regulator 0 #51 May 15, 2013 Whipping a child with a wire isnt corporal punishment by a long shot. Thats child abuse. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #52 May 15, 2013 normiss"simple spanking with true abuse " Aggravated physical contact on another person is battery. Why don't you like kids? they talk too much and won't wipe their noses and upper lips - and they smell funny (did you read up top about the first question a parent should ask themselves? something along the lines of are they "in control or aggravated" or some such) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rstanley0312 1 #53 May 15, 2013 normissIf you don't agree with the laws, make efforts to have them changed to what you like. I doubt though you will get this law changed. Wait... are you saying that the law says that a parent cannot spank their child?Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
base283 0 #54 May 15, 2013 regulatorWhipping a child with a wire isnt corporal punishment by a long shot. Thats child abuse. Though I agree with your statement. You have defined a line. Where did you get this deffy at? What would be an adequate substitute for the wire that wouldnt cross the line? a feather? a whip, belt, switch, baseballbat, tea pitcher... etc? Take care, space Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #55 May 15, 2013 PsychosWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #56 May 16, 2013 base283***Whipping a child with a wire isnt corporal punishment by a long shot. Thats child abuse. Though I agree with your statement. You have defined a line. Where did you get this deffy at? What would be an adequate substitute for the wire that wouldnt cross the line? a feather? a whip, belt, switch, baseballbat, tea pitcher... etc? Take care, space I know a little girl whose momma used to make her go out in the backyard and select her switch, and after getting a "switching", she spent some time alone in a room all by herself. She laughs about it today. "Some" of those implements you listed could be used without abuse. Not a good idea, but the wire could even be used.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #57 May 16, 2013 base283***Whipping a child with a wire isnt corporal punishment by a long shot. Thats child abuse. Though I agree with your statement. You have defined a line. Where did you get this deffy at? What would be an adequate substitute for the wire that wouldnt cross the line? a feather? a whip, belt, switch, baseballbat, tea pitcher... etc? Take care, space Possibly from the "rule of thumb" myth. http://womenshistory.about.com/od/mythsofwomenshistory/a/rule_of_thumb.htm Or possibly from the "No wire hangers, ever!" scene in Mommy Dearest. http://youtube.com/watch?v=lNn0lpwhoU4 In any case, beating your child with a wire does seem pretty fucked up and excessive.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldwomanc6 52 #58 May 16, 2013 rickjump1******Whipping a child with a wire isnt corporal punishment by a long shot. Thats child abuse. Though I agree with your statement. You have defined a line. Where did you get this deffy at? What would be an adequate substitute for the wire that wouldnt cross the line? a feather? a whip, belt, switch, baseballbat, tea pitcher... etc? Take care, space I know a little girl whose momma used to make her go out in the backyard and select her switch, and after getting a "switching", she spent some time alone in a room all by herself. She laughs about it today. "Some" of those implements you listed could be used without abuse. Not a good idea, but the wire could even be used. Interesting twist here. There once was a little girl used to have to go to the side yard and cut her own bamboo switches. This went on for years, until the welts and bruises became blood drawn. Then her mama finally stood up to her daddy, and said "NO MORE!" After that, the belt was sufficient. That little girl never thought a little swat on the butt was abuse.lisa WSCR 594 FB 1023 CBDB 9 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,447 #59 May 16, 2013 My mother had a belt used on her when she was little; she had a problem with her father all her life. She did spank, but never with a tool, except for one notable occasion . When I was about six, I painted tar all over the side of the garage in our rented house. My mother's punishment was to tell me I had to go to the landlord's house with her and apologize in person (which is actually a brilliant punishment). However, I was pathologically shy then, and absolutely refused, to the tune of pitching a fit etc, making it clear that any sort of teaching and/or apology wasn't going to be effective. She she used the worst threat she could think of, that she'd spank me with a hairbrush, figuring that'd scare me. I don't really remember the hairbrush spanking, but I doubt it really hurt all that much . Poor Mom, getting her bluff called by a 6-year-old. Yeah, she could have carried me over there and plopped me down in front of the landlord, but then it would have been about power and control, and not about apologizing for having damaged the house. Wendy P. There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldwomanc6 52 #60 May 16, 2013 What I find most interesting about this subject is the elephant in the room. Some say no physical punishment is right, some say I got beat and I'm Ok, some say it's a matter of degree. The same can be said of non "physical" punishment, as well. Time outs, is that OK? The opposite end of the spectrum is locking someone in a small space in the basement for days on end. Take away something. Is that OK? What about it's polar, say, no food for a week. (Don't laugh, the kid says they hate what you made for dinner and you make them go to bed without it). What about chores? Is that OK? The end result of chores is a personal slave, dontcha know? Yes, I am being dramatic, but it is something to think about.lisa WSCR 594 FB 1023 CBDB 9 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #61 May 16, 2013 Quote Yes, I am being dramatic, but it is something to think about. Okay, but for how long? quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldwomanc6 52 #62 May 16, 2013 quade Quote Yes, I am being dramatic, but it is something to think about. Okay, but for how long? I guess as long as your children are important to you.lisa WSCR 594 FB 1023 CBDB 9 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #63 May 16, 2013 oldwomanc6 *** Quote Yes, I am being dramatic, but it is something to think about. Okay, but for how long? I guess as long as your children are important to you. MY children are irrelevant to this discussion.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,447 #64 May 16, 2013 Great answer. It's a pity there are so many different instruction manuals for raising children, and so many different children, and no map to show which belongs to which . The least successful parents are likely to be those who only can think of one way to raise children, and whose children don't match that one way very well. Wendy P. There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #65 May 16, 2013 wmw999 Great answer. It's a pity there are so many different instruction manuals for raising children, and so many different children, and no map to show which belongs to which . The least successful parents are likely to be those who only can think of one way to raise children, and whose children don't match that one way very well. Wendy P. "The least successful parents", are also the ones who can never see their own mistakes or bad judgement.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,447 #66 May 16, 2013 True dat Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldwomanc6 52 #67 May 16, 2013 quade ****** Quote Yes, I am being dramatic, but it is something to think about. Okay, but for how long? I guess as long as your children are important to you. MY children are irrelevant to this discussion.Then, I guess you don't have to trouble your pretty little head about it! lisa WSCR 594 FB 1023 CBDB 9 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
