Dumb ass social conservatives

[jakee 1,489]

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I brought that up when what the issue the thread started on was compared to the Civil Rights movement. Yes it is me, and I grew up as did everyone in my extended mothers family proud of all our ethnic backgrounds.

Then just think how great it will be when your family can be proud of the sexual orientation of everyone in it.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[rushmc 23]

I have no problem with gay couples

I have no problem with them getting equal recognition under the law

Marriage is between a man and a women

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[promise5 17]

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That was actually back in September,of last year and I'm sure you know when the last Census was taken.

What was in September?

Which cencus are you talking about? The one in your country, or the one taken in Europe or Africa?

I'm sorry, the form that asked race was filled out in Sept. of last year. and the Census was the U.S. Census

No matter how slowly you say oranges it never sounds like gullible.
Believe me I tried.

[ManagingPrime 0]

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Marriage is between a man and a women

What's so special about marriage that you must make the distinction?

[promise5 17]

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I brought that up when what the issue the thread started on was compared to the Civil Rights movement. Yes it is me, and I grew up as did everyone in my extended mothers family proud of all our ethnic backgrounds.

Then just think how great it will be when your family can be proud of the sexual orientation of everyone in it.

We are very proud of everyone in our family and always have been, and will be.

No matter how slowly you say oranges it never sounds like gullible.
Believe me I tried.

[billvon 2,991]

>Are you saying that it is possible to vote against your moral convictions and NOT
>violate your conscience?

Depends what you are voting for.

I believe that gays should have the right to marry. Thus I would not vote for a law that banned gay marriage; that would go counter to my principles. However, I might vote for a law that banned ALL marriage from receiving government recognition, and relegated such unions to existing contract laws.

So in a way I would be voting against gay marriage - but it would not be "violating my conscience."

[rushmc 23]

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Marriage is between a man and a women

What's so special about marriage that you must make the distinction?

Asking that question shows you would prefer note to not understand to start with. Or even try for that matter

So, there is no need to answer

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[GeorgiaDon 362]

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Boomers are the obstacle. Boomers are also responsible for the changing views race, sex, etc. In this country. Well, the chickens are coming home to roost.

From this comment, and your earlier post about it costing too much to allow people to exercise a basic human right, I'm getting an impression that you put a lot more importance on your wallet than you do on allowing other people to exercise their rights. Should the supreme court have considered the expense of educating non-whites when they decided that whole Brown vs Board of Education thing?

Here's a great piece of music with a message you might want to consider.

You should be aware that there are some things that are more important than putting more money in your pocket.

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...but the fact remains that times are changing. Women do have their own means of support now.

To some extent, yes. But the fact remains, and will always remain, that women and not men can have children. And it is a fact that the system you propose would make it impossible for a couple to collaborate to share responsibilities for raising a family. Your system would penalize any woman or man who chooses family over career. Any time spent not "working" (in the sense of getting a paycheck) would be paid for dearly down the road in terms of an impoverished retirement.

Don

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“Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats)

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I have no problem with gay couples

I have no problem with them getting equal recognition under the law

Marriage is between a man and a women

Wow.

Rushmc is for polygamy.

Guess we know who voted for Romney.

[oldwomanc6 52]

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I have no problem with gay couples

I have no problem with them getting equal recognition under the law

Marriage is between a man and a women

Wow.

Rushmc is for polygamy.

Guess we know who voted for Romney.

How'd you get polygamy out of that?

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I have no problem with gay couples

I have no problem with them getting equal recognition under the law

Marriage is between a man and a women

Wow.

Rushmc is for polygamy.

Guess we know who voted for Romney.

How'd you get polygamy out of that?

Whew! I thought I was the only one scratching my head.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[oldwomanc6 52]

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I have no problem with gay couples

I have no problem with them getting equal recognition under the law

Marriage is between a man and a women

Wow.

Rushmc is for polygamy.

Guess we know who voted for Romney.

How'd you get polygamy out of that?

Whew! I thought I was the only one scratching my head.

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I have no problem with gay couples

I have no problem with them getting equal recognition under the law

Marriage is between a man and a women

Wow.

Rushmc is for polygamy.

Guess we know who voted for Romney.

How'd you get polygamy out of that?

Whew! I thought I was the only one scratching my head.

Bold for emphasis.

What you say is reflective of your knowledge...HOW ya say it is reflective of your experience. Airtwardo

Someone's going to be spanked! Hopefully, it will be me. Skymama

[oldwomanc6 52]

And here I was focused on the article.

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[rehmwa 2]

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I believe that gays should have the right to marry. Thus I would not vote for a law that banned gay marriage; that would go counter to my principles. However, I might vote for a law that banned ALL marriage from receiving government recognition, and relegated such unions to existing contract laws.

the stock response to that is "you hate gays so much, that you'd rather delete it for everyone rather than allow it for them"

So a discussion that actually, and rationally, focuses on individual rights, is viciously shut down because it doesn't push the short term goal.

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[GeorgiaDon 362]

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I believe that gays should have the right to marry. Thus I would not vote for a law that banned gay marriage; that would go counter to my principles. However, I might vote for a law that banned ALL marriage from receiving government recognition, and relegated such unions to existing contract laws.

the stock response to that is "you hate gays so much, that you'd rather delete it for everyone rather than allow it for them"

So a discussion that actually, and rationally, focuses on individual rights, is viciously shut down because it doesn't push the short term goal.

Perhaps. But perhaps this is also a case of "the perfect being made the enemy of the good", which is of course a classic strategy for making sure nothing ever changes. I think much of the hostility towards gay marriage stems from confounding the religious and the legal aspects of "marriage", and the obvious solution is to make a clear distinction between the two by making the legal union a civil contract, and reserving "marriage" strictly for the religious union. But tradition is a strong force, and (as we can see even in this thread) some people have no problem with the idea that the law exists to reflect their own religious beliefs, so it will take time for the logic of divorcing government from marriage to sink in. In the meantime, what are people to do? Should women have waited for the vote until Jim Crow was relegated to history's wastebasket? To use a (typically bad speaker's corner) analogy, it's obviously better to cure a disease than it is to treat it to mask the symptoms. Should AIDS patients forego treatment, waiting instead for a cure? Sometimes half a loaf is vastly better than no loaf at all.

Don

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Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996)
“Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats)

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Thanks for calling my position 'perfect' . I do agree with you, my grump is that well meaning people end up being assholes in a debate that requires clear communication and not the vitriol - pick the individuals on any side of a debate that can't do that - it's the same ones every time.

This whole - take tiny steps in the direction of goodness is a great intent, but it's the cause of a really messed up code. Our law structure/tax codes/etc, in every area, is so completely screwed up, and so nuanced, and so designed to cater to this group or that group, and unnecessarily complex, that I've become a strong advocate of just scrapping the whole mess and starting from scratch. (except it would be the same morons doing that work that messed it up in the first place).

Simple, minimal, direct, without any social engineering involved other than every individual gets the same protections - it's missing, it's needed.

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

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You must feel really smart thinking I haven't told my dad I'm gay
Are you sure you're not the one with issues? I don't believe I got an answer about digging up your old posts.

You obviously do have issues. More than one, I'd say.

If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead.
Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

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Well let's hear what they are doctor.

[promise5 17]

Isn't it like a guy to think they can handle more then one woman. *sigh*

No matter how slowly you say oranges it never sounds like gullible.
Believe me I tried.

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Its not necessary. Your hatred for those who dont feel compassion for your cause is blatant enough.

[ryoder 1,590]

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Isn't it like a guy to think they can handle more then one woman. *sigh*

Well, how can we guys know for sure until we've tried?
It's for...uh...*research*, you know.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[oldwomanc6 52]

I think any guy who wants more than one wife has got to be nuts.

Can you imagine having a dozen wives? It's a well known fact that the cycles of women living together will synchronize. That guy has got to be in a world of hurt one week a month!

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I think any guy who wants more than one wife has got to be nuts.

Can you imagine having a dozen wives? It's a well known fact that the cycles of women living together will synchronize. That guy has got to be in a world of hurt one week a month!

You haven't mentioned the worst part: A dozen mothers-in-law!

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[billvon 2,991]

>I think any guy who wants more than one wife has got to be nuts.

Amen to that. The problems don't just double - they increase exponentially.