tkhayes 348 #1 May 12, 2013 http://news.yahoo.com/police-17-wounded-orleans-parade-shooting-221419212.html Good thing all those armed citizens were here to protect everyone. LA just passed some of the strongest gun rights laws in the country. What possibly could have gone wrong? http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/03/30/louisiana-amendment-gun-rights/2035561/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
catfishhunter 2 #2 May 12, 2013 How about all those armed cops did nothing to protect the people...probably best if you actually read a story before spewing nonsense... MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 348 #3 May 12, 2013 exactly my point, more guns does nothing to help the situation, thanks for making my point. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
catfishhunter 2 #4 May 12, 2013 tkhayesexactly my point, more guns does nothing to help the situation, thanks for making my point. no just the opposite..the cops cannot or will not protect you so you better protect yourself is what the conclusion of this story is...no where in that story does it say anything about anyone with a CWP not helping or making it worse..so your attempt at using this story to promote your liberal agenda is sad at best... MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #5 May 12, 2013 Well, hopefully they catch the person (people?) who did this and hopefully everyone who was injured recovers well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 348 #6 May 12, 2013 where does it say in the story than anyone with a CWP actually helped? Louisiana has loose carry laws. You are going to make a factual statement that NO ONE there had a gun? You claim that the people having guns will help the situation. I am making the claim that there were most likely people there with guns and that did not help the situation. case closed. More guns do not actually help you 'not' get shot. proven once again in this case. Even the cops could not prevent it, and they have plenty of guns with lots of training. So you assert then that relatively untrained citizens carrying guns would actually do a better job? This is the logic that will cause the gun-nuts to lose everything that they have someday. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #7 May 12, 2013 The people probably couldn't afford a gun and ammunition because left wingers like you cause the prices to go up with your constant challenges to the gun manufacturers. The government should be required to provide guns to those who can't afford them. We could call such a program Obama-phones Guns. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 348 #8 May 12, 2013 http://www.armslist.com/classifieds/new-orleans-louisiana/handguns plenty of decent handguns for under $400 - whoosh! good things you folks use logic all the time, no wonder you're winning the debate Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #9 May 12, 2013 catfishhunter***exactly my point, more guns does nothing to help the situation, thanks for making my point. no just the opposite..the cops cannot or will not protect you so you better protect yourself is what the conclusion of this story is...no where in that story does it say anything about anyone with a CWP not helping or making it worse..so your attempt at using this story to promote your liberal agenda is sad at best... You have a remarkable imagination, but no talent for spin.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
catfishhunter 2 #10 May 13, 2013 tkhayeswhere does it say in the story than anyone with a CWP actually helped? Louisiana has loose carry laws. You are going to make a factual statement that NO ONE there had a gun? You claim that the people having guns will help the situation. I am making the claim that there were most likely people there with guns and that did not help the situation. case closed. More guns do not actually help you 'not' get shot. proven once again in this case. Even the cops could not prevent it, and they have plenty of guns with lots of training. So you assert then that relatively untrained citizens carrying guns would actually do a better job? This is the logic that will cause the gun-nuts to lose everything that they have someday. no..only statement I made was your using a story to promote your liberal agenda and using a false premise..nothing about that story has anything to do with the second amendment..so your attempts to turn it into a gun debate is sad...as for wether or not someone having a gun and being near the shooter(s) could have sopped/made it worse is moot since as far as anyone knows there wasn't anyone with a CWP and or with a weapon near the shooter. But we can absolutely be certain if there was someone trained (including the cops) with a weapon close enough to end the situation then it would be a different story we would be reading. MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #11 May 13, 2013 Congratulations on knowing fuckall about the situation. This was a whole bunch of neighborhood folks doing their thing down the street. In the 7th ward. In one of the worst areas of Nola. I'm sure they know damn well what group is responsible. They might even know who the shooters were. Not great chances that info will be shared with authorities. Afterall, "snitches get stiches" in that area.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
catfishhunter 2 #12 May 13, 2013 kallend ******exactly my point, more guns does nothing to help the situation, thanks for making my point. no just the opposite..the cops cannot or will not protect you so you better protect yourself is what the conclusion of this story is...no where in that story does it say anything about anyone with a CWP not helping or making it worse..so your attempt at using this story to promote your liberal agenda is sad at best... You have a remarkable imagination, but no talent for spin. your right I don't have a talent for lying...that's. liberal trait . MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #13 May 13, 2013 I know that in the elitist world most liberals live in that $400 is not a lot of money, but to someone poor, it quite a bit. Heck, some of them are so poor that they can't even get to the DMV to get an I.D. card so they can vote, I've been told. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 348 #14 May 13, 2013 yep, i know fuck all about the situation. i mean all I know is that people shot people with guns. other people with guns there did nothing to prevent or even stop it. and i know that 'some' people think that 'more' people with 'more guns' would prevent this from happening. yep, I know nothing.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #15 May 13, 2013 catfishhunter *********exactly my point, more guns does nothing to help the situation, thanks for making my point. no just the opposite..the cops cannot or will not protect you so you better protect yourself is what the conclusion of this story is...no where in that story does it say anything about anyone with a CWP not helping or making it worse..so your attempt at using this story to promote your liberal agenda is sad at best... You have a remarkable imagination, but no talent for spin. your right I don't have a talent for lying...that's. liberal trait .Right, your spin in this thread is silly to the point of absurdity. You need to take lessons from rushmc.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 803 #16 May 13, 2013 This. With illegally obtained guns by convicted criminals to some degree is all but guaranteed. Meaning no amount of laws nor further gun control will stop them. I'll stay armed then as it is the better choice by far. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #17 May 13, 2013 tkhayesyep, i know fuck all about the situation. i mean all I know is that people shot people with guns. other people with guns there did nothing to prevent or even stop it. and i know that 'some' people think that 'more' people with 'more guns' would prevent this from happening. yep, I know nothing.... Yep, you don't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 348 #18 May 13, 2013 except for the first three facts that I posted, yes, I know nothing - but it is a free country, and you are free to ignore the facts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #19 May 13, 2013 tkhayesexcept for the first three facts that I posted, yes, I know nothing - but it is a free country, and you are free to ignore the facts What facts? Do you know where the Police were in relation to the shooters? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #20 May 13, 2013 tkhayes***Congratulations on knowing fuckall about the situation. This was a whole bunch of neighborhood folks doing their thing down the street. In the 7th ward. In one of the worst areas of Nola. I'm sure they know damn well what group is responsible. They might even know who the shooters were. Not great chances that info will be shared with authorities. Afterall, "snitches get stiches" in that area. yep, i know fuck all about the situation. i mean all I know is that people shot people with guns. other people with guns there did nothing to prevent or even stop it. and i know that 'some' people think that 'more' people with 'more guns' would prevent this from happening. yep, I know nothing.... (1) People shot other people with guns. True. (2) Other people with guns there did nothing to prevent or even stop it. Also true. They didn't make things worse, either. So what would you propose? Take guns away from the police, since they didn't help? (3) I know that 'some' people think that 'more' people with 'more guns' would prevent this from happening. Sort of true. I'm sure some people do think that. Most probably think it is POSSIBLE that a person with a gun and good intentions may have made a difference. Banning guns sure doesn't prevent these atrocities. What you don't know is what you actually want to do to accomplish your goal.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 348 #21 May 13, 2013 QuoteWhat you don't know is what you actually want to do to accomplish your goal. I know what I would do and you know what you would do...... but the tragedy is that the people that matter will likely do nothing, and therefore nothing will change. So I guess you are OK with the status quo. most are not Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 803 #22 May 13, 2013 Incorrect I believe. Were the "most are not" true, I wouldn't be able to buy an AR-lower, nor a 30 round magazine. Thankfully, we still can. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nigel 0 #23 May 13, 2013 tkhayesexactly my point, more guns does nothing to help the situation, thanks for making my point. + 1 (and as a responsible gun-owner I support tighter regulation around the acquisition of fire-arms. And emphatically not an NRA member...) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #24 May 13, 2013 That's nice. They'll protect your rights even if you won't.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #25 May 13, 2013 tkhayesQuoteWhat you don't know is what you actually want to do to accomplish your goal. I know what I would do and you know what you would do...... but the tragedy is that the people that matter will likely do nothing, and therefore nothing will change. So I guess you are OK with the status quo. most are not Ok, let's say you're king for a day and given power to accomplish any gun related feat and enact any gun related law you choose. What would you do?witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
