promise5 17 #201 March 27, 2013 Ok This came up in the search: Order to Cease Manufacturing to a Sperm Donor | Trent Arsenault Just thought it was a funny title. How can they order a guy to stop his body from manufacturing sperm??No matter how slowly you say oranges it never sounds like gullible. Believe me I tried. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #202 March 27, 2013 Quote Ok This came up in the search: Order to Cease Manufacturing to a Sperm Donor | Trent Arsenault Just thought it was a funny title. How can they order a guy to stop his body from manufacturing sperm?? Same thought here. I worked with Trent for 10 years (2001-2011). I only learned about his "hobby" a few months after we were no longer working together."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mistercwood 287 #203 March 27, 2013 Quote Don't want to go off subject here but, did child services go after the guy because the mother received aid in some form? Just wondering? Also,and maybe one of the lawyers will know this. If they had written up their own legal agreement would child services still then be able to go after the guy The article's not very long, and the answer's in there, but yes. One of the couple (they were still together) had lost her job, and the family was now on welfare. Child Services demanded to know who the father was as despite their own contracts stating he had no responsibility for the child, they only know to go after the dad. That's for the Kansas one, mind. The UK one they agreed he would have no responsibility, and he is not listed on the birth certificate - either time, as he agreed to donate a second time. Later, the couple split up leaving one woman with the children, and she sought help from the state. They went straight after the donor, yet have made no requests at all from the estranged partner. It was impossible for the women to go through a clinic at the time as the services were solely available to heterosexual couples. No good deed goes unpunished, as they say... You are playing chicken with a planet - you can't dodge and planets don't blink. Act accordingly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 0 #204 March 27, 2013 QuoteJust wanted to mention this. I believe there was a child support suit in the news about a female "gay" couple that asked a friend to donate sperm. Got pregnant and after having the baby or babies they broke up and the mother went after the "guy" friend for child support. I think that happen in England though and it was all private without a clinic involved. How is this different than if an infertile hetero couple did the same thing using a donor sperm or egg, then broke up and later went after the donor???? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #205 March 27, 2013 QuoteQuoteJust wanted to mention this. I believe there was a child support suit in the news about a female "gay" couple that asked a friend to donate sperm. Got pregnant and after having the baby or babies they broke up and the mother went after the "guy" friend for child support. I think that happen in England though and it was all private without a clinic involved. How is this different than if an infertile hetero couple did the same thing using a donor sperm or egg, then broke up and later went after the donor???? It's not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #206 March 27, 2013 Quote Quote If you're going to use a turkey baster instead of a clinic and a lawyer, then ...... There is a lawyer joke in there somewhere; I just can't put my finger on it... A turkey baster puts it in you. A lawyer sucks it outta you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mistercwood 287 #207 March 27, 2013 Quote Quote Quote Just wanted to mention this. I believe there was a child support suit in the news about a female "gay" couple that asked a friend to donate sperm. Got pregnant and after having the baby or babies they broke up and the mother went after the "guy" friend for child support. I think that happen in England though and it was all private without a clinic involved. How is this different than if an infertile hetero couple did the same thing using a donor sperm or egg, then broke up and later went after the donor???? It's not. Actually, with respect, it is. Going through a clinic, the donor is protected from situations like this legally. At the time the example here occurred, going through a clinic was not in any way an option for a non-hetero couple, hence no legal protection in this scenario. Apparently the laws have been updated since. EDIT: Typing on autopilot, made a glaring error in the first sentence. You are playing chicken with a planet - you can't dodge and planets don't blink. Act accordingly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Southern_Man 0 #208 March 27, 2013 Quote Actually, with respect, it is. Going through a clinic, the donor is protected from situations like this legally. At the time the example here occurred, going through a clinic was not in any way an option for a non-hetero couple, hence no legal protection in this scenario. Apparently the laws have been updated since. EDIT: Typing on autopilot, made a glaring error in the first sentence. Also, if the hetero couple is married, than the child is presumed to be his. If they are not married but the couple puts his name on the birth certificate, it is also legally his. Such presumptions can sometimes be challenged but it is pretty rare for such a challenge to be successful. Gay couple probably don't have the option to put two women on the birth certificate..."What if there were no hypothetical questions?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #209 March 27, 2013 Quote Quote Quote Quote Just wanted to mention this. I believe there was a child support suit in the news about a female "gay" couple that asked a friend to donate sperm. Got pregnant and after having the baby or babies they broke up and the mother went after the "guy" friend for child support. I think that happen in England though and it was all private without a clinic involved. How is this different than if an infertile hetero couple did the same thing using a donor sperm or egg, then broke up and later went after the donor???? It's not. Actually, with respect, it is. Going through a clinic, the donor is protected from situations like this legally. At the time the example here occurred, going through a clinic was not in any way an option for a non-hetero couple, hence no legal protection in this scenario. Apparently the laws have been updated since. EDIT: Typing on autopilot, made a glaring error in the first sentence. That presumes going thru an agency with protections of contractual arrangements, not a private, less formal arrangement. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #210 March 27, 2013 Well, Bill O'Reilly just surprised me: http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/bill-oreilly-all-the-gay-marriage-opponents-do-is-thump-the"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #211 March 27, 2013 QuoteWell, Bill O'Reilly just surprised me Whoa...Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #212 March 27, 2013 Quote Quote Well, Bill O'Reilly just surprised me Whoa... I loved Megyn's comment that if marriage is all about procreation, then people over 55 shouldn't be allowed to get married."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Southern_Man 0 #213 March 27, 2013 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Just wanted to mention this. I believe there was a child support suit in the news about a female "gay" couple that asked a friend to donate sperm. Got pregnant and after having the baby or babies they broke up and the mother went after the "guy" friend for child support. I think that happen in England though and it was all private without a clinic involved. How is this different than if an infertile hetero couple did the same thing using a donor sperm or egg, then broke up and later went after the donor???? It's not. Actually, with respect, it is. Going through a clinic, the donor is protected from situations like this legally. At the time the example here occurred, going through a clinic was not in any way an option for a non-hetero couple, hence no legal protection in this scenario. Apparently the laws have been updated since. EDIT: Typing on autopilot, made a glaring error in the first sentence. That presumes going thru an agency with protections of contractual arrangements, not a private, less formal arrangement. If you assume the hetero couple is married than the presumption of paternity applies regardless of whether a contract and agency are used or whether a less formal arrangement is present. [guys are stuck paying child support after being cuckolded all the time, and that is the epitome of a "less formal arrangment"]. None of that applies to an unmarried heterosexual couple (unless they put the guys' name of the birth certificate) and certain state rulings and laws may differ."What if there were no hypothetical questions?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #214 March 27, 2013 I suppose; but if I analyze this any deeper, I'm going to need a retainer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OHCHUTE 0 #215 March 27, 2013 Tom (male 18) marries John (male 59). They want to have a kid. Tom's mom, JUNE (a female), says: you can have my egg. A doc takes Johns sperm and impregnates June and a baby is produced. Three years later TOM and JOHN get divorced. In court 3 people show up claiming rights to the kid. No wonder the liberal lawyers are financing this new found "the country is rapidly changing" idea. AS IF THE COURTS ARE NOT CLOGGED UP ENOUGH THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A DOG A PONY SHOW LIKE NO OTHER. What is wrong with people accepting the fact that they are different and be done with it. Say a man and a women get married to have kids and the man is shooting blanks. Too bad, they live their life together out of love without raising a family. Or they can adopt. The idea sperm and eggs are passed around like playing cards to help the hand that people are dealt with is bizarre and further complicates the natural order of the universe. Next we're going to have docs grafting more left liberal gay cells to the brain to help aid the person on the fence finally make a decision who they might be, a man or a woman, and the idea that coming out, as one did just this morning on Today Show, by expressing "we're having a baby" appears to have become: GAY LIFE, the new reality TV show including mini series about how a lesbian and her lover are going to have a baby. So Now, WHAT ABOUT THE DAD? OH, DAD reduce to an anonymous sperm, half of what was the natural equation now reduced to nothingness, only a cell used for impregnation. How much air time will that sperm get? Sperm and eggs doled out like peanuts for human consumption just to satisfy a self servicing, narcissistic, egotistical community who by nature can't participate naturally in bearing children naturally? What is wrong with a little bit of restraint. It is what it is: LIVE WITH IT. We do around here. Nothing wrong with a little bit of conservatism now is there? I think the court is going to push back to allow society to deal with all the problems that will evolve out of gay marriage and having kids as if there's not enough problems now that matters will become even more complicated. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 0 #216 March 27, 2013 Quote I suppose; but if I analyze this any deeper, I'm going to need a retainer. I'll summarize- If you're into cuckholding do it before you are married and don't put your name on the birth cert. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #217 March 27, 2013 QuoteSperm and eggs doled out like peanuts for human consumption just to satisfy a self servicing, narcissistic, egotistical community who by nature can't participate naturally in bearing children naturally? Dude, here's a newsflash. Gay people can and do have sex to procreate. Real, man on woman sex. There's nothing about being gay that makes it physically impossible to have hetero sex. No vaginas are sewn closed in the making of a lesbian. Some couples chose clinical methods, some chose the turkey baster option, and some just do it the old fashioned way with a willing (or ignorant) third party. Think about that hot lesbian threesome... and the possible results. Guys may have a more difficult or at least a more complicated path, but it's entirely possible to find someone who's willing to bear a child the old fashioned way for a friend, just like some straight couples do. No clinics, doctors, or kitchen appliances required. Are you really so far out of touch that you don't understand this? It's really not far removed from the medieval cultures that married one person for heirs, bloodlines, and inheritance and maintained separate personal relationships... just kinda the other way around.Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #218 March 27, 2013 Quote Think about that hot lesbian threesome... Lady, do you mind? Tryin' to get work done here. Aw, shit. Thanks a lot. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OHCHUTE 0 #219 March 27, 2013 QuoteQuoteSperm and eggs doled out like peanuts for human consumption just to satisfy a self servicing, narcissistic, egotistical community who by nature can't participate naturally in bearing children naturally? Dude, here's a newsflash. Gay people can and do have sex to procreate. Real, man on woman sex. There's nothing about being gay that makes it physically impossible to have hetero sex. No vaginas are sewn closed in the making of a lesbian. Some couples chose clinical methods, some chose the turkey baster option, and some just do it the old fashioned way with a willing (or ignorant) third party. Think about that hot lesbian threesome... and the possible results. Guys may have a more difficult or at least a more complicated path, but it's entirely possible to find someone who's willing to bear a child the old fashioned way for a friend, just like some straight couples do. No clinics, doctors, or kitchen appliances required. Are you really so far out of touch that you don't understand this? It's really not far removed from the medieval cultures that married one person for heirs, bloodlines, and inheritance and maintained separate personal relationships... just kinda the other way around. I understand kids being born out of an orgy if that is your idea of procreation. For most, its not the case. Or the innocent guy gets a call with the bitch who said she was on birth control and her lawyer telling you, you might get visitation rights as you're going to be a father, a child born out of deceit. Use of the man's sperm without his knowledge to serve the purpose of a lesbian whom never indicated that she was a lesbian. You talk so cavalier about sperm and egg as if its just a game. How detached. You are destined for failure at the onset. "Turkey Basting" as a term to describe getting pregnant just for the mere fact to have a kid to raise pretty much demonstrates the narcissism I'm talking about about. I'm queer, I'm here and I'll do whatever the hell I want... pretty egotistically. And you're engaged in wishful thinking if you think traditional values have been supplanted by gay values. You might duck out from under your helmet and look around. You are a minority. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #220 March 27, 2013 Quote Some couples chose clinical methods, some chose the turkey baster option, and some just do it the old fashioned way with a willing (or ignorant) third party. Think about that hot lesbian threesome... and the possible results. Guys may have a more difficult or at least a more complicated path, but it's entirely possible to find someone who's willing to bear a child the old fashioned way for a friend, just like some straight couples do. No clinics, doctors, or kitchen appliances required. One of the news magazine links on Trent's page also included interviews with another free donor who gave his donations the old-fashioned way. He mentioned that clients were sometimes lesbians. Best line of the interview: "Yes, I've gone where no man has gone before!""There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #221 March 27, 2013 >Sperm and eggs doled out like peanuts for human consumption just to satisfy a self >servicing, narcissistic, egotistical community who by nature can't participate naturally >in bearing children naturally? So you oppose IVF? I know several great kids who have resulted from IVF. Want to tell their parents they are self servicing, narcissistic, egotistical people? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #222 March 27, 2013 Quote I supervised nearly 100 gay men. In all fairness, you really must tell us: in what industry & in what capacity? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OHCHUTE 0 #223 March 27, 2013 Quote>Sperm and eggs doled out like peanuts for human consumption just to satisfy a self >servicing, narcissistic, egotistical community who by nature can't participate naturally >in bearing children naturally? So you oppose IVF? I know several great kids who have resulted from IVF. Want to tell their parents they are self servicing, narcissistic, egotistical people? It's against federal law to destroy a human egg, yet OK to inject it with a foreign sperm outside a loving relationship to satisfy a human's brain's desires? Perhaps we need talk about cell life and motivation of the individual cell when the brain cells are not functioning too good. [url]http://www.fda.gov/biologicsbloodvaccines/guidancecomplianceregulatoryinformation/guidances/tissue/ucm073964.htm#ADDITIONALSCREENINGANDTESTINGREQUIREMENTSFORDONORSOFREPRODUCTIVECELLSANDTISSUES1271.751271.80AND1271.85[url] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #224 March 27, 2013 QuoteIt's against federal law to destroy a human egg, No it isn'tOwned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #225 March 27, 2013 QuoteQuoteIt's against federal law to destroy a human egg, No it isn't I meant to say money. Damm typos.Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
