ayevee8toryear 0 #126 May 31, 2013 QuoteWeather is a very broad term-- I thought we were specifically talking about tornadoes; large and violent ones at that. Without large scale changes/manipulation, IE: 0-6km bulk shear changes, temp/dewpoint changes, LCL changes, energy/helicity changes, jet core strength/location changes, freezing level changes, stability (or rather instability in this case) changes. And all of these have to be done on a large synoptic scale. Scientifically speaking, I believe it is not possible to simply alter things of this nature. Especially not by something as simple as "aircraft buzzing around a storm." Then I pull the geo-engineering card out on you, if you can claim your being a Met person gives you a good reason to deny the possibility manipulating, how much have you been discussing geo-engineering among your colleagues?. And by the way, No we are not talking about tornadoes, we are talking about weather weapons,and whether or not these are possible. That is it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #127 May 31, 2013 billvonActually, the person making the extraordinary claim is the one who has the obligation to provide the data. That's ridiculous. Fire-breathing dragons probably exist. Since you can't prove fire-breathing dragons don't exist, then it's probably true that fire-breathing dragons exist. QE f'n D. Oh, and it was the dragons that really started the Great Chicago Fire. They just want you to believe it was a cow.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #128 May 31, 2013 Did you know earthquakes in California are controlled by Lex Luthor?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #129 May 31, 2013 quadeDid you know earthquakes in California are controlled by Lex Luthor? Yeah, I know. They've been trying to cover it up. Plate tectonics my ass. Keep up the good work getting the truth out.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ayevee8toryear 0 #130 May 31, 2013 QuoteDid you know earthquakes in California are controlled by Lex Luthor? Haha, I wonder why there are so many childish idiots on this website... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #131 May 31, 2013 ayevee8toryearQuoteDid you know earthquakes in California are controlled by Lex Luthor? Haha, I wonder why there are so many childish idiots on this website... Not really sure either. For instance, you said you were leaving, yet here you are.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mistercwood 287 #133 May 31, 2013 mistercwood OhChute? Is that you? No seriously, is this OhChute? Don't think I've seen him post once since this guy showed up. The arguing style of "put out controversial/ridiculous opinion, debate with purely anecdotal evidence for a bit, then claim not to necessarily support the position you've clearly been fighting very hard to support", is just a teensy bit familiar. Hasn't said anything about the tornado being the fault of the blacks, yet, so I could be off on this one... You are playing chicken with a planet - you can't dodge and planets don't blink. Act accordingly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #134 May 31, 2013 Since you can't conclusively prove he's NOT ohchute, logic dictates that he is. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,064 #135 May 31, 2013 Some fun facts: Kinetic energy in the Oklahoma tornado (est) - 110 gigawatt-hours Total kinetic energy output of 10 C130's circling a storm for six hours at full power - .08 gigawatt-hours Hiroshima bomb energy output - 18 gigawatt-hours Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #136 May 31, 2013 mistercwood ***OhChute? Is that you? No seriously, is this OhChute? Don't think I've seen him post once since this guy showed up. The arguing style of "put out controversial/ridiculous opinion, debate with purely anecdotal evidence for a bit, then claim not to necessarily support the position you've clearly been fighting very hard to support", is just a teensy bit familiar. Hasn't said anything about the tornado being the fault of the blacks, yet, so I could be off on this one... I'd put money it's not OhChute. Now, our good buddy Rhys? Now I'd make that bet... Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #137 May 31, 2013 If all the trolls were actually one person I'd give him or her a lot of credit for being able to adjust writing style so well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #138 May 31, 2013 billvonSome fun facts: Kinetic energy in the Oklahoma tornado (est) - 110 gigawatt-hours Total kinetic energy output of 10 C130's circling a storm for six hours at full power - .08 gigawatt-hours Hiroshima bomb energy output - 18 gigawatt-hours Tell that to some people and they still won't see the problem. And here's the thing, you shouldn't have to be a genius to figure that out all by yourself either. We can quibble about some numbers being slightly too big or too small or the use of which airplanes for how long, but the fact remains it's a problem of scale and magnitudes which should make it obvious...yet to them it isn't.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,559 #139 May 31, 2013 Quoteha ha, So I cannot claim to believe it is impossible to determine something is impossible, while also having a personal opinion that the thing I think is actually possible is likely? No, you cannot say that your position is only that it is impossible to determine that something is impossible, call people idiots for suggesting that you are saying anything more, while also saying that you think the thing is likely. That's weasely trolling.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,559 #140 May 31, 2013 Quote Now, our good buddy Rhys? Now I'd make that bet... I don't think he's Rhys. The conspiracy theories fit, but this guy can use punctuation. He's definitely an old 'friend' but I couldn't say who.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #141 May 31, 2013 Let me get this straight: Dick Cheney is working for Obama, using Halliburton built nano-devices to control the weather. The devices were dispersed into the atmosphere during 9/11 (by very large remote drones) in order to be ready to cause tornado tragedies so the extremist press would report on weather and trailer parks, and interview fat people in dirty t-shirts thanking someone named 'god' for the privilege of smashing their big screen TVs....... instead of reporting on: Bengazi, reporters under investigation by the Administration, and the IRS actually trying to apply for tax exempt status from itself? And the only thing that has brought this conspiracy to light is gay married people with concealed carry permits. Clinton and Bush Senior would roll over in their graves if the Israelis would let them. Edit: for the children Edit Edit: I apologize - that post is clearly an example of terroristic workplace violence. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #142 May 31, 2013 Nice summary. But you missed the boobies.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ayevee8toryear 0 #143 June 1, 2013 QuoteTotal kinetic energy output of 10 C130's circling a storm for six hours at full power - .08 gigawatt-hours ROTFLMAO... QuoteHiroshima bomb energy output - 18 gigawatt-hours And the catylist? It is amazing how they can stuff so much energy into one little bomb.. they must like shrink the energy or something... Bwa hahaha... What a bunch of dip shit arguments in this thread. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ayevee8toryear 0 #144 June 1, 2013 QuoteThe conspiracy theories fit Lol Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mistercwood 287 #145 June 1, 2013 Quote What a bunch of dip shit arguments in this thread. I believe I can speak for everyone here when I say: Yup. You are 100% correct there. You are playing chicken with a planet - you can't dodge and planets don't blink. Act accordingly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ayevee8toryear 0 #146 June 1, 2013 Quote I believe I can speak for everyone here when I say: Yup. You are 100% correct there Can we get an Amen? (turns and looks at the choir) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,064 #147 June 1, 2013 >And the catylist? It is amazing how they can stuff so much energy into one little >bomb.. they must like shrink the energy or something... Or something. Yep. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ayevee8toryear 0 #148 June 1, 2013 So I stumbled across this, I am not willing to verify it but it certainly interesting and quite apt for this discussion. Lets see if anything happens over the coming time frame to see it there are anything comes of it. http://www.theweatherspace.com/haarpstatus-north-america/ I believe this is a real time image that changes as the data is received from a number of sensors around the country, so the status is current. QuoteHAARP was targeting downtown Oklahoma City today, precisely where the latest severe tornado outbreak has occurred tonight. This was also the case with last weeks tornadoes, also in Oklahoma. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #149 June 1, 2013 ayevee8toryearSo I stumbled across this, I am not willing to verify it but it certainly interesting and quite apt for this discussion. Lets see if anything happens over the coming time frame to see it there are anything comes of it. http://www.theweatherspace.com/haarpstatus-north-america/ I believe this is a real time image that changes as the data is received from a number of sensors around the country, so the status is current. QuoteHAARP was targeting downtown Oklahoma City today, precisely where the latest severe tornado outbreak has occurred tonight. This was also the case with last weeks tornadoes, also in Oklahoma. From their "short wave" page. QuoteAbout: Shortwave detection is a new cutting edge method to detecting electromagnetic fields within the atmosphere that may in the future detect where a tornado might strike. The focus here is tornadoes, due to the belief electricity can make them stronger or weaker. Uh . . . or you might want to reverse the cause and effect there. Thunderstorms make electricity.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ayevee8toryear 0 #150 June 1, 2013 'Maybe' an electric motor is a good comparison, they have the ability to create electricity and input of electricity also increases their energy output and RPM. Like I said I do not have the ability verify this data, but it is interesting and does give us some data to work with. It has been said that Haarp cannot manipulate the atmosphere here in this discussion and others by the very same people that say weather weapons do not exist. I am not so sure about that. . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites