dmcoco84 5 #76 July 3, 2013 DanG As far as I know, but I'm not well versed in the punishment stuff. OK... so, WHO assigned this/these punishments? QuoteBut I love shellfish. Has nothing to do with the 10 Commandments. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #77 July 3, 2013 QuoteOK... so, WHO assigned this/these punishments? The answer to that depends on who you ask. A religious person would say God did. I would say that ancient clerics did. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmcoco84 5 #78 July 3, 2013 DanGQuoteOK... so, WHO assigned this/these punishments? The answer to that depends on who you ask. A religious person would say God did. I would say that ancient clerics did. A religious person would say God did. ---- I disagree. I would say that ancient clerics did. ---- Any specificity there? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmcoco84 5 #79 July 3, 2013 Anyone find better images than attached? I can't make out everything... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #80 July 3, 2013 turtlespeed***>The TC Monument was not put there for the purpose of being inflammatory. It was put there to be as "in your face" as possible to people who do not believe in the Ten Commandments. (That's why it's out in front.) What's good for the goose is good for the gander. I suppose exactly as much "in your face" as the Magna Carta and The Shield of Achilles, right? Magna Carta is not a monument. It is not imposing at all. Simply a legal document. I can only assume that you haven't seen an original. A stone monument, OTOH, is designed to be imposing and "in your face".... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #81 July 3, 2013 jakeeQuoteBut making remarks like your's is very disrespectful to whom ever they were spoken about. Poor Christians. Always so quick to see that they're the persecuted majority... but with apparently no inkling that decrying the actions and words of those that don't share their beliefs as being so evil they are worthy of eternal torment might come across as being just a tad disrespectful as well. And to actual people, not their imaginary friends. (And for Christ's sake learn where the apostrophes go. The Goddess of poor punctuation is dreaming up a special hell for you right now, so you'd better hurry!) The TCs are just an edited version of chapter 125 of the Egyptian Book Of The Dead, with a preface taken from the Hittites. There's also influence from the laws of Ur-Nammu. The Hebrews ripped them off, and the Christians and Moslems followed suit. These days they'd be sued for copyright infringement.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #82 July 3, 2013 kallend***QuoteBut making remarks like your's is very disrespectful to whom ever they were spoken about. Poor Christians. Always so quick to see that they're the persecuted majority... but with apparently no inkling that decrying the actions and words of those that don't share their beliefs as being so evil they are worthy of eternal torment might come across as being just a tad disrespectful as well. And to actual people, not their imaginary friends. (And for Christ's sake learn where the apostrophes go. The Goddess of poor punctuation is dreaming up a special hell for you right now, so you'd better hurry!) The TCs are just an edited version of chapter 125 of the Egyptian Book Of The Dead, with a preface taken from the Hittites. There's also influence from the laws of Ur-Nammu. The Hebrews ripped them off, and the Christians and Moslems followed suit. These days they'd be sued for copyright infringement. I really think that is a stretch. However, I see that the idea is not original with you.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,499 #83 July 3, 2013 turtlespeed ***http://www.news4jax.com/news/atheists-unveil-monument-by-ten-commandments-in-front-of-courthouse/-/475880/20775114/-/2xce5tz/-/index.html I wonder how long it will be before its vandalized in the name of god I want to see someone put one of those up next to an Islamic monument and see what happens to them. You'd like to see an Islamic monument on government property?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #84 July 3, 2013 kallend******>The TC Monument was not put there for the purpose of being inflammatory. It was put there to be as "in your face" as possible to people who do not believe in the Ten Commandments. (That's why it's out in front.) What's good for the goose is good for the gander. I suppose exactly as much "in your face" as the Magna Carta and The Shield of Achilles, right? Magna Carta is not a monument. It is not imposing at all. Simply a legal document. I can only assume that you haven't seen an original. A stone monument, OTOH, is designed to be imposing and "in your face". Where do those two things reside on the same work of art?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #85 July 3, 2013 >I suppose exactly as much "in your face" as the Magna Carta and The Shield of >Achilles, right? If both of those are placed in front of benches at eye level - yes, that's about as in your face as you can get. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #86 July 3, 2013 jakee ******http://www.news4jax.com/news/atheists-unveil-monument-by-ten-commandments-in-front-of-courthouse/-/475880/20775114/-/2xce5tz/-/index.html I wonder how long it will be before its vandalized in the name of god I want to see someone put one of those up next to an Islamic monument and see what happens to them. You'd like to see an Islamic monument on government property? Like to? Actually it doesn't bother me one way or the other. There are Christian and Masonic symbols and references all over the place. Why not all faiths? Even atheism is a religion, they just don't like to admit it. The country is made up of freedom of religion. Why not accept them all and have references in places of import? It's just sad that action would make so many problems for extremists that it would be unreasonable to expect that to come to pass. So - I redact - Yes. I would like to see an Islamic monument on government property, along side a Jewish and a Christian Monument and an Athiest and bhuddha, and Vishnu and Ganesha, and several others . . . but then there is the rub; If we let those religions put up monuments, then we have to let the Satanists, and the Santa Marian's and Voodoo and the list goes on and on. Most people would accept the former wholly, while they would be very uncomfortable with the latter.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,499 #87 July 3, 2013 QuoteLike to? Actually it doesn't bother me one way or the other. Great! So now all you need to do is lobby some government administrators somehwere to put an islamic monument outside a Courthouse or Town Hall or something and then you can find out if any atheists will dare lobby against it. QuoteThere are Christian and Masonic symbols and references all over the place. Why not all faiths? Even atheism is a religion, they just don't like to admit it. So just to be clear: you're saying that atheist monuments are the same as christian monuments and so (presumably) it would not be at all lame to compare the two?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #88 July 4, 2013 Quote A religious person would say God did. ---- I disagree. I would say that ancient clerics did. ---- Any specificity there? Ok, I've played along long enough. Make you point, please. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #89 July 4, 2013 billvon>I suppose exactly as much "in your face" as the Magna Carta and The Shield of >Achilles, right? If both of those are placed in front of benches at eye level - yes, that's about as in your face as you can get. What about on the doors of the Supreme Court? Oh, and they share the door with a depiction of the Ten Commandments.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #90 July 4, 2013 jakeeQuoteLike to? Actually it doesn't bother me one way or the other. Great! So now all you need to do is lobby some government administrators somehwere to put an islamic monument outside a Courthouse or Town Hall or something and then you can find out if any atheists will dare lobby against it. QuoteThere are Christian and Masonic symbols and references all over the place. Why not all faiths? Even atheism is a religion, they just don't like to admit it. So just to be clear: you're saying that atheist monuments are the same as christian monuments and so (presumably) it would not be at all lame to compare the two? Insofar as a monument is a monument, then yes. The fact that this particular one was put there in spite makes a difference. I didn't know there was a war on between athiests and every other religion in the world. Or is it just Christians? Maybe war is too harsh. But what else would you have "Another loss for the religious right"?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmcoco84 5 #91 July 4, 2013 Moses... God assigned no punishments; Moses did. Agree? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #92 July 4, 2013 QuoteMoses... God assigned no punishments; Moses did. Agree? Whatever. Again, please make a point. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,499 #93 July 4, 2013 QuoteThe fact that this particular one was put there in spite makes a difference. You only think that because it's an atheist monument. QuoteI didn't know there was a war on between athiests and every other religion in the world. Or is it just Christians? In the majority of the western world, Christians are the ones making the decisions. So if atheists push back a bit, it's natural that most of it will go in that direction. If it'd make you happy though, I can easily show you a bunch of well known, highly vocal atheists being very vocal against Islam.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisD 0 #94 July 4, 2013 This is just sad..... Is Nothing sacred? Mad magazine..... To willingly walk away from the joy and love which is to be had to anyone who asks...is one thing... But to stop this in the name of what???? I'm starting to feel that these atheists are more controlling than the issue they prorport to defend???? Quick: Name the Five Tenants of Islam? Name all ten commandments? Name the Mormon creed and pledge? Etc, etc,.... It's people like Jim Jones that fill themselves with hate and spread misery, Osama, etc,... At least some are trying to have some semblance of morality and decency in the world... Now we have some that want: Sit here and rest your ass on nothing! most likely it was paid for by a donation from Linsay Lohan and Justin Beiber.... the new Gods of the people??? I believe that hospitals should be built, and not for just those that can afford them! I believe that rich nations and explotation do not take the place of hard work. I believe for fresh dinking water for all of humanity. I believe in population control. I do not believe in nothing. Believe me.But what do I know, "I only have one tandem jump." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,499 #95 July 4, 2013 Once more in english?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skinnay 0 #96 July 4, 2013 jakeeOnce more in english? I think he's speaking in tongue or something.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8T9qpvXKVRs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #97 July 5, 2013 QuoteI believe that hospitals should be built, and not for just those that can afford them! Like this? St. Jude's Hospital for children. Nope, not even close to Atheist. I wonder how many Atheist Hospitals are out there with a similar Mission? QuoteMission The mission of St. Jude Children’s Research Hospital is to advance cures, and means of prevention, for pediatric catastrophic diseases through research and treatment. Consistent with the vision of our founder Danny Thomas, no child is denied treatment based on race, religion or a family's ability to pay.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #98 July 5, 2013 I am trying to think of when an organized atheist group did anything other than protest something Christian.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #99 July 5, 2013 RonD1120I am trying to think of when an organized atheist group did anything other than protest something Christian. Most atheists feel no need to organize into a group. I have a co-worker who is really big into organized stuff. He goes to church and religous events more often than most Christians I know, specifically to, umm, reverse-evangalize or something (I don't remember what he calls it) and frequently attends speeches by renowned atheists and meetings of local atheists. He's the exception, not the rule, and I don't condone his proselytizing at religous events. As for me, my wife, my previous partners, and my atheist friends, we just don't care what gets you folks through the night. We prefer you don't try to force it on others and usually stop listening to you when you bring it up to us. I've considered for several years starting a charity dedicated to secular assistance with minimal overhead (the details of which would be published for easy access). I have a name in mind and general ideas for the articles of incorporation and the bylaws, but for the last 12 years I've always had either two jobs or one job + school, which doesn't leave enough free time to do it properly. So instead, I donate money and time to other charities that demonstrate the same values. I evaluate them on the basis of financial performance (what percent of proceeds is spent on organizational expenses) and what fraction of energy is expended promoting a religion. My cutoffs are 10% for overhead (5% preferred) and 1% for proselytizing (0% preferred). Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #100 July 5, 2013 turtlespeed Even atheism is a religion, they just don't like to admit it. No it's not. re·li·gion noun Definition of RELIGION 1 a : the state of a religious b (1) : the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2) : commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance 2 a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices 3 archaic : scrupulous conformity : CONSCIENTIOUSNESS 4 a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith athe·ism noun \ˈā-thē-ˌi-zəm\ Definition of ATHEISM 1 archaic : UNGODLINESS, WICKEDNESS 2 a : a disbelief in the existence of deity b : the doctrine that there is no deity doc·trine noun \ˈdäk-trən\ Definition of DOCTRINE 1 archaic : TEACHING, INSTRUCTION 2 a : something that is taught b : a principle or position or the body of principles in a branch of knowledge or system of belief : DOGMA c : a principle of law established through past decisions d : a statement of fundamental government policy especially in international relations e : a military principle or set of strategiesStupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
