Assult weapons ban dropped in the Senate

[rehmwa 2]

I do suspect that a private seller that would respect the a law requiring proof of a background check would also likely just be responsible in his sales already. And would likely also be interested in whether the buyer is also knowledegable about gun safety, handling, transport. Which I think is even more important

And one that wouldn't be responsible today, would likely ignore the new law.

"it's just human nature"

I'm sure it would close a very small gap of those on the edge (as that little reminder to those that are responsible sellers....). I just don't think it would help that much and wouldn't stop the big newsmaking types of attacks that everyone is already kneejerking on.

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[billvon 2,990]

>I do suspect that a private seller that would respect the a law requiring proof
>of a background check would also likely just be responsible in his sales already.

So currently private sellers do background checks on their customers? I haven't seen any indication that this is done at all - much less be "just as likely." Do you have any indication that that's the case?

[rushmc 23]

From Okoboji online classifieds (today)

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Smith and Wesson M&P 22
Bought this a 3 weeks ago, shot about 50 rds through it, decided its just not for me. Asking $390, must be transferred @ a gun shop, u pay fees.
Contact: Logan, logandbz(AT)hotmail.com, Spencer, IA, 51301
Submitted on Monday, March 25, 2013

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Firearms for sale
For sale: New Glock 23, .40 S&W, $525..used Springfield Armory XDM 40 5.25 Comp, black, fiber optic front sight and adjustable rear sight, includes 3 magazines and all XDM gear system components, $625...new Beretta NANO 9MM, includes 6 & 8 round magazines, $425...new Chiappa 1873-22 SA revolver, 22LR, $175. Tannerite 1/2 lb exploding targets are only $5 each. Call, text, or email with questions. Permit to purchase/CCW required.
Contact: Adam Stene, AdamStene@gmail.com, 641*583*0129, Spirit Lake, IA

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[normiss 798]

OMG. There ARE responsible gun owners?
NOT always selling illegally?
NO gun show???
NOOOOOOO!!!!

Refusing to sell to loonies???

I wish the damn gooberment would put half this effort into sorting out the loonies. They're killing our society.

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OMG. There ARE responsible gun owners?
NOT always selling illegally?
NO gun show???
NOOOOOOO!!!!

Refusing to sell to loonies???

I wish the damn gooberment would put half this effort into sorting out the loonies. They're killing our society.

Let first get rid of the loonies including the idiot Biden who recommends standing on the front porch firing warning shot with a shot gun!
There's no responsible people in gov't. Look at Iraq, Afgani, They are disasters. And trillions spent there for nothing.

[billvon 2,990]

>From Okoboji online classifieds

That's cool. It's good to see that some people are indeed doing that, and good evidence that there is nothing preventing it from being done for all gun sales.

[kallend 2,026]

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It is NOT legal but there is no check to prevent it in 33 states. So in those states it is TRIVIALLY easy for a felon or other disqualified individual to buy a gun. And if said felon lives in one of the 17 states that does require a check, all they have to do is drive to one of the other 33 and buy the gun there.

How would a universal background check be enforced?

Derek V

Gun show organizers in 17 states have figured it out. Even Iowa, so it can't be difficult.

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[rehmwa 2]

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>I do suspect that a private seller that would respect the a law requiring proof
>of a background check would also likely just be responsible in his sales already.

So currently private sellers do background checks on their customers? I haven't seen any indication that this is done at all - much less be "just as likely." Do you have any indication that that's the case?

I'm saying private sellers are much like private canopy sellers. The good guys take stock of their customers and do their best. Those that don't won't do it in any case. the last rifle I bought, we had a very nice discussion about guns and history and experience - If he was selling a Velo, I would have been just as impressed.

don't put words in my mouth. "being responsible" does not equal background check. You should stop with this tactic - you're better and smarter than that.

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[billvon 2,990]

> "being responsible" does not equal background check.

OK, I misunderstood you then.

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I don't know where people are getting this idea that no background checks are performed. Who is saying this and why? It's required. What is not required are private sales in some cases but in some states, private sales must be recorded.

[rehmwa 2]

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> "being responsible" does not equal background check.

OK, I misunderstood you then.

thanks -

so, if we made it a LAW for every private seller to have the buyer present his permit to purchase. Will that make the 'irresponsible' private seller actually do it?

(I think it's a good idea actually, but I don't think it's very enforceable)

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[billvon 2,990]

>so, if we made it a LAW for every private seller to have the buyer present his permit
>to purchase. Will that make the 'irresponsible' private seller actually do it?

Actively irresponsible? I'd guess no. Just lazy? Yes, it likely would.

[1969912 0]

Here's a responsible gun seller. Not so sure about the person trying to make the purchase. He may have violated federal law.

"Statement of Douglas MacKinlay, Owner/President, Diamondback Police Supply Co., Inc.

"While I support and respect Mark Kelly’s 2nd Amendment rights to purchase, possess, and use firearms in a safe and responsible manner, his recent statements to the media made it clear that his intent in purchasing the Sig Sauer M400 5.56mm rifle from us was for reasons other then for his personal use. In light of this fact, I determined that it was in my company’s best interest to terminate this transaction prior to his returning to my store to complete the Federal From 4473 and NICS background check required of Mr. Kelly before he could take possession this firearm. A full refund was sent to Mr. Kelly, via express mail, on Thursday of last week.
The Sig Sauer rifle will be donated to the Arizona Tactical Officers Association where it will be raffled off to generate funds the association can use to purchase much needed tactical equipment for the organization’s members. The A.T.O. A. represents the SWAT and Special Response officers of the state’s law enforcement community who regularly place their lives on the line to protect the residents of this state.
Additionally, Diamondback Police Supply will make a $1295.00 contribution (the selling price of the M400 rifle) to the Eddie Eagle GunSafe Program that teaches children, in pre-K through 3rd grade, four important steps to take if they find a gun. The emphasis of the program is on child safety, something that is important to all of us and at the core of the current debate on gun control,” stated Douglas MacKinlay, Owner/President, Diamondback Police Supply Co., Inc."

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"Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ."
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[rushmc 23]

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>From Okoboji online classifieds

That's cool. It's good to see that some people are indeed doing that, and good evidence that there is nothing preventing it from being done for all gun sales.

the laws proposed make criminals out of the law abiding
for one purpose

but

Do it without kept paper work or verified ownership? I got no problem



That is not what they want however

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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It is NOT legal but there is no check to prevent it in 33 states. So in those states it is TRIVIALLY easy for a felon or other disqualified individual to buy a gun. And if said felon lives in one of the 17 states that does require a check, all they have to do is drive to one of the other 33 and buy the gun there.

How would a universal background check be enforced?

Derek V

Gun show organizers in 17 states have figured it out. Even Iowa, so it can't be difficult.

Proposed laws are way beyond what we have in these states today

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 2,990]

>Do it without kept paper work or verified ownership? I got no problem

OK. As long as you maintain some way of verifying that the guy actually did do the background check, I agree.

[rushmc 23]

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I don't know where people are getting this idea that no background checks are performed. Who is saying this and why? It's required. What is not required are private sales in some cases but in some states, private sales must be recorded.

No, they are not
I just bought a gun for my mom

No straw purchase because I know she is legal

The seller did check me however and since I have a permit to carry I am per-approved in the state of Iowa

No paper work. But legally, I needed to know before I sold to her. Same for the seller selling to me

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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So I have to report to the state when I sell you my chain saw, woodchipper, fish cleaning knife, arrows, stones, and broken bottles. And when I want to give my son the gun my dad gave me and his dad gave him that was used in the Revolutionary War I have to report that to?

Why not put to death the perp that murdered all the people. Why not detain violent criminal, instead of letting them out to kill people. Why not just for once, park the cop car outside the night club in DC where there's been a lot of shooting so to prevent shooting instead of having to drive up there at 3am to clean up a shooting!

Why not do community policing?

Bloomberg is waging war with the conservative establishment with his advertising and marketing. Wall street wants to run this country , and their going to use the liberal agenda to enslave the populace. Small business will be gone forever.

[normiss 798]

A simple check box should suffice.

[billvon 2,990]

>So I have to report to the state when I sell you my chain saw, woodchipper, fish
>cleaning knife, arrows, stones, and broken bottles.

Nope. A stone isn't like a gun and shouldn't be treated like one. Anyone who thinks they are probably isn't smart enough to own a gun.

>Why not put to death the perp that murdered all the people.

Because I don't trust the government as much as you do.

>Why not just for once, park the cop car outside the night club in DC where there's
>been a lot of shooting so to prevent shooting instead of having to drive up there at
>3am to clean up a shooting!

Sounds like a good idea! Will you pay for it?

[rushmc 23]

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>Do it without kept paper work or verified ownership? I got no problem

OK. As long as you maintain some way of verifying that the guy actually did do the background check, I agree.

FFL's use NICKS this way today

They do keep local paperwork

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[normiss 798]

Paperwork filled with little check boxes saying something was done.
Sounds right to me.

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>So I have to report to the state when I sell you my chain saw, woodchipper, fish
>cleaning knife, arrows, stones, and broken bottles.

Nope. A stone isn't like a gun and shouldn't be treated like one. Anyone who thinks they are probably isn't smart enough to own a gun.

>Why not put to death the perp that murdered all the people.

Because I don't trust the government as much as you do.

>Why not just for once, park the cop car outside the night club in DC where there's
>been a lot of shooting so to prevent shooting instead of having to drive up there at
>3am to clean up a shooting!

Sounds like a good idea! Will you pay for it?

See that's the liberal talking. It would be a lot cheaper to be a little proactive than to have 100 police, morgue truck, city officials show up to deal with a murder and talk to witnesses. It's fun watching TV and chit chatting on the web.

[billvon 2,990]

>See that's the liberal talking.

Exactly.

Liberal: sounds good, how do we pay for it?

Conservative: we should just do it! It probably won't cost anything, not too clear on the math. And it if does, someone else will pay for it.

[Hooknswoop 19]

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Gun show organizers in 17 states have figured it out. Even Iowa, so it can't be difficult.

The proposal in universal background checks, not just gun shows.

How would universal background checks be enforced?

Derek V