ibx 2 #51 July 30, 2013 QuoteBut what about the 99% who already agree? http://www.uta.edu/news/releases/2013/07/Schug-water-well-contaminants-study.php Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmcoco84 5 #52 July 30, 2013 Interesting. However, per their own statements, this study is not addressing the makeup of fracking fluids. QuoteMany of these heavy metals occur naturally at low levels in groundwater, but disturbances from natural gas extraction activities could cause them to occur at elevated levels. ...due to a variety of factors including: industrial accidents such as faulty gas well casings; mechanical vibrations from natural gas drilling activity disturbing particles in neglected water well equipment; or the lowering of water tables through drought or the removal of water used for the hydraulic fracturing process. Any of these scenarios could release dangerous compounds into shallow groundwater. Quotebut it does provide a powerful argument for continued research Sounds good to me; at no point have I been against research. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmcoco84 5 #53 July 30, 2013 dmcoco84 Quote I would like to see people like the OP tell these poor folks suffering from cancer that "fracking is perfectly safe -- full stop." Too Funny I am continually astounded by the deficiency of reading comprehension skills displayed on this forum. I've got some shit to do... no time at the moment for the responses I desire to make, but I will in a day or two. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,070 #54 July 30, 2013 >But what about the 99% who already agree? Doesn't matter. The science isn't settled. Which means we have absolutely no idea if it's safe or not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #55 July 30, 2013 billvon >But what about the 99% who already agree? Doesn't matter. The science isn't settled. Which means we have absolutely no idea if it's safe or not. Funny how the worm turns huh "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #56 July 30, 2013 One has to wonder...... How much anti-fracking research is coming from here? and yes, I do mean research that is pre-disposed to a results http://news.sky.com/story/1121610/saudi-prince-fracking-is-threat-to-kingdom I dont know of any but, it would not be surprising"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #57 July 30, 2013 My guess is a lot less than people who are concerned with the one thing life can't exist without -- water. Generally speaking, once a town is able to light its water supply on fire, they don't give a flying fuck about the business or political aspects.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #58 July 30, 2013 quadeMy guess is a lot less than people who are concerned with the one thing life can't exist without -- water. Generally speaking, once a town is able to light its water supply on fire, they don't give a flying fuck about the business or political aspects. So you bought into that lie huh Sad"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #59 July 30, 2013 rushmc***My guess is a lot less than people who are concerned with the one thing life can't exist without -- water. Generally speaking, once a town is able to light its water supply on fire, they don't give a flying fuck about the business or political aspects. So you bought into that lie huh If you're saying that there are not water supplies so polluted by fracking they can be lit of fire, then I would like you to prove that to me.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #60 July 30, 2013 Just in case you missed it http://news.heartland.org/newspaper-article/2011/08/01/gasland-producer-misled-viewers-lighted-tap-water BTW I can take to you a friend of mine who can do the same with his water South West of Jefferson, IA There is a 500 gal open top tank in his basement with ventalation where the water sits before use to let the methane evaporate"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #61 July 30, 2013 From a more reliable source. http://www.propublica.org/article/scientific-study-links-flammable-drinking-water-to-frackingquade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #62 July 30, 2013 quadeFrom a more reliable source. http://www.propublica.org/article/scientific-study-links-flammable-drinking-water-to-fracking Used in the gasland movie Been shown as a lie because the water burned before any fracking was done Again I can show you the same And as far as I know, fracking was not happening in Iowa in the 80's"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmcoco84 5 #63 July 30, 2013 quade******My guess is a lot less than people who are concerned with the one thing life can't exist without -- water. Generally speaking, once a town is able to light its water supply on fire, they don't give a flying fuck about the business or political aspects. So you bought into that lie huh If you're saying that there are not water supplies so polluted by fracking they can be lit of fire, then I would like you to prove that to me. Pathetic. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #64 July 30, 2013 quadeFrom a more reliable source. http://www.propublica.org/article/scientific-study-links-flammable-drinking-water-to-fracking He won't believe it because he simply does not want to. Give it up. Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #65 July 30, 2013 masterblaster72***From a more reliable source. http://www.propublica.org/article/scientific-study-links-flammable-drinking-water-to-fracking He won't believe it because he simply does not want to. Give it up. I dont beleive lies But since it is your religion, you have too"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmcoco84 5 #66 July 30, 2013 quadeFrom a more reliable source. http://www.propublica.org/article/scientific-study-links-flammable-drinking-water-to-fracking QuoteFor the first time, a scientific study has linked natural gas drilling and hydraulic fracturing with a pattern of drinking water contamination so severe that some faucets can be lit on fire. So... is this statement affirming that all the other "examples", are lies? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #67 July 30, 2013 dmcoco84***From a more reliable source. http://www.propublica.org/article/scientific-study-links-flammable-drinking-water-to-fracking QuoteFor the first time, a scientific study has linked natural gas drilling and hydraulic fracturing with a pattern of drinking water contamination so severe that some faucets can be lit on fire. So... is this statement affirming that all the other "examples", are lies? That "study" was done and published in 09. The producer (a Roger More wanna be) used that study and went to the homes of the people and got footage of the water on fire The movie maker did not tell the home owners (who support the practice there for the most part) what he was doing He did not report in this "movie" that the water burned for years before the drilling came to the area But the low information sheep dont care Fosil fuel is the devil of their religion"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #68 July 30, 2013 masterblaster72***From a more reliable source. http://www.propublica.org/article/scientific-study-links-flammable-drinking-water-to-fracking He won't believe it because he simply does not want to. Give it up. Oh and I completely understand. Sometimes it's difficult to admit that the industry a person belongs to profits on the ill heath of others and the destruction of the planet. The lie he tells himself daily is better than him facing the truth. Still . . . hard to deny the actual science. He does his best though.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #69 July 30, 2013 quade ******From a more reliable source. http://www.propublica.org/article/scientific-study-links-flammable-drinking-water-to-fracking He won't believe it because he simply does not want to. Give it up. Oh and I completely understand. Sometimes it's difficult to admit that the industry a person belongs to profits on the ill heath of others and the destruction of the planet. The lie he tells himself daily is better than him facing the truth. Still . . . hard to deny the actual science. He does his best though. all science is good science if an anti fosil fuel liberal radical wants to believe it Att boy"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #70 July 30, 2013 BTW go look up how this "study" was done and how it lead to the conclusions they came to Or, you might not want to if you dont like being embarased "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #71 July 30, 2013 Yes, I'm an "anti fosil fuel liberal radical" because I don't want to destroy the planet and cause other people to suffer who-knows-what sort of illnesses due to pollution. Such a "radical" idea.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #72 July 30, 2013 quadeYes, I'm an "fosil fuel liberal radical" because I don't want to destroy the planet and cause other people to suffer who-knows-what sort of illnesses due to pollution. Such a "radical" idea. Non-starter I dont want to do any of those things either But your inference that using fosil fuels does this, drives your need to belive that fracking causes tap water to burn. THIS I understand"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #73 July 30, 2013 Quote...drives your need to belive that fracking causes tap water to burn. What drives your inability to believe that there may be any downsides whatsoever to fossil fuels? - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,070 #74 July 30, 2013 >I dont want to do any of those things either Then we have to wait to frack until the science is settled! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #75 July 30, 2013 QuoteWhat drives your inability to believe that there may be any downsides whatsoever to fossil fuels? Because your statement is untrue any energy usage needs to be responcible"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites