the US Government? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1Rz7L2Lr34 Case in point, fruitlooping Walts http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63QSm2MWdPs LMAO!!!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-_hsouK4j4 When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ManagingPrime 0 #57 February 25, 2013 Quote Whats the difference between these guys and a AQ and a terrorist training camp when they train to go to war against the US Government? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1Rz7L2Lr34 Case in point, fruitlooping Walts http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63QSm2MWdPs LMAO!!!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-_hsouK4j4 Once they go to war there is absolutely no real difference with the small exception that millions of Americans will be rooting for them. Actually, I think that is the Michigan/Ohio group that got raided...sooooo. Additionally, per a recent homeland security memo groups like them are to be considered potential domestic terrorists...and as such the recent NDAA they could be killed on executive order. Interesting times indeed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sfzombie 3 #58 February 26, 2013 Quote Looks like they're planning on coming to take away they're guns... http://rt.com/usa/nra-gun-ban-confiscation-419/ If it did kick off the next thing would be UN Peacekeeping troops on the streets of the USA aiding US troops and LEOs in restoring law and order and seizing illegal weapons. The armed resistance wouldn't stand a hope in hell. yeah right. and the us troops in vietnam had a huge success against untrained civilians. let anyone try to come here to the mountains and see what happens. there are places you cannot get to except walking and by air, and airdrops are notoriously dangerous when tried in that much forest. and the only dz's and lz's are easily covered. while i am not advocating armed resistance, yet, it's better to be prepared than not to be. and the majority of the people around here are not happy with government anyway. i've talked to a lot of former soldiers who agree with me, we swore to uphold and defend the constitution, not the government, or the people in office. if the constitution gets amended, then that's the will of the people. or a freaking huge lobby, either way, sometimes it really is black and white. as long as the amendment is there, then let the government try to take away my guns.http://kitswv.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #59 February 27, 2013 This is probably the dumbest hypothetical situation that's ever come through this board. And yes, I was witness to the truther threads."I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #60 February 27, 2013 QuoteThis is probably the dumbest hypothetical situation that's ever come through this board. And yes, I was witness to the truther threads. Really? Are you old enough to have a personal memory of race riots, civil rights demonstrations and protests about the Vietnam War and the draft in the 1960s? Malcom X, black Muslims and Black Panthers? The Weather Underground? The "police riot" at the 1968 Democratic Convention? Students shot to death at Kent State and Jackson State? Well, I am. A lot of people wanted to attack soldiers and LEOs about those things. Don't be so fast to cavalierly dismiss the scenario. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #61 February 27, 2013 Yep. But back then 18 year olds were being drafted and sent to a clusterfuck of a war by the hundreds of thousands - and being killed by the tens of thousands. US soldiers were shooting and killing US college students - and getting away with it scot-free. The US was, at any given time, minutes away from a nuclear war with the USSR that would have killed millions. Race riots paralyzed cities. Presidents resigned rather than face impeachment for their crimes committed in an attempt to stay in power. Nowadays there are no race riots, the USSR is gone, there's no draft, the Iraq war has ended, the war in Pakistan is winding down, and soldiers don't shoot college students. Crime is down and people are living longer. But people might not be able to buy as large a magazine for their AK-47 as they want. Things are MUCH MUCH worse. You just don't understand what it's like. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #62 February 27, 2013 QuoteNote: Advocating the overthrow of the US Government by force is against the law. Side note - you're referring to the Smith Act, one of the most egregious federal statutory violations of the First Amendment to exist since the Alien and Sedition Acts, at least until the so-called "Patriot Act came into being. Unfortunately, although the Supreme Court has, from time to time, declared some of the Act's application to be unconstitutional, the Court (or at least a majority bloc on it) hasn't, yet, had the political guts or intellectual honesty to declare most if not all of it unconstitutional on First Amendment grounds. As long as it continues to exist, it will stand as a shameful stain on the law of the land. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #63 February 27, 2013 QuoteYep. But back then 18 year olds were being drafted and sent to a clusterfuck of a war by the hundreds of thousands - and being killed by the tens of thousands. US soldiers were shooting and killing US college students - and getting away with it scot-free. The US was, at any given time, minutes away from a nuclear war with the USSR that would have killed millions. Race riots paralyzed cities. Presidents resigned rather than face impeachment for their crimes committed in an attempt to stay in power. Nowadays there are no race riots, the USSR is gone, there's no draft, the Iraq war has ended, the war in Pakistan is winding down, and soldiers don't shoot college students. Crime is down and people are living longer. But people might not be able to buy as large a magazine for their AK-47 as they want. Things are MUCH MUCH worse. You just don't understand what it's like. And we are over 16T in debt and approximately 50% of the population gets a check from the government. Stop making theose payments and you will quickly see a very different America. Yep, feelin' Groovy...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #64 February 27, 2013 QuoteQuoteThis is probably the dumbest hypothetical situation that's ever come through this board. And yes, I was witness to the truther threads. Really? Are you old enough to have a personal memory of race riots, civil rights demonstrations and protests about the Vietnam War and the draft in the 1960s? Malcom X, black Muslims and Black Panthers? The Weather Underground? The "police riot" at the 1968 Democratic Convention? Students shot to death at Kent State and Jackson State? Well, I am. A lot of people wanted to attack soldiers and LEOs about those things. Don't be so fast to cavalierly dismiss the scenario. Yet even though you and your contemporaries lived through all of this you still passed the Iraq Resolution based upon the OBVIOUSLY HOLLOW issue of WMD's without remembering the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution. But I have no idea what I'm talking about, right?"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #65 February 27, 2013 Quoteapproximately 50% of the population gets a check from the government. Well, there's a bit of misdirection by omission in that statement being out there, without context: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2012/09/romney_says_47_percent_of_americans_receive_direct_government_assistance_is_that_true_.html Quote About 49 percent of Americans live in households that receive some form of government benefits, according to the libertarian Mercatus Center at George Mason University, based on data from 2010.* Not all of those people, however, are dependent on those benefits, as [Mitt] Romney implied [during the campaign]. A significant proportion of government assistance comes in the form of Social Security and Medicare, for which eligibility is based on age rather than need. Considering only “means-tested” programs, such as food stamps, Medicaid, and housing assistance, around 35 percent of Americans live in households that benefit from government assistance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #66 February 27, 2013 QuoteQuoteQuoteThis is probably the dumbest hypothetical situation that's ever come through this board. And yes, I was witness to the truther threads. Really? Are you old enough to have a personal memory of race riots, civil rights demonstrations and protests about the Vietnam War and the draft in the 1960s? Malcom X, black Muslims and Black Panthers? The Weather Underground? The "police riot" at the 1968 Democratic Convention? Students shot to death at Kent State and Jackson State? Well, I am. A lot of people wanted to attack soldiers and LEOs about those things. Don't be so fast to cavalierly dismiss the scenario. Yet even though you and your contemporaries lived through all of this you still passed the Iraq Resolution based upon the OBVIOUSLY HOLLOW issue of WMD's without remembering the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution. But I have no idea what I'm talking about, right? I've never been in Congress, and I didn't help pass anything. Yes, some Dems took Colin Powell at his word and voted yes, while some Dems voted no. (BTW, I'm a moderate, so nothing was done my "my team", either.) Personally, I was always opposed to it, because I understood the lesson of histroy from the Tonkin Gulf Resolution. Nonethless, you are misdirecting; and I stand by my post in response to your post. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #67 February 27, 2013 Then I'm entirely missing your point about how your "personal memory of race riots, civil rights demonstrations and protests about the Vietnam War..." etc has made you clairvoyant regarding how to deal with modern issues. Shouldn't you have been protesting? I personally knew the WMD issue was a crock of shit. So did the CIA (with no action) as a matter of fact (One Source). I knew it was bullshit because of my knowledge of (for starters) the events that happened during your lifetime."I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #68 February 27, 2013 QuoteThen I'm entirely missing your point... Yes, you are, or evading it with misdirection like this: Quotehas made you clairvoyant regarding how to deal with modern issues. I'm done with our silly dance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #69 February 27, 2013 QuoteQuoteQuoteThis is probably the dumbest hypothetical situation that's ever come through this board. And yes, I was witness to the truther threads. Really? Are you old enough to have a personal memory of race riots, civil rights demonstrations and protests about the Vietnam War and the draft in the 1960s? Malcom X, black Muslims and Black Panthers? The Weather Underground? The "police riot" at the 1968 Democratic Convention? Students shot to death at Kent State and Jackson State? Well, I am. A lot of people wanted to attack soldiers and LEOs about those things. Don't be so fast to cavalierly dismiss the scenario. Yet even though you and your contemporaries lived through all of this you still passed the Iraq Resolution based upon the OBVIOUSLY HOLLOW issue of WMD's without remembering the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution. But I have no idea what I'm talking about, right? As one of Andy's contemporaries, I most certainly did NOT pass (or support) the Iraq war resolution, and argued against on just those grounds.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #70 February 27, 2013 QuoteQuoteThen I'm entirely missing your point... Yes, you are, or evading it with misdirection like this: Quotehas made you clairvoyant regarding how to deal with modern issues. I'm done with our silly dance. Nobody puts Baby in the corner. Cheers to you Kallend, it's good to know that others saw through the bullshit and voiced their opinion even while in the minority."I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sfzombie 3 #71 February 27, 2013 voting in other politicians will get the same result. until lobbyists are outlawed or politicians are put in the proper place(employees of us), then the only way to get anything to change and to truly be for the people is armed overthrow of the government. the founding fathers would agreehttp://kitswv.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toolbox 0 #72 February 27, 2013 I am constantly impressed with your knowledge of constitutional law and history. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #73 February 27, 2013 And that changes my point exactly how? Right... It doesn't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #74 February 27, 2013 >And we are over 16T in debt and approximately 50% of the population gets a check >from the government. Yet back during the "Golden Generation's" days our debt was the same (ratio of GDP to debt) and just as many people got checks from the government. Heck, Mitt Romney's father was "on the welfare." He seemed to do OK. But you might not to be able to buy a big magazine for your gun in a year! O the horror. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #75 February 27, 2013 Quote But you might not to be able to buy a big magazine for your gun in a year! O the horror. Right, focus on guns. It helps distract from the utter failure of the President. Feelin Groovy........that's what it's all about. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
