quade 4 #1 May 23, 2013 QuoteAlex Jones Explains How Government "Weather Weapon" Could Have Been Behind Oklahoma Tornado Conspiracy theorist radio host Alex Jones explained to his audience today how the government could have been behind the devastating May 20 tornado in Oklahoma. On the May 21 edition of The Alex Jones Show, a caller asked Jones whether he was planning to cover how government technology may be behind a recent spate of sinkholes. After laying out how insurance companies use weather modification to avoid having to pay ski resorts for lack of snow, Jones said that "of course there's weather weapon stuff going on -- we had floods in Texas like fifteen years ago, killed thirty-something people in one night. Turned out it was the Air Force." Source: http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/05/21/alex-jones-explains-how-government-weather-weap/194167 You can safely put this moron into the category of tin-foil hatters.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Southern_Man 0 #2 May 23, 2013 quade You can safely put this moron into the category of tin-foil hatters. Somebody should invite him to the DB Cooper thread."What if there were no hypothetical questions?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeteNoire 0 #3 May 23, 2013 quadeYou can safely put this moron into the category of tin-foil hatters. I think I'll just put him into the category of "entertainment". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #4 May 26, 2013 quadeQuoteAlex Jones Explains How Government "Weather Weapon" Could Have Been Behind Oklahoma Tornado Conspiracy theorist radio host Alex Jones explained to his audience today how the government could have been behind the devastating May 20 tornado in Oklahoma. On the May 21 edition of The Alex Jones Show, a caller asked Jones whether he was planning to cover how government technology may be behind a recent spate of sinkholes. After laying out how insurance companies use weather modification to avoid having to pay ski resorts for lack of snow, Jones said that "of course there's weather weapon stuff going on -- we had floods in Texas like fifteen years ago, killed thirty-something people in one night. Turned out it was the Air Force." Source: http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/05/21/alex-jones-explains-how-government-weather-weap/194167 You can safely put this moron into the category of tin-foil hatters. He's been in that category for a long, long time. That's in both the "Moron" and "Tin-Foil Hat" categories."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ayevee8toryear 0 #5 May 27, 2013 Are you saying that weather weapons do not exist? There are several patents on different forms of these. They have also been banned by the Geneva convention for decades. What makes you say that technology that is decades old and on the record has not been advanced and being used in modern times. Are you aware of the patents on geo-engineering, that is already going on and is also very much on the record? Or do you just palm stuff off that you consider absurd conspiracy stuff without really researching it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ayevee8toryear 0 #6 May 27, 2013 QuoteYou can safely put this moron into the category of tin-foil hatters. Ha, as much as I do not understand much of what Alex Jones talks about, he is not a moron. Remember the rant he has on Piers Morgan a couple of months back.. Well Piers now agrees with Alex that the government is Tyrannical or very close to it. I bet you went with the flow there too when that was happening? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4T0fh00UVM The morons are those that wave the flag while personal liberties are removed at an alarming rate by the current administration and call it Patriotism, you decide whether or not you slip into that category. Do you trust what you are being told by the government and media? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #7 May 27, 2013 QuoteAre you saying that weather weapons do not exist? Yes. Of the type suggested by Alex Jones, categorically and 100 percent a complete myth. Anyone that thinks humans can "steer" or create an F5 tornado has no concept of the amount of energy involved.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stumpy 284 #8 May 27, 2013 ayevee8toryear Ha, as much as I do not understand much of what Alex Jones talks about, he is not a moron. Remember the rant he has on Piers Morgan a couple of months back.. Ranting at Piers Morgan does not preclude one from being a moron. I think just about everyone thinks Piers Morgan is a dick.Never try to eat more than you can lift Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ayevee8toryear 0 #9 May 27, 2013 You are not being concise enough. Weather weapons do exist, do you acknowledge that? Particulars aside, firstly I have to establish whether or not you are willing to accept this first before working out whether debating it with you is worth while. You have already said that weather weapons do not exist and this demonstrates a naive standpoint. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #10 May 27, 2013 I acknowledge you can try to seed a stratus cloud layer in an attempt to get it to rain. That rain, if it happens, will be a thin strip (about a plane width) and a drizzle. If the rain falls more "here" than "there" and you can somehow affect crop yields as a result, some have called that a "weather weapon." China has acknowledged attempting to do this very thing to ensure less rain when they last held their Olympics. It was inconclusive if their efforts has any effect whatsoever. That's is in no way the same thing as being suggested by Alex Jones.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ayevee8toryear 0 #11 May 27, 2013 Ever heard of Ben Livingston? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vT8GGHWSmIY Alex has. I assume you have not, based on your previous reply so I guess Alex Jones is a bit more informed than you are on the subject. If you re pressed for time, scroll along to half way... Remember, Alex did not say this tornado was man made, he said if you saw aircraft around it during it's formation then it would likely be. The tin foil hat card is usually pulled out by those that freak out about something they do not wish to understand and are looking for others to assure them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #12 May 27, 2013 ayevee8toryearRemember, Alex did not say this tornado was man made, he said if you saw aircraft around it during it's formation then it would likely be. Jones implies that it is possible to cause an EF5 tornado to form with current technology. I call bullshit. Show us credible research that suggests that it can be done. Otherwise, yeah, it's just the same tin-foil hat stuff Jones is so well known for.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #13 May 27, 2013 There is no physics that support the claim. None. Cloud seeding from the Vietnam era is a far cry from what Jones is suggesting is possible. It's the difference between salting your French fries and setting off a nuclear weapon. And that's actually the case here because we're talking about the energy required for a small nuclear weapon, harnessed and directed. If that was even vaguely possible, there should be no reason whatsoever to go to an intermediate stage requiring the variables included in atmospheric moisture and we sure as hell wouldn't waste it on a small Midwestern town in Oklahoma. Its just stupid.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ayevee8toryear 0 #14 May 27, 2013 QuoteJones implies that it is possible to cause an EF5 tornado to form with current technology. I call bullshit. Show us credible research that suggests that it can be done. Otherwise, yeah, it's just the same tin-foil hat stuff Jones is so well known for. Did you watch the Piece on Ben Livingston? They made massive rain storms in Vietnam causing fatalities and successfully inhibiting the movement of enemy military equipment and supplies and during the dry season during the war there, their mission was to do precisely that. If you understand weather at all in the tropics you will understand that is no easy task. If they could do that in the 1960's it would be also be naive in my opinion to assume that technology has not been advanced somewhat in half a century. There is not much of a progressive step between creating massive fatal rain storms in the dry season and creating tornadoes in tornado prone places... if you ask me. What qualification do you have that allows you to refute what Ben Livingston has told us in that presentation? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ayevee8toryear 0 #15 May 27, 2013 QuoteCloud seeding from the Vietnam era is a far cry from what Jones is suggesting is possible. It's the difference between salting your French fries and setting of a nuclear weapon. LOL, First you say it is only possible to cause some isolated drizzle, then I give you evidence of weather weapons intentionally causing massive rainfall during the dry season in Vietnam 50 years ago fulfilling a precise military objective. Then you go on to talk about energy required for a small nuclear weapon... Grasping at straws much? Nature has the energy stored and much like a nuclear explosion, that energy in not stored in a device or receptacle, only the catalyst is. I believe it is possible to entice the earths natural processes to intensify as Ben and company have demonstrated. Therefore I am open to the suggestion that tornadoes could be created. If you want to label people as nutcases for thinking differently to you, that is your prerogative. Your standpoint seems kinda negative to me. I will run in this instance with a great piece of advice that I like to run with to determine which way I will sway in conclusion. "Beware those that cannot see beyond their reach, let alone the horizon". LOL Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #16 May 27, 2013 ayevee8toryearWhat qualification do you have that allows you to refute what Ben Livingston has told us in that presentation? The onus is on you to back up the claim that it is possible to create an EF5 tornado at will. A YouTube video does not count as credible research.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #17 May 27, 2013 QuoteFirst you say it is only possible to cause some isolated drizzle, then I give you evidence of weather weapons intentionally causing massive rainfall during the dry season in Vietnam 50 years ago fulfilling a precise military objective. No. You didn't. You didn't give any evidence whatsoever. Show me a credible and verifiable piece of evidence and you might have a point, but there is no evidence whatsoever I'm aware of that cloud seeding is nearly as effective as the claims you're making. There is no conclusive evidence of it being effective at causing precipitation in excess of what would normally be expected. That's actually the problem, it's pretty well impossible to tell if it's effective at all. Yes, I realize there are companies that do cloud seeding as a business...so does my local palm reader. Well, maybe, just maybe if we increased the nano-thermite...maybe then.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ayevee8toryear 0 #18 May 27, 2013 QuoteThe onus is on you to back up the claim that it is possible to create an EF5 tornado at will. A YouTube video does not count as credible research. Everything is possible as far as I am concerned, the onus is on you to explain why it is not. I am quite content not knowing for sure. What I do know for sure is, that none of you have the information to say for sure that it is impossible. This is what I am questioning. I bet you are also an Atheist? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #19 May 27, 2013 Quote...the onus is on you to explain why it is not. No. That's NEVER the way it works. The burden of proof is on the person making the extraordinary claim, not the person doubting him. The extraordinary claim is that it can be done. It's the extraordinary claim, because it's the thing that's contrary to the way nature works and beyond a normal understanding of basic physics.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mistercwood 287 #20 May 27, 2013 OhChute? Is that you? You are playing chicken with a planet - you can't dodge and planets don't blink. Act accordingly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ayevee8toryear 0 #21 May 27, 2013 You misinterpret the debate. You come on, start a thread stating how much of a moron and tin foil hatter Alex Jones is and I question your intent. I show you an interview Alex did with the guy that basically invented weather Warfare 50 years ago proving he has more information than you have to make claims with, while you say weather warfare does not exist. You say it is only possible o make isolated drizzle, then I show you evidence of the said fatal storms fulfilling military objectives during the Vietnam war. Please explain how you conclude that making tornadoes must be impossible if this type of massive manipulation was possible half a century ago? You concluded that he is a moron because you want to believe that, not because you know it for sure. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mistercwood 287 #22 May 27, 2013 ayevee8toryear then I show you evidence of the said fatal storms fulfilling military objectives 50 years ago. What evidence? The guy in the video said himself said it was empirical, they didn't have any actual hard data recorded to prove it was working.You are playing chicken with a planet - you can't dodge and planets don't blink. Act accordingly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stumpy 284 #23 May 27, 2013 quadeQuote...the onus is on you to explain why it is not. No. That's NEVER the way it works. The burden of proof is on the person making the extraordinary claim, not the person doubting him. The extraordinary claim is that it can be done. It's the extraordinary claim, because it's the thing that's contrary to the way nature works and beyond a normal understanding of basic physics. Haven't you seen the avengers? It was a dude with a hammer.Never try to eat more than you can lift Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ayevee8toryear 0 #24 May 27, 2013 QuoteWhat evidence? The guy in the video said himself said it was empirical, they didn't have any actual hard data recorded to prove it was working. I guess they were just Lucky then? lol Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ayevee8toryear 0 #25 May 27, 2013 QuoteThe onus is on you to back up the claim that it is possible to create an EF5 tornado at will. A YouTube video does not count as credible research. I do not claim it is definitely possible, I claim it is difficult to determine that it is impossible. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites