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DanG 1
QuoteHundreds or thousands? Are you sure of this? Last year someone suffered a cardiac event at the finish of the Kaiser Half Marathon on SuperBowl Sunday, the largest SF race event in the early part of the year. Due to warmer weather, a number of runners were suffering form the heat and the thin group of EMS folks were tied up. Bystanders attended to this guy who did die. It may not have been any different with the paramedics, but there was no doubt that there were not a lot of them.
And in the case of shrapnel injuries, seconds may be the difference between living and dying. That camera man should attend to any victims that may not be being attended to. If there are none, then great, shoot on, maybe collect some good video evidence.
If the cameraman is the best person to help, and no one else around is capable, sure, he should render assistance. But in the case of the explosions in Boston, there were, in fact, hundreds of other people around. All the cameramen did not need to drop their cameras and render aid. Continuing to film was the best thing they could do. Of course, if they got in the way of other people rendering aid, then that's wrong.
- Dan G
OHCHUTE 0
My son's friend was running and his family were there. They are OK. This was simply a cowardly senseless act. I hope the Boston Marathon will be twice the size next year as it was this year!
ryoder 1,590
WBC again. What a surprise.
http://www.usnews.com/news/newsgram/articles/2013/04/16/boston-bombing-funerals-will-be-picketed-westboro-baptist-church-says
"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.
wmw999 2,447
Ya know, some things just ain't fair, are they.
Wendy P.
Wendy P.
There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)
Skyrad 0
When I first went to Belfast, a young Catholic man said to me 'You can never understand the Troubles, its just pure hatred and you can understand hatred you either feel it or you don't, there is nothing to understand.
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Lucius Annaeus Seneca
QuoteI hope the Boston Marathon will be twice the size next year as it was this year!
Off topic, but not likely. The current field size is pretty much all the traffic the roads can handle.
"What if there were no hypothetical questions?"
Skyrad 0
Turns out that one man has solved who did the Boston bomb and guess what it was a false flag operation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iPoJQKPRFk
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sfzombie 3
did they finish the race? someone asked me that and i said that i would be damned if i ran all that way after getting there and not finish. if they didn't finish, then the terrorists won that one.
http://kitswv.com
quade 4
Least important question on most people's minds.
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My sister lives in Boston, and her roommate was running. They are both OK, thankfully.
For all the speculation about foreign groups, honestly, it would make total sense if it was domestic. Not sure if we have any Mass. residents here, but yesterday was Patriot's day, which is a Mass. state holiday, and many schools and businesses in the state have the day off. Basically, Patriot's day is Boston's biggest party, celebrated to commemorate the battles of Lexington and Concord (the opening battles of the Revolutionary War, for those who aren't up on their history).
The actual battles occurred on April 19, 1775, but like many other holidays, moving the commemoration day to the 3rd Monday in April was logistically easier.
Oh, another reason I lean toward this being domestic...April 19th was also the date of Waco and the OK city bombing. Patriot's day, the start of the Revolutionary War, etc, Some whack job guy or group gets in their head that causing maximum terror on Boston's BEST day would be somehow symbolic.
Just makes more sense to me than AQ or Loyalists.
My friend from Boston posted this on his Facebook just a few hours before it all happened, and it still makes me cry:
Quotetoday is my favorite day in the greater boston area when we all reflect on the hopes and dreams of common men to unite a country.. paul reveres ride... lexington and concord... today we honor the patriots who started the revolutionary war with the 117th boston marathon... 11am red sox game... and a shit load of day drinking.. good luck to all the runners and god bless america! Have a great patriots day
That happiness and joy is what this bomber took from Boston
http://www.csnne.com/article/tragedy-bostons-biggest-holiday
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devildog 0
QuoteMy sister lives in Boston, and her roommate was running. They are both OK, thankfully.
For all the speculation about foreign groups, honestly, it would make total sense if it was domestic. Not sure if we have any Mass. residents here, but yesterday was Patriot's day, which is a Mass. state holiday, and many schools and businesses in the state have the day off. Basically, Patriot's day is Boston's biggest party, celebrated to commemorate the battles of Lexington and Concord (the opening battles of the Revolutionary War, for those who aren't up on their history).
The actual battles occurred on April 19, 1775, but like many other holidays, moving the commemoration day to the 3rd Monday in April was logistically easier.
Oh, another reason I lean toward this being domestic...April 19th was also the date of Waco and the OK city bombing. Patriot's day, the start of the Revolutionary War, etc, Some whack job guy or group gets in their head that causing maximum terror on Boston's BEST day would be somehow symbolic.
Just makes more sense to me than AQ or Loyalists.
My friend from Boston posted this on his Facebook just a few hours before it all happened, and it still makes me cry:Quotetoday is my favorite day in the greater boston area when we all reflect on the hopes and dreams of common men to unite a country.. paul reveres ride... lexington and concord... today we honor the patriots who started the revolutionary war with the 117th boston marathon... 11am red sox game... and a shit load of day drinking.. good luck to all the runners and god bless america! Have a great patriots day
That happiness and joy is what this bomber took from Boston
http://www.csnne.com/article/tragedy-bostons-biggest-holiday
Domestic nuts usually aim for something Government, like a Federal building, official, etc. something that represents what they are fighting against. They certainly don't want the entire population against them. Foreign terrorists, otoh, who hate a particular country as a whole, find ample and easy targets with civilians.
You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions.
DanG 1
QuoteDomestic nuts usually aim for something Government, like a Federal building, official, etc. something that represents what they are fighting against. They certainly don't want the entire population against them. Foreign terrorists, otoh, who hate a particular country as a whole, find ample and easy targets with civilians.
Typically, perhaps, but not always. See Altanta Olympic bombing.
- Dan G
OHCHUTE 0
QuoteQuoteI hope the Boston Marathon will be twice the size next year as it was this year!
Off topic, but not likely. The current field size is pretty much all the traffic the roads can handle.
Why off topic? We are discussing explosions at the Boston Marathon. I'm planning on taking my whole family next year and I'm going to convince as many of our friends to go as well to show support that these idiots will not ruin our country. There is always the train to Boston! No roads necessary.
mistercwood 287
I believe he thought you meant having twice the number of runners, not spectators...
You are playing chicken with a planet - you can't dodge and planets don't blink. Act accordingly.
QuoteI believe he thought you meant having twice the number of runners, not spectators...
yes
"What if there were no hypothetical questions?"
toolbox 0
>....prevent further attacks.
I wish they could,but I doubt if anything will stop these types of attacks from recurring.
Israel for instance has far better security and are far more aggressive in their methods of gathering intelligence they can use to stop these types of violence,yet they still have these problems.
How do you stop someone from making these types of homemade explosives devices?
They can cook up these explosives in their garages,bathrooms,kitchens,motel rooms, or in a travel trailer.
Now add in the suicide factor and you have a hard if not impossible to stop human weapon bent upon killing people and spreading terror.
There are people and groups who are waging,and have been waging war upon the US for a long time.
People want to feel safe and have a tendency to seek out a false sense of security where there is none.
I'm surprised we have not had more of these types of attacks here in the US in recent years,since they occur everywhere else around the world.
I'm actually surprised some suicide martyr has not driven a 10,000 pound bomb into a hospital or school,or tried to pull off another Oklahoma city type incident.
There are alot of people with a fucked up moral compass in the world,and I'm sure more are born everyday.
I wish they could,but I doubt if anything will stop these types of attacks from recurring.
Israel for instance has far better security and are far more aggressive in their methods of gathering intelligence they can use to stop these types of violence,yet they still have these problems.
How do you stop someone from making these types of homemade explosives devices?
They can cook up these explosives in their garages,bathrooms,kitchens,motel rooms, or in a travel trailer.
Now add in the suicide factor and you have a hard if not impossible to stop human weapon bent upon killing people and spreading terror.
There are people and groups who are waging,and have been waging war upon the US for a long time.
People want to feel safe and have a tendency to seek out a false sense of security where there is none.
I'm surprised we have not had more of these types of attacks here in the US in recent years,since they occur everywhere else around the world.
I'm actually surprised some suicide martyr has not driven a 10,000 pound bomb into a hospital or school,or tried to pull off another Oklahoma city type incident.
There are alot of people with a fucked up moral compass in the world,and I'm sure more are born everyday.
sfzombie 3
it's actually the most important. terrorists try to disrupt our lives, if they do this, they win. that's why it's called terrorism.
http://kitswv.com
Quotedid they finish the race? someone asked me that and i said that i would be damned if i ran all that way after getting there and not finish. if they didn't finish, then the terrorists won that one.
My understanding is that they first re-routed a few runners than quickly abandoned the race.
"What if there were no hypothetical questions?"
LyraM45 0
QuoteNext we will see and listen to the ass hats who want to understand why. And then blame the US as we have it coming
(and of course we have now had a CNN idiot say it may be a right wing group) Gotta get those political bunchs in first
News flash!
Good people will NEVER understand evil
This is an act of evil
Just like the school shooting
Good people will never understand it
Period
http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/16/us/boston-marathon-lone-wolf/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
And here is an article with a follow up to that. I thought the way they said it on live TV the other day was a little soon, and it did come off wrong. But, evidence is evidence-- and it's all going to come out. All that they're saying is that this has signatures of what right wing extremists have used in the past for their bombs. Doesn't mean just any republican, or some conservative running for office, or your neighbor who is a hardcore republican. It is just one of those crazy nut jobs, probably a lone wolf, from the fringes. Left wing has them too-- like weather underground, anti-capitolists, etc. This event happens to have signatures of right wing extremist groups-- should we deny that? Should it not be reported?
Apologies for the spelling (and grammar).... I got a B.S, not a B.A. :)
rushmc 23
Really?
You are serious?
There are experts who are saying that the bomb type is al quada group uses
So who is correct?
I guess the one that gets out there first is all that counts
You are serious?
There are experts who are saying that the bomb type is al quada group uses
So who is correct?
I guess the one that gets out there first is all that counts
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
billvon 2,994
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>I guess the one that gets out there first is all that counts
The first one was the rumor that a Saudi national was in custody. Reminds me of this incident:
"brahim Ahmad, a Jordanian-American traveling from his home in Oklahoma City to visit family in Jordan on April 19, 1995, was arrested in what was described as an "initial dragnet." There was concern that Middle Eastern terrorists could have been behind the [Oklahoma City] attack. Further investigation cleared Ahmad of any involvement in the bombing."
The first one was the rumor that a Saudi national was in custody. Reminds me of this incident:
"brahim Ahmad, a Jordanian-American traveling from his home in Oklahoma City to visit family in Jordan on April 19, 1995, was arrested in what was described as an "initial dragnet." There was concern that Middle Eastern terrorists could have been behind the [Oklahoma City] attack. Further investigation cleared Ahmad of any involvement in the bombing."
rushmc 23
Quote>I guess the one that gets out there first is all that counts
The first one was the rumor that a Saudi national was in custody. Reminds me of this incident:
"brahim Ahmad, a Jordanian-American traveling from his home in Oklahoma City to visit family in Jordan on April 19, 1995, was arrested in what was described as an "initial dragnet." There was concern that Middle Eastern terrorists could have been behind the [Oklahoma City] attack. Further investigation cleared Ahmad of any involvement in the bombing."
So you support rumors?
I sure dont
Seems that CNN and Barney Frank needed to get the first shots at making this political
Of course, all the regular characters will get in on it too
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
billvon 2,994
>So you support rumors?
Nope. Just pointing out that the first rumor that the media popped out was the "Saudi national" thing. Like the example from the Oklahoma City bombing, such rumors are generally wrong.
>Seems that CNN and Barney Frank needed to get the first shots at making this political
Actually that would be the Post. CNN was later to the party.
Nope. Just pointing out that the first rumor that the media popped out was the "Saudi national" thing. Like the example from the Oklahoma City bombing, such rumors are generally wrong.
>Seems that CNN and Barney Frank needed to get the first shots at making this political
Actually that would be the Post. CNN was later to the party.
Hundreds or thousands? Are you sure of this? Last year someone suffered a cardiac event at the finish of the Kaiser Half Marathon on SuperBowl Sunday, the largest SF race event in the early part of the year. Due to warmer weather, a number of runners were suffering form the heat and the thin group of EMS folks were tied up. Bystanders attended to this guy who did die. It may not have been any different with the paramedics, but there was no doubt that there were not a lot of them.
And in the case of shrapnel injuries, seconds may be the difference between living and dying. That camera man should attend to any victims that may not be being attended to. If there are none, then great, shoot on, maybe collect some good video evidence.
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