Darius11 12 #26 May 14, 2013 I think if you try to explain something important and your child refuses to listen or behave and acts as if there is nothing you can do, you can remind them that the world does not spin around them and there are consequences ones that hurt for being an ass hole. I don’t think you fuck your kid up just because he forgot to clean his room. So I can’t give you particular lesson that needs a beating it depends on how the child reacts. If he gets it great but I have seen kids tell their Newage parents to go fuck themselves and run the house. They need an ass whooping to bring them back to reality. QuoteIt seems to me that non-violent means should be exercised whenever possible Yes i agree whenever POSSIBLE, but if you get no results i do think some times you need to make a point.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #27 May 14, 2013 Seriously you fuckers am I the only one on this. None of you ever got an ass whooping that you deserved and in retrospect think did you some good? Really wow I wished I lived in Disney worldI'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,490 #28 May 14, 2013 QuoteIf he gets it great but I have seen kids tell their Newage parents to go fuck themselves and run the house. Right, that must be because they aren't being hit. It couldn't possibly be due to a lack of other parenting skills.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #29 May 14, 2013 Darius11Yes i agree whenever POSSIBLE, but if you get no results i do think some times you need to make a point. "Honey, look what you made me do. Is that what you wanted? I feel really bad about beating you, but YOU MADE ME DO IT." Sorry pal. Not buying it. It's the excuse made by wife beaters too. It's bullshit.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #30 May 14, 2013 quade***Yes i agree whenever POSSIBLE, but if you get no results i do think some times you need to make a point. "Honey, look what you made me do. Is that what you wanted? I feel really bad about beating you, but YOU MADE ME DO IT." Sorry pal. Not buying it. It's the excuse made by wife beaters too. It's bullshit. The best one is: "this is going to hurt me more than you".Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #31 May 14, 2013 >None of you ever got an ass whooping that you deserved and in retrospect think >did you some good? Got one when I threw my sister in the fireplace. I don't remember it so I don't know if it did me any good. I probably deserved it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldwomanc6 52 #32 May 14, 2013 billvon >None of you ever got an ass whooping that you deserved and in retrospect think >did you some good? Got one when I threw my sister in the fireplace. I don't remember it so I don't know if it did me any good. I probably deserved it. Well, if you never did it again, I would say it was effective. lisa WSCR 594 FB 1023 CBDB 9 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #33 May 14, 2013 oldwomanc6 ***>None of you ever got an ass whooping that you deserved and in retrospect think >did you some good? Got one when I threw my sister in the fireplace. I don't remember it so I don't know if it did me any good. I probably deserved it. Well, if you never did it again, I would say it was effective. Of course that's not to say it was the only potential remedy. He might have also never done it again if his parents never found out about it, or had responded non-violently. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
base283 0 #34 May 14, 2013 How do I not get angry about it? I am not angry with you. Its just that the lack of knowledge amazes me. Let me guess. Your parents did the same. if Corporal Punishment works, then why did it screw me up so bad? QuoteMaybe i am lucky i tend to be able to deal with a lot of shit Or maybe you were unlucky that you had to deal with a lot of s**t. Quote I know pleanty of people who are better people for it. How could you know that? You could see their life without the Corporal Punishment also and compare? Are you God? God is exactly the role one plays when dishing out punishment. Where does one draw the line with punishment? Well, in my experience, They are playing the god role. so there is no line. it goes from a slap to I will beat you until you conform. Can you see the dilemma here? Take care, space Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #35 May 15, 2013 >Well, if you never did it again, I would say it was effective. Maybe. Hard to say since I don't remember it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #36 May 15, 2013 billvon >None of you ever got an ass whooping that you deserved and in retrospect think >did you some good? Got one when I threw my sister in the fireplace. I don't remember it so I don't know if it did me any good. I probably deserved it. Silly kid; Sisters contain far too much moisture to build a good fire."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
base283 0 #37 May 15, 2013 Darius11Seriously you fuckers am I the only one on this. None of you ever got an ass whooping that you deserved and in retrospect think did you some good? Really wow I wished I lived in Disney world Darius11, There is a whole lot of knowledge available to anyone who wishes to learn. There are a lot better motivational things one can do without resorting to CP. Less side effects also. Pardon me but your knowledge about CP seems to me to be quite primitive though I cant vouch for my accuracy on this. It can be as simple as: Wow, if I present it this way to the child he gets it immediately where as with CP it would take about ten ass-whuppins. Take care, space Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rstanley0312 1 #38 May 15, 2013 base283***Seriously you fuckers am I the only one on this. None of you ever got an ass whooping that you deserved and in retrospect think did you some good? Really wow I wished I lived in Disney world Darius11, There is a whole lot of knowledge available to anyone who wishes to learn. There are a lot better motivational things one can do without resorting to CP. Less side effects also. Pardon me but your knowledge about CP seems to me to be quite primitive though I cant vouch for my accuracy on this. It can be as simple as: Wow, if I present it this way to the child he gets it immediately where as with CP it would take about ten ass-whuppins. Take care, space Although I think CP should RARELY be used.... I cannot stress that enough.... I do believe at times it is very effective and can be used properly. Saying that it cannot be is just as narrow minded as saying all kids need a spanking. I think every kid is different. One size does not fit all. Some respond well to CP others do not at all. I personally think that had I not received some spankings growing up my life may have gone another way. One of my three sisters on the other hand was a very different story and my parents did a great job of using effective tools on her that would have never worked with me... they were tried and did nothing. I also do not believe a spanking needs to inflict a lot of pain. A little smack can go a long way. The child should not be spanked hard or several times imho. Also, I think it is key to never use CP when angry and once a spanking has happened there should be a discussion afterwards about the reson CP was used and getting the child to admit and acknowledge what he/she did. I think anyone needs to be careful about saying something is completely wrong. If you were abused and beaten it is easy to say all CP is wrong and it does not help and the flip side of that is true as well. Just my .02.Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #39 May 15, 2013 No not trying disrespect what you went through at all man. I didn’t go through what you or Dave did. When I got my ass beat I never felt there was anything sadistic about it. I just think a blank statement that all physical punishment is detrimental is incorrect. From the reaction it’s obvious I am in the minority on this. I guess I was smart not to have kids. QuoteHow could you know that? Just what i have heard some people say. “my mom whooped my ass when I did blah blah blah I bet that ass whopping kept me out of jail” I have heard that a lot of times.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
base283 0 #40 May 15, 2013 Darius11 I just think a blank statement that all physical punishment is detrimental is incorrect. From the reaction it’s obvious I am in the minority on this. who made a blank statement? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #41 May 15, 2013 Darius11 I just think a blank statement that all physical punishment is detrimental is incorrect. From the reaction it’s obvious I am in the minority on this. On that statement, you are not in the minority on this by any means - but no one is going to support you when you use the phrases "ass whooping" and "beating" so glibly when talking about something entirely on a different level that just supports the strawmen they use when they try equate a simple spanking with true abuse as long as the discussion has people calling a swat on a hand or a single spank on the butt to be the same as breaking arms and concussions, there really is no discussion to be had as long as the 'tough guys' here continue state they "got beatings" when they really got a stern talking to and two spanks, there really is no discussion to be had as long as the kids that truly got abused try to rationalize their parents behavior as simple corporal punishment, there really is no discussion to be had the question is really about what crosses the line and what doesn't - the real starting point is to ask yourself "when I punish my child for something. Am I angry, or am I in control and rational?" ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rstanley0312 1 #42 May 15, 2013 rehmwa*** I just think a blank statement that all physical punishment is detrimental is incorrect. From the reaction it’s obvious I am in the minority on this. On that statement, you are not in the minority on this by any means - but no one is going to support you when you use the phrases "ass whooping" and "beating" so glibly when talking about something entirely on a different level that just supports the strawmen they use when they try equate a simple spanking with true abuse as long as the discussion has people calling a swat on a hand or a single spank on the butt to be the same as breaking arms and concussions, there really is no discussion to be had as long as the 'tough guys' here continue state they "got beatings" when they really got a stern talking to and two spanks, there really is no discussion to be had as long as the kids that truly got abused try to rationalize their parents behavior as simple corporal punishment, there really is no discussion to be had the question is really about what crosses the line and what doesn't - the real starting point is to ask yourself "when I punish my child for something. Am I angry, or am I in control and rational?" AgreedLife is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #43 May 15, 2013 >as long as the discussion has people calling a swat on a hand or a single spank >on the butt to be the same as breaking arms and concussions, there really is no >discussion to be had While I agree, there are people who have a problem with this in both directions: 1) people who conflate the two and say that all that is just corporal punishment "just like I had when I was a kid and I turned out OK" 2) people who conflate the two and say that any such action is assault Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #44 May 15, 2013 billvon>While I agree, there are people who have a problem with this in both directions: 1) people who conflate the two and say that all that is just corporal punishment "just like I had when I was a kid and I turned out OK" 2) people who conflate the two and say that any such action is assault then you didn't read all my post - I made those exact same points. And one more "people that exaggerate the punishments they got to sound like tough guys" ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #45 May 15, 2013 >then you didn't read all my post - I made those exact same points. Right, and I agreed. I just added a category that I think is also relevant. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #46 May 15, 2013 billvon>then you didn't read all my post - I made those exact same points. Right, and I agreed. I just added a category that I think is also relevant. yeah, but you made me look up the word "conflate" ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 801 #47 May 15, 2013 "simple spanking with true abuse " Aggravated physical contact on another person is battery. Why don't you like kids? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #48 May 15, 2013 >Aggravated physical contact on another person is battery. Like I said . . . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 801 #49 May 15, 2013 If you don't agree with the laws, make efforts to have them changed to what you like. I doubt though you will get this law changed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #50 May 15, 2013 CygnusX-1Was her punishment technique derived from the three stooges? Yes, but she also used a large wooden mallet on our fingers....something she picked up from a "Road Runner Cartoon".Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites