rhaig 0 #26 May 13, 2013 blah blah blah.... same old song & dance.... blah blah blah.... ignoring national trends blah blah blah... spewing the same old fear mongering that the media has been using for the past several years. In the climate debate this would be considered "weather" by our local self proclaimed experts and discounted as such. While meantime the national numbers for shootings are down (the climate). so yes... I'll be ignoring you. Because you are looking at the small picture and repeating the lies that you hear. parrot. That's what you most closely resemble right now. A parrot.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #27 May 13, 2013 Kennedy *** Quote What you don't know is what you actually want to do to accomplish your goal. I know what I would do and you know what you would do...... but the tragedy is that the people that matter will likely do nothing, and therefore nothing will change. So I guess you are OK with the status quo. most are not Ok, let's say you're king for a day and given power to accomplish any gun related feat and enact any gun related law you choose. What would you do? Isn't the solution, obvious? Let's go after law abiding citizens and take their guns. Then we can ask the criminals nicely, to turn in their weapons. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grimmie 186 #28 May 13, 2013 Farenheit 451, but illegal guns, not books get your house burned down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toolbox 0 #29 May 13, 2013 From the reports,it sounds like ongoing neighborhood street violence by local thugs, aka gang bangers,aka unlawful citizen gunowners,aka Obama supporters,aka entitled liberal poster children. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #30 May 13, 2013 toolbox From the reports,it sounds like ongoing neighborhood street violence by local thugs, aka gang bangers,aka unlawful citizen gunowners,aka Obama supporters,aka entitled liberal poster children. Yep, nothing but the neighborhood trash. "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
regulator 0 #31 May 13, 2013 tkhayes http://news.yahoo.com/police-17-wounded-orleans-parade-shooting-221419212.html Good thing all those armed citizens were here to protect everyone. LA just passed some of the strongest gun rights laws in the country. What possibly could have gone wrong? http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/03/30/louisiana-amendment-gun-rights/2035561/ ------------------------------------------------------- You must not know squat about new orleans. 19 people were shot and NOBDODY got killed. Wanna know why? Dumbasss thugs that spray bullets randomly. If this were a skilled operator there would be 19 dead people. This story is so stupid its laughable. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #32 May 13, 2013 The only point that matters to me is this. If I was there with my family I would be able to save them or die trying with a gun if some crazy fuck (there will always be crazy fucks) tried to harm them. That’s my right! god given, natural whatever you want to call it. I have the right to protect my life by any means necessary for anyone to think they have the right to tell me no is a joke. If you have life you have the right to protect it, the predators that might attack me don’t use fangs, they use guns. Period case closed.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toolbox 0 #33 May 13, 2013 Right,three or more shooters and no one killed. Classic spray and pray gang banger tactics for sure. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #34 May 13, 2013 regulator*** http://news.yahoo.com/police-17-wounded-orleans-parade-shooting-221419212.html Good thing all those armed citizens were here to protect everyone. LA just passed some of the strongest gun rights laws in the country. What possibly could have gone wrong? http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/03/30/louisiana-amendment-gun-rights/2035561/ ------------------------------------------------------- You must not know squat about new orleans. 19 people were shot and NOBDODY got killed. Wanna know why? Dumbasss thugs that spray bullets randomly. If this were a skilled operator there would be 19 dead people. This story is so stupid its laughable. Well, I don't know that the story is stupid or laughable... it's a story... a bunch of people got injured. But when everyone just reacts by yelling past one another, "more good guys with guns? yerp herp derp...", "oh, you think more laws are gonna help? yerp herp derp...", "oh, so you like seeing people get shot? yerp herp derp..." that's the stupid and I-wish-it-were-more-laughable part. The aim of most people's arguments are worse than the perpetrators in this shooting. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
regulator 0 #35 May 13, 2013 Thugs must not have the Discovery Channel to watch that mythbusters episode where they show definitively that the gangbanger side pistol method removes the sight picture and creates for very inaccurate shots. Reminds me of that show Intervention. Where a TV crew follows around a junkee showing them getting jacked up and at the end of the week there's always a special 'interview' where the intervention goes down...which inevitably leads me to ponder this question...DONT THOSE DUMBASSES EVER WATCH A&E? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #36 May 13, 2013 tkhayes good things you folks use logic all the time, no wonder you're winning the debate While there's a complete dearth of logic on both sides of this debate (including your assertion that this incident proves guns can't protect people), I'd say the folks in favor of retaining their rights generally win these debates with those who would prefer a nanny state. Well, except in idiotic cities like Chicago, Baltimore, and DC, where the government somehow convinced people they should go defenseless despite top end violent crime rates. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
regulator 0 #37 May 13, 2013 This story is the epitome of what is not being reported in the meda. Most likely gangbangers spraying and praying and its all over the news. Yet not one legislator has come up with a solution to deal with the violent criminal gangs. Not one law about anything to do with criminals. I'm not going to go over the background checks argument because its blatantly obvious what the answer is. But as soon as a shooting is report its front page center, but somehow people like Kermit Gosnell always slip in media coverage. Guess he doesn't fit in the media's agenda. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #38 May 13, 2013 Gravitymaster ****** Quote What you don't know is what you actually want to do to accomplish your goal. I know what I would do and you know what you would do...... but the tragedy is that the people that matter will likely do nothing, and therefore nothing will change. So I guess you are OK with the status quo. most are not Ok, let's say you're king for a day and given power to accomplish any gun related feat and enact any gun related law you choose. What would you do? Isn't the solution, obvious? Let's go after law abiding citizens and take their guns. Then we can ask the criminals nicely, to turn in their weapons. I understand liberals are pushing for more welfare dollars for an entitlement program similar to WIC. Lots of welfare folks can't afford guns. Good thing it wasn't Father's Day...there would have been even more confusion.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ManagingPrime 0 #40 May 13, 2013 tkhayesyep, i know fuck all about the situation. i mean all I know is that people shot people with guns. other people with guns there did nothing to prevent or even stop it. What people do you know about with guns that did nothing to prevent or stop the shooting? The police? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 803 #41 May 13, 2013 I was wondering the same thing. What's the point of this constant police presence in every part of life if they aren't going to do a damn thing when violence breaks out? It should also be illegal to be a gun toting gang banger. While not stepping on legal gang bangers rights of course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ManagingPrime 0 #42 May 14, 2013 normiss I was wondering the same thing. What's the point of this constant police presence in every part of life if they aren't going to do a damn thing when violence breaks out? It should also be illegal to be a gun toting gang banger. While not stepping on legal gang bangers rights of course. I'm just thinking that it's probably reasonable to assume that there individuals at the event who had firearms besides the police and the shooters. But given the nature of the event (drinking) and the location (high concentration of prohibited individuals), it would have been real improbable that a legal ccw holder would have been in the position to do anything and an illegal holder would be fuuuucccked if they did. Kind of makes the original argument come off as ill conceived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nigel 0 #44 May 14, 2013 KennedyThat's nice. They'll protect your rights even if you won't. If you mean the NRA, I really, really neither need nor want their 'protection' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #45 May 14, 2013 Nigel******+ 1 (and as a responsible gun-owner I support tighter regulation around the acquisition of fire-arms. And emphatically not an NRA member...) That's nice. They'll protect your rights even if you won't. If you mean the NRA, I really, really neither need nor want their 'protection' I don't know if you're in California, Texas, South Carolina, or other. We'll settle on you being in the USA. If you own a handgun, thank the NRA. If you own any AR variant, thank the NRA. If you own a semiauto shotgun, thank the NRA. If you own a rifle in any caliber large than .247, thank the NRA. I could go on, but I think you get the point. If you don't own any of those, what the heck do you shoot?witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #46 May 14, 2013 ManagingPrime***yep, i know fuck all about the situation. i mean all I know is that people shot people with guns. other people with guns there did nothing to prevent or even stop it. What people do you know about with guns that did nothing to prevent or stop the shooting? The police? Are you telling us that in a state with some of the most lax gun laws that no-one beside the police has a gun? Those same lax gun laws that are claimed to deter criminals?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #47 May 14, 2013 kallend******yep, i know fuck all about the situation. i mean all I know is that people shot people with guns. other people with guns there did nothing to prevent or even stop it. What people do you know about with guns that did nothing to prevent or stop the shooting? The police? Are you telling us that in a state with some of the most lax gun laws that no-one beside the police has a gun? Those same lax gun laws that are claimed to deter criminals? Can you imagine how bad the crime rate would be if people were not allowed to carry weapons? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #48 May 14, 2013 New Orleans police identify suspect in Mother's Day parade shooting Shooting video released by NOPD This wasn't an extended murder spree where there is a chance for someone to shoot back. This was two or three scumbags "pullin dey gats an poppin sum caps, yo." They drew, fired wildly, and ran. There is a reason injuries are as minor as we've seen. Incidents like Libby's Diner, the Colorado theater, Newton CT, VATech, and others are a very different story. Also, take into account that this was 7th Ward, NOLA. It is one of the lowest Socioeconomic and highest crime areas in the city. And the city is the most liberal part of the state. Add all that together and there is likely to be far fewer folks carrying. Also, I don't know Louisiana law and haven't looked for it yet, but in many states carrying, even with a CCW permit, is illegal at parades and other mass events, just like schools, banks, and certain other locations.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #49 May 14, 2013 tkhayes http://news.yahoo.com/police-17-wounded-orleans-parade-shooting-221419212.html Good thing all those armed citizens were here to protect everyone. LA just passed some of the strongest gun rights laws in the country. What possibly could have gone wrong? http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/03/30/louisiana-amendment-gun-rights/2035561/ Well lookie here. All the law abiding concealed carry permitted people were not carrying or not there, BECAUSE THE LAW SAYS SO! The only people allowed to be armed at the parade were the police. Quote §1379.3. Statewide permits for concealed handguns; application procedures; definitions N. No concealed handgun may be carried into and no concealed handgun permit issued pursuant to this Section shall authorize or entitle a permittee to carry a concealed handgun in any of the following: (9) A parade or demonstration for which a permit is issued by a governmental entity. Don't you feel like a fucking idiot now?witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toolbox 0 #50 May 14, 2013 It's just like the liberals to blame law abiding citizens for not breaking the law to stop someone from breaking the law Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
