Judge rules against 'America's toughest sheriff' in racial profiling lawsuit

[rushmc 23]

jcd11235

***From my interpretation of the AZ law... these check points are illegal.

Hmmm … it seems odd that federal judges don't consult with you before interpreting law.

but he should consult you however

correct?



WAFJ

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jcd11235 0]

rushmc

but he should consult you however

No. Consulting the Constitution and relevant case law, as was done in this case, should be sufficient.

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[rushmc 23]

jcd11235

***but he should consult you however

No. Consulting the Constitution and relevant case law, as was done in this case, should be sufficient.

And every federal judge is right the first fucking time

got it

Again
WAFJ

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jcd11235 0]

rushmc

******but he should consult you however

No. Consulting the Constitution and relevant case law, as was done in this case, should be sufficient.

And every federal judge is right the first fucking time

got it

Again
WAFJ

It's amusing how you keep coming down on the side of violating the Constitution. You support Arpaio's unconstitutional racial profiling tactics, while opposing the lawful search of a reporter who incited the leak of classified documents. Interesting.

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[kallend 2,027]

rushmc

******but he should consult you however

No. Consulting the Constitution and relevant case law, as was done in this case, should be sufficient.

And every federal judge is right the first fucking time

got it

Again
WAFJ

They have a rather better track record than you.

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[rushmc 23]

jcd11235

*********but he should consult you however

No. Consulting the Constitution and relevant case law, as was done in this case, should be sufficient.

And every federal judge is right the first fucking time

got it

Again
WAFJ

It's amusing how you keep coming down on the side of violating the Constitution. You support Arpaio's unconstitutional racial profiling tactics, while opposing the lawful search of a reporter who incited the leak of classified documents. Interesting.

It is even more amusing YOU think you know what the Constitution means and are qualified to make final determination

Quintessential liberal

Oh

and you do not have any idea what I oppose
Other than you thinking yourself smarter than all you disagree with

I would guess you get that part correct

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jcd11235 0]

rushmc

It is even more amusing YOU think you know what the Constitution means and are qualified to make final determination

Wrong again. I leave that to the Judicial Branch. They are the only ones who are authorized to make final determination of what the Constitution and other federal laws mean.

rushmc

you do not have any idea what I oppose

I only have your posts to read for insight into your political beliefs. Are you saying that you don't actually believe the nonsense you so often post?

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[rushmc 23]

I only have your posts to read for insight into your political beliefs. Are you saying that you don't actually believe the nonsense you so often post?


Yep
I believe what I post
And I post what I mean
Unlike you

but
as usual you moved off topic

You still thnk every fed judge gets it right the first time?
You think every judge follows the Constitution? Or only those who agree with you

And of course my thoughts are nonsense because you don't agree with them

Again
Pure liberal thought on display

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jcd11235 0]

rushmc

I only have your posts to read for insight into your political beliefs. Are you saying that you don't actually believe the nonsense you so often post?

Yep
I believe what I post
And I post what I mean
Unlike you

but
as usual you moved off topic

You still thnk every fed judge gets it right the first time?
You think every judge follows the Constitution? Or only those who agree with you

And of course my thoughts are nonsense because you don't agree with them

Again
Pure liberal thought on display

Do you have a point, or are you just rehashing your previously refuted claims?

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wmw999

New Mexico is among the states that allows illegal immigrants to get driver's licenses. So brown people would still have to carry additional papers.

How many of you carry your passport all the time? How many of you even have a passport?

Wendy P.

Wouldn't it be a good idea that one carries one's passport when in a foreign country? I don't see the problem with requiring foreigners to carry additional papers here in this country.

The hoopla is only trying to protect the illegals who are either already here or soon to come.

OTOH, this whole political football about amnesty is a good example of civil disobedience changing the laws. It's working. You just have to have enough people being disobedient.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[jakee 1,489]

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Wouldn't it be a good idea that one carries one's passport when in a foreign country?

She's talking about US citizens in the US.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[wmw999 2,447]

Yes, I was. People who were born in the US, but since they're brown in a border state, are "taken for" being illegal immigrants.

And when I'm in a foreign country, I take a photocopy of the relevant page of my passport; I generally leave the original in the hotel safe. But I never, ever carry it in the US. I don't even necessarily carry ID with me when I'm out walking, or riding with my husband.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[Andy9o8 2]

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I don't even necessarily carry ID with me when I'm out walking, or riding with my husband.

(Digression) When I'm out running or exercise-walking alone, but don't want to carry my license with me, I always have at least a slip of paper w/my name, address & phone number in the pocket of my shorts, basically in case I get hit by a car or something and can't speak for myself. Don't wanna be a John Doe.

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popsjumper

Wouldn't it be a good idea that one carries one's passport when in a foreign country? I don't see the problem with requiring foreigners to carry additional papers here in this country.

Do you travel abroad?

I know Canada's Foreign Affairs office, and I also believe the US State Department, both strongly recommend against carrying your passport/visa on your person when out of the country, suggesting you keep it locked in a secure location. Purser's safe or hotel safe being just two examples. One exception (of sorts) for me, was at the World Meet in Russia; we were required to surrender ours to the organizers for safe-keeping. Most notably, the American team were pretty agitated about that.

When I'm in the States, I sure don't wish to risk being rolled and having it stolen.

John

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aphid

***Wouldn't it be a good idea that one carries one's passport when in a foreign country? I don't see the problem with requiring foreigners to carry additional papers here in this country.

Do you travel abroad?

I know Canada's Foreign Affairs office, and I also believe the US State Department, both strongly recommend against carrying your passport/visa on your person when out of the country, suggesting you keep it locked in a secure location. Purser's safe or hotel safe being just two examples. One exception (of sorts) for me, was at the World Meet in Russia; we were required to surrender ours to the organizers for safe-keeping. Most notably, the American team were pretty agitated about that.

When I'm in the States, I sure don't wish to risk being rolled and having it stolen.

John

What does my traveling have to do with it?
I asked a question. You gave a good reason for not carrying a passport.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

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jakee

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Wouldn't it be a good idea that one carries one's passport when in a foreign country?

She's talking about US citizens in the US.

Read the entire paragraph:
"Wouldn't it be a good idea that one carries one's passport when in a foreign country? I don't see the problem with requiring foreigners to carry additional papers here in this country. "

I'm talking about foreigners in this country.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[popsjumper 2]

There was nothing in your OP reference that indicated that what the sheriff's department was actually doing was against the law.

What? In a county with a large, large percentage of "brown" people, one would expect a large percentage of stops to involve "brown" people.

It doesn't follow that if X% of the population is "brown" then X% of violations of the law are committed by "brown" people. And that goes either direction...up or down.



I understand the resistance to profiling when you are a member of the target group. What I find odd is the complaints when almost everybody does it on a daily basis...yes, even those members of the mentioned target group.

The police would be handcuffed if they didn't use profiling in their investigations. Job hiring specialists would be handcuffed trying to meet goobermint mandated racial/ethnic quotas, college admissions, political associations....the list goes on.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[jakee 1,489]

popsjumper

***

Quote

Wouldn't it be a good idea that one carries one's passport when in a foreign country?

She's talking about US citizens in the US.

Read the entire paragraph:
"Wouldn't it be a good idea that one carries one's passport when in a foreign country? I don't see the problem with requiring foreigners to carry additional papers here in this country. "

I'm talking about foreigners in this country.

Uh, yeah - that was pretty obvious...

Which was why I was pointing out that it was a non-sequitur that did not address any part of the post of Wendy's that it was a reply to.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[Remster 30]

BillyVance

***if that's the case then you are right.

The article made it seem like he was going around just pulling over tan people.

What in the hell would you do then? His county is one of the major corridors of illegal alien traffic. He's doing what he can to stem that behavior however he can within the law he works with.

That's strange. Pima and Pinal county are as much, if not more, of a corridor, and we don't seem to have scumbag sherrifs running the show.

Remster

[popsjumper 2]

Whatever. Thank you posting police.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[rushmc 23]

Does not seem there is hate for this officer

One step of stupidity gone

Soon the judge will be overturned

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-ff-arpaio-recall-fails-20130530,0,7548060.story

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,027]

rushmc

Does not seem there is hate for this officer

One step of stupidity gone

Soon the judge will be overturned

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-ff-arpaio-recall-fails-20130530,0,7548060.story

Invoking Godwin:

Both Hitler and Mussolini were popular too.

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[normiss 800]

Didn't they also have some significant border issues?

[rushmc 23]

kallend

***Does not seem there is hate for this officer

One step of stupidity gone

Soon the judge will be overturned

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-ff-arpaio-recall-fails-20130530,0,7548060.story

Invoking Godwin:

Both Hitler and Mussolini were popular too.

Now you are thinking of Obama

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Andy9o8 2]

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Soon the judge will be overturned

Really? OK, let's see how long you can hold your breath.