Remster 30 #51 July 2, 2013 kallend *** Quote God gave man a free will. Surely you don't blame our God for natural dissaters, mass shootings, murders, etc...? I don't blame Him for anything. I also don't give Him credit for good things. I don't believe He exists. Quote punishing the children for the sins of the fathers to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me Like I said, douchey. I appreciate your concern for my immortal soul. That's nice. But frankly I wouldn't want to spend an eternity basking in the presence of a being who's so jealous, petty, and cruel. Well, Zeus wasn't so nice either. But the FSM, now there's an all around nice guy. It may be too late to show Dang the ways of His Noodley Appendage. He seems to have been perverted by the blasphemous church of the napkin, already... Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rick 67 #52 July 2, 2013 Remster ****** Quote God gave man a free will. Surely you don't blame our God for natural dissaters, mass shootings, murders, etc...? I don't blame Him for anything. I also don't give Him credit for good things. I don't believe He exists. Quote punishing the children for the sins of the fathers to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me Like I said, douchey. I appreciate your concern for my immortal soul. That's nice. But frankly I wouldn't want to spend an eternity basking in the presence of a being who's so jealous, petty, and cruel. Well, Zeus wasn't so nice either. But the FSM, now there's an all around nice guy. It may be too late to show Dang the ways of His Noodley Appendage. He seems to have been perverted by the blasphemous church of the napkin, already... mmmmmmmm praise the pastaYou can't be drunk all day if you don't start early! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #53 July 2, 2013 WHO WIPES UP THE SAUCY LIES OF THE NOODLED ONE??? THE NAPKIN HAS THE FINAL WORD ALWAYS!!! REPENT NOW, AND WIPE AWAY YOUR SINS!!! (giggle) - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmcoco84 5 #54 July 2, 2013 QuoteI was born and raised in it, too. I outgrew it just like I outgrew Santa Claus and the boogeyman. How were you raised? What did your parents believe (the basics), teach you, and what type of church(s) did they bring you to, or introduce you to? Christian is not a sufficient answer; if you desire to answer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,499 #55 July 2, 2013 QuoteCommandment No. 1: "Thou shalt have no other God's before me" Which is exactly why putting the Commandments in front of a government building is "In your face" - and exactly why people who say that the Commandments should be put in front of a courthouse because they are the foundation of modern law are talking nonsense. (And you need to teach your God some basic grammar.)Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,499 #56 July 2, 2013 QuoteBut making remarks like your's is very disrespectful to whom ever they were spoken about. Poor Christians. Always so quick to see that they're the persecuted majority... but with apparently no inkling that decrying the actions and words of those that don't share their beliefs as being so evil they are worthy of eternal torment might come across as being just a tad disrespectful as well. And to actual people, not their imaginary friends. (And for Christ's sake learn where the apostrophes go. The Goddess of poor punctuation is dreaming up a special hell for you right now, so you'd better hurry!)Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #57 July 2, 2013 QuoteHow were you raised? What did your parents believe (the basics), teach you, and what type of church(s) did they bring you to, or introduce you to? I was raised Roman Catholic. If you're familiar with Catholicism you might find it interesting that I have received all of the Sacraments except ordination and marriage (since we weren't married by a priest). Yes, I even received the Last Rites once, although I was not a believer at the time so it probably doesn't really count. BTW, please do not try to claim that Catholicism is not Christian. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmcoco84 5 #58 July 2, 2013 Why were you not a believer at the time? Were you ever? If not... why did you do everything you did, aside from doing what a Catholic would do that is not really practicing, but, for example, doing enough to keep their family happy. QuoteBTW, please do not try to claim that Catholicism is not Christian. Not what I was getting at. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #59 July 2, 2013 QuoteWhy were you not a believer at the time? Were you ever? If not... why did you do everything you did, aside from doing what a Catholic would do that is not really practicing, but, for example, doing enough to keep their family happy. I was a believer until about my second year of college. I got pretty into Bible study my first year, but it just created more questions than it answered. There was no moment of clarity, my faith just eroded over time. I was a believer when I received all of the early Sacraments (except baptism, which happened when I was an infant), but frankly First Communion is usually given to kids when they're too young to really question anything, and Confirmation is usually given when kids are just starting to question things. I like the Baptist idea of adult baptism better, for that reason. I was given the Last Rights when there was a chance of my dying. I accepted them to ease the pain on my mother if I didn't make it. It held no meaning for me, but I know it would have had great significance for her. Of course, this discussion really isn't about me, but I'm not ashamed of my journey like some would imply. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmcoco84 5 #60 July 2, 2013 QuoteI accepted them to ease the pain on my mother if I didn't make it. It held no meaning for me, but I know it would have had great significance for her. Totally understandable. QuoteI got pretty into Bible study my first year, but it just created more questions than it answered. That is very reasonable... the Bible did the same for me. And I pissed off a shit load of counselors at Triple R Ranch when I debated them at Bible talk times in our cabins; went for the horses, not the religion, but enjoyed the information. I pissed off a lot of preachers and priests too, when I went to the various church's of different denominations; both from parents and friends. What types of questions arose that went unanswered? With this being said, would you agree that a Jew and Christian, would say that the 10 Commandments are "God's Law"? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #61 July 2, 2013 QuoteWith this being said, would you agree that a Jew and Christian, would say that the 10 Commandments are "God's Law"? Commandments #1 through #4 are religious laws that the religious follow. Commandments #5 through #10 are just common decency that everyone should follow. As an agnostic, I just don't get the fuss from both sides. The religious should be allowed to practice their religion free from persecution, but should also respect that not everyone believes in what they believe in and should leave the non-believers alone. Likewise the non-believes should let the religious do their thing. The atheists who erected this latest monument are just as bad as the people they mock. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmcoco84 5 #62 July 3, 2013 Sorry... I'm not going to (keep) argue(ing) the stupid bull shit that has been argued above and in the DOMA thread Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmcoco84 5 #63 July 3, 2013 Would you agree that a Jew and Christian, would say that the 10 Commandments are "God's Law"? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rwieder 0 #64 July 3, 2013 QuoteBTW, I'm assuming you are a Christian since you haven't explicitly stated so. Perhaps you are Jew or a Muslim, that might make more sense. I dunno. FYI, I am a German Lutheran, Missouri Synod Christian. Life long. I passed up the chance to go to St. Louis to attend the seminary when I was a kid to join the Petroleum Industry. (Mistake) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #65 July 3, 2013 QuoteWould you agree that a Jew and Christian, would say that the 10 Commandments are "God's Law"? I suppose so. Certain sects obviously have other "laws" that they enforce, but I guess the big 10 are generally the same. Things like the golden rule are more like guidelines. And, of course Christians like to pick and choose which Levitican laws they like. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rifleman 70 #66 July 3, 2013 Nun: Let me get this straight: you don't believe in God because of "Alice in Wonderland"? Loki: No, "Through the Looking Glass". That poem, "The Walrus and the Carpenter," that's an indictment of organized religion. The walrus, with his girth and his good nature, he obviously represents either Buddha, or, or with his tusks, the Hindu elephant god, Lord Ganesha. That takes care of your Eastern religions. Now the carpenter, which is an obvious reference to Jesus Christ, who was raised a carpenter's son, he represents the Western religions. Now in the poem, what do they do? What do they do? They, they dupe all these oysters into following them and then proceed to shuck and devour the helpless creatures en masse. I don't know what that says to you, but to me it says that following these faiths based on mythological figures ensures the destruction of one's inner being. Organized religion destroys who we are by inhibiting our actions, by inhibiting our decisions out of, out of fear of some, some intangible parent figure who, who shakes a finger at us from thousands of years ago and says, and says, "Do it... do it or I'll fuckin' spank you."Atheism is a Non-Prophet Organisation Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmcoco84 5 #67 July 3, 2013 DanGQuoteWould you agree that a Jew and Christian, would say that the 10 Commandments are "God's Law"? I suppose so. Certain sects obviously have other "laws" that they enforce, but I guess the big 10 are generally the same. Things like the golden rule are more like guidelines. And, of course Christians like to pick and choose which Levitican laws they like. Suppose so is good enough... keep it simple. So... lucky number 7: Adultery. If a women commits adultery, the punishment is for her to be stoned, right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #68 July 3, 2013 QuoteIf a women commits adultery, the punishment is for her to be stoned, right? If you're following the Old Testament. I doubt Jesus would see it that way. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #69 July 3, 2013 Christians!... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmcoco84 5 #70 July 3, 2013 Yeeeeeeees... Forget Jesus; if he even existed, he wasn't born when the 10 Commandments came about. From your knowledge and understanding... is that the punishment or not? There ARE punishments for breaking each of the commandments, right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #71 July 3, 2013 skinnay http://www.news4jax.com/news/atheists-unveil-monument-by-ten-commandments-in-front-of-courthouse/-/475880/20775114/-/2xce5tz/-/index.html I wonder how long it will be before its vandalized in the name of god I want to see someone put one of those up next to an Islamic monument and see what happens to them. [Grabs Popcorn] Or do Atheist Groups only target Christian monuments?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skinnay 0 #72 July 3, 2013 kallendChristians! Looks like Jesus is really dropping the ball these days Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #73 July 3, 2013 QuoteFrom your knowledge and understanding... is that the punishment or not? There ARE punishments for breaking each of the commandments, right? As far as I know, but I'm not well versed in the punishment stuff. But I love shellfish. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 362 #74 July 3, 2013 QuoteI want to see someone put one of those up next to an Islamic monument and see what happens to them. Have you got any examples of Islamic monuments on government property in the US? I can't think of any. In fact, I can't think of any such monuments that are not explicitly Christian. However, since both Christianity and Islam have Abrahamaic origins, doesn't Islam also recognize the 10 commandments? According to wikipedia: "The Ten Commandments, also known as the Decalogue, are a set of biblical principles relating to ethics and worship, which play a fundamental role in Judaism, Islam and Christianity." So maybe that 10 commandments monument is really an Isamic monument? Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LyraM45 0 #75 July 3, 2013 Quote The religious should be allowed to practice their religion free from persecution Like this kind of persecution? http://www.atheist-community.org/images/cartoon/2N121218JHy191215Q9eQ.jpg Apologies for the spelling (and grammar).... I got a B.S, not a B.A. :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
