Skyrad 0 #76 April 9, 2013 Quote >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTalnzcO0xk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zw-jTCNZSmY Quote I've never needed a rhyme to remember to simply clear the chamber, remove the magazine..... Pull trigger BANG! Guess they learnt firearms safety together. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,069 #77 April 9, 2013 >I didn't say just any ex military,I said good ex military people. He was "good ex military people." He was a decorated military hero who dreamed of becoming a police officer and eventually a member of a SWAT team. He was the person you would want guarding your kids. But even so he accidentally killed his wife. And this WILL happen with enough armed guards in schools - not because the people aren't good, but because history has shown that even the best in the business accidentally kill people. Is it worth it? Are a few dead kids a year - killed by well-meaning security guards - work preventing another Columbine or Sandy Hook? Maybe. But if people out there are thinking that the choice is seeing helpless kids being killed en masse vs. a security system that will never do them harm, they're not being rational. Kids will die when decorated military heroes and respected firearms instructors screw up and accidentally kill them. It happens now all the time outside of schools and it will happen in schools when you bring those people inside. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 850 #78 April 9, 2013 SKydiving. Motorcycling. Automobiles. Air travel. Bathtubs. Swimming pools. Are they worth it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,069 #79 April 9, 2013 >Are they worth it? That's a good question. To accurately answer it you have to take an honest look at both the risks and rewards of doing them. "Skydiving is perfectly safe" is a dishonest thing to tell someone, for example; it's not. It would be even more dishonest to tell someone "a small canopy will save your liIfe by letting you fly quickly away from dangerous areas" - because while that is literally true, it ignores the entire other side of the risk equation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toolbox 0 #80 April 9, 2013 So all the politicians should get rid of their armed guards before one of those guards has an accident and shoots them. All the children of politicians should get rid of the armed guards,if it could just save one of those kids from the inevitable accidental shooting by one of their own armed guards. Some might say that the risk of having armed guards for the children of politicians is outweighed by the danger posed to them because of the position of their parents,but,it seems that there are not many cases of mass acts of violence in these schools with armed guards when compared to the public schools without full time armed guards,so it seems that the poor kids without armed guards are really at greater risk than the rich kids with armed guards. Hmmmmm..... Could it be that the poor kids without armed guards at their public schools are easy targets compared to the heavily protected rich politicians kids in their private schools with armed guards? Hmmmmm...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlyinBrother 0 #81 April 9, 2013 QuoteQuote I still feel what our POTUS did yesterday was laughable. Then you're reflecting the massive cultural divide - and it's really more cultural than ideological - that exists in this country on that issue. Hi there, pookie. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,069 #82 April 9, 2013 >So all the politicians should get rid of their armed guards before one of those >guards has an accident and shoots them. No, they should make an informed decision and compare the risks to the benefits. >All the children of politicians should get rid of the armed guards No, they should make an informed decision and compare the risks to the benefits. >Could it be that the poor kids without armed guards at their public schools are easy >targets compared to the heavily protected rich politicians kids in their private schools >with armed guards? Could it be that putting lowest-bidder armed guards in elementary school will result in dead kids when they have the inevitable "oops" moments? Hmmm . . . . Well, at least the NRA will make $1 for every gun they sell to them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 850 #83 April 10, 2013 When did the NRA start selling guns? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #84 April 10, 2013 QuoteWhen did the NRA start selling guns? 1964 or thereabouts.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 850 #85 April 10, 2013 You mean like the USPA sells parachutes then. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #86 April 10, 2013 QuoteI have never disagreed that this is the problem Now tell me what what background check will find that would prevent a weapon in those individual hands. Oh wait criminals don't use that route. They tend to steal them or buy stolen ones on the street. Background check gonna fix that? Background check gonna predict someone snapping? Oh puleeze! That is just intellectual laziness on your part. This has been explained over and over. As WMW wrote, just because you can't make your house impregnable doesn't mean you shouldn't lock your doors.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 850 #87 April 10, 2013 We also have weapons. They are closer than the cops. Always. Your refusal to see the real world won't change things John. I'm never going to understand your fear of one specific item. Maybe it's something deeper in you that you should consider. Refusing to see the the way the world works sounds problematic to me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #88 April 10, 2013 Quote You mean like the USPA sells parachutes then. Nope. Check your history.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toolbox 0 #89 April 10, 2013 >Could it be that putting lowest -bidder armed guards in elementary schools........ Just because someone is a volunteer does not make them inferior. Some of the most decorated military personel in history were volunteers(Audie Murphy,Eddie Rickenbacker as examles) who served their countries not for money(like professional body guards),but rather for honor and duty. Do you think only the high priced mercenaries are capable of doing the job? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mistercwood 287 #90 April 10, 2013 Quote >Could it be that putting lowest -bidder armed guards in elementary schools........ Just because someone is a volunteer does not make them inferior. Some of the most decorated military personel in history were volunteers(Audie Murphy,Eddie Rickenbacker as examles) who served their countries not for money(like professional body guards),but rather for honor and duty. Do you think only the high priced mercenaries are capable of doing the job? http://crooksandliars.com/nicole-belle/guess-whos-part-joe-arpaios-armed-sch Looks like you may need to start arming the kids themselves, sooner rather than later. You are playing chicken with a planet - you can't dodge and planets don't blink. Act accordingly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toolbox 0 #91 April 10, 2013 What are the NRA guns? Are they semi-auto,pump,or wheel guns? I can't find any of these so called guns the NRA is selling on their website. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 850 #92 April 10, 2013 NRA Store Nope, no guns there. Tell us more lies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mistercwood 287 #93 April 10, 2013 Quote NRA Store Nope, no guns there. Tell us more lies. Let's say I have a friend who's started a wedding photography business. A colleague later mentions to me they're looking for just such a person. I talk up my mate massively, tell them how awesome and wonderful he is at photography, how happy I've seen his other clients etc etc, and they go and buy a package from him. Next time I see him he buys me a beer, and says if I get him more bookings there'll be more beer to come. I like beer. It is now in my best beer drinking interest to "sell" my friends services to prospective customers whenever I get the chance. It really isn't that hard to see what he was getting it, is it? You are playing chicken with a planet - you can't dodge and planets don't blink. Act accordingly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toolbox 0 #94 April 10, 2013 There are alot of sex offenders out there thats for sure. You find them in law enforcement,in politics,in church,in schools,in the boy scouts,in the athletics departments,the boy scouts,ect..... I bet there are even a few college professors who are sex offenders in hiding as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 850 #95 April 10, 2013 So we're back to the USPA sells parachutes I see. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mistercwood 287 #96 April 10, 2013 QuoteThere are alot of sex offenders out there thats for sure. You find them in law enforcement,in politics,in church,in schools,in the boy scouts,in the athletics departments,the boy scouts,ect..... I bet there are even a few college professors who are sex offenders in hiding as well. Agreed. My point was that while there surely is a broad range of volunteers of the calibre you mention, there's going to be a hell of a lot of people putting their hand up who aren't desirable. And some of them are already getting picked for the team anyway.You are playing chicken with a planet - you can't dodge and planets don't blink. Act accordingly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mistercwood 287 #97 April 10, 2013 QuoteSo we're back to the USPA sells parachutes I see. I don't know. Does the USPA get kickbacks from canopy manufacturers every time they sell a canopy they've promoted? (I'm genuinely curious, I have no idea if they do or not)You are playing chicken with a planet - you can't dodge and planets don't blink. Act accordingly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #98 April 10, 2013 QuoteAs WMW wrote, just because you can't make your house impregnable doesn't mean you shouldn't lock your doors. Locking your doors is a good idea. But somewhere between locking doors and making everyone wear oven mits at all times so that they can't pick the locks there is a line of misguided idocy that's been crossed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 850 #99 April 10, 2013 In much the same way the NRA receives monies from gun manufacturers, yes. (as well as other industry organizations for that matter) Neither organization sells those items though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Southern_Man 0 #100 April 10, 2013 QuoteQuoteSo we're back to the USPA sells parachutes I see. I don't know. Does the USPA get kickbacks from canopy manufacturers every time they sell a canopy they've promoted? (I'm genuinely curious, I have no idea if they do or not) They certainly get advertising monies in Parachutist."What if there were no hypothetical questions?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
