Forcible Rape vs. Date Rape

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spelling error? oh that makes it libertarian

No matter how slowly you say oranges it never sounds like gullible.
Believe me I tried.

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promise5

spelling error? oh that makes it libertarian

I wouldn't be so sure.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Wdqbi66oNuI

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Do I win?

You are playing chicken with a planet - you can't dodge and planets don't blink. Act accordingly.

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I think we got WAY off topic!!!

No matter how slowly you say oranges it never sounds like gullible.
Believe me I tried.

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ryoder

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For example, watch what happen if I say the following:

"Potato Salad."

Is there meat in the recipe?
If not, that makes it vegetarian, and we all know those vegetarian tree-hugging hippies are all liberal Democrats.

Don't forget that potato salad has lots of fat and cholesterol in it. It's unhealthy.

Mayor Bloomberg will soon be proposing that only low-fat potato salad be available.

Or that real potato salad be sold in containers no bigger than a single, small serving.

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"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

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jclalor

***So, presumption of innocence doesn't apply in some cases. I didn't know that.

I never said that the accused is not considered innocent until proven guilty. What I did say, was how pathetic it is to tell a victim of a horrendous rape that she is not a victim unless there is a conviction.

Would you tell the person who was shot that he is only the accuser until there is a conviction?

And the GOP can't figure out why they do so poorly with women voters. What we can't figure out is why you liberals continue to "love" this man. http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?noframes;read=164165 Of course b clinton's rape victims were all alleged; right?

Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts.

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popsjumper

So, presumption of innocence doesn't apply in some cases. I didn't know that.

A rapist can be found not guilty for any host of reasons, none of which have any bearing his victim's injuries. If a rapist walks due to poor QA/QC on a DNA samples, does that mean his victim wasn't raped? No, it just means he wasn't convicted. There's a reason that juries find defendents "not guilty" as opposed to "innocent."

Blues,
Dave

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(drink Mountain Dew)

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livendive

***So, presumption of innocence doesn't apply in some cases. I didn't know that.

A rapist can be found not guilty for any host of reasons, none of which have any bearing his victim's injuries. If a rapist walks due to poor QA/QC on a DNA samples, does that mean his victim wasn't raped? No, it just means he wasn't convicted. There's a reason that juries find defendents "not guilty" as opposed to "innocent."


and yet, the end result is supposed to be that the defendant is presumed innocent at this point. Which of course is bullshit - once accused of rape or child molestation, one can never be cleared in the public eye. Even with an acquittal, they will need to seek a new life elsewhere.

The fact that some may in fact be guilty isn't enough to presume all of them are.

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kelpdiver

******So, presumption of innocence doesn't apply in some cases. I didn't know that.

A rapist can be found not guilty for any host of reasons, none of which have any bearing his victim's injuries. If a rapist walks due to poor QA/QC on a DNA samples, does that mean his victim wasn't raped? No, it just means he wasn't convicted. There's a reason that juries find defendents "not guilty" as opposed to "innocent."


and yet, the end result is supposed to be that the defendant is presumed innocent at this point. Which of course is bullshit - once accused of rape or child molestation, one can never be cleared in the public eye. Even with an acquittal, they will need to seek a new life elsewhere.

The fact that some may in fact be guilty isn't enough to presume all of them are.

And therein lies the rub. An accusation alone carries a stigma that, as you rightly point out, may well follow you for life. We have a legitimate fear of destroying a life with a false accusation, but I find it sad that because of this our system as it stands is weighted (for this crime) to avoid an accusation in the first place, rather than to trust the justice system to work. We seem to believe that the odds of a false accusation are so high, when the data say it's very low. It's a messy, awful situation.

You are playing chicken with a planet - you can't dodge and planets don't blink. Act accordingly.